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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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#28101
DoomsdayDevice

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@MB:

Ok, yeah, that's why I was wondering.

Sounds good to me.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 01 octobre 2012 - 11:11 .


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Well it would be good for a Citadel dlc wise on MP. Specters the finest warrios the galaxy has ever known.

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masster blaster wrote...

Well it would be good for a Citadel dlc wise on MP. Specters the finest warrios the galaxy has ever known.


Thats why we need them in the MP. Plus we already got N7 characters, complete the cycle lol

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Next we need STG, and Turian blackwatch. Then it would be complete.

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Home run MF wrote...

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Home run MF wrote...

The major player with something to gain are the Reapers, they know what the krogan are capable of, that is why they wanted an army of them in ME1. 
If the Dalatrass wanted the females dead she could've done that at any moment, the females were in salarian custody and in bad shape so an "accidental" death wouldn't be suspicious.


But the females were dying...slowly...for all we know Eve would have died as well if Shep and crew hadn't gotten her out of there...

And it its not even the last time that the Dalatross tries to undermine the cure...asking you to ignore the sabotage and "deal" with Mordin...


That is exactly what I am saying, if she wanted the females dead why call Cerberus? I think the Dalatrass is not stupid enough to trust an anti-alien splinter group to access a secret facility to sabotage a cure while the galaxy is at war. The transmission comes within the base minutes before Shepard arrives? I think she might have other ways of alerting Cerberus trough confidential channels. 
To me it sounds as if an indoctrinated agent learnt about it and sent a message out.

Also Mordin has something to say about it "Females kept secret. Possibly a mole in STG. Could be indoctrinated."


Ahhh...but that's the catch.  The female are dying even though they have the former lead scientist of both the genophage and the genophage retrofit working on the problem (Mordin)?  And in most of my games Mordin is armed with Maelon's data...but he can only keep Eve alive before Shep et al get there?  I think that Linron was using her connections w/in the STG to slowly "let the Krogan female die" (read kill here basically).  Also it is a little convenient that Mordin slips the Krogan the information before the last female dies.  Her plan was going perfectly until Shep shows up with the intent of taking the last female off planet - where she would be safe.  So she has to act rashly...and contacts Cerberus.

We are given some in game hints that the Salarians know that a cure is possible - we are even outright told that they expected a cure to be found and that the only effiecient way to implement it would be through the shroud, which they sabotage.  We know that the current person in the position of power (Linron) believes that uplifting the Krogan was a mistake - a mistake that she believes that they will do again to fight the Reapers.  And that she tries to blatantly blackmail Shep into letting that aforementioned sabotage occur (even if it means killing Mordin).


I am telling you that Linron fits as the mole...and it provides a perfectly legitmate reason as to why the mole is never brought up again.  They were not concerned with stopping the overall war effort - just stopping the cure to the genophage.

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Yes, she fits the mole, but what if glyph gave Cerberus the slip. Think about it how long has Glyph been around? And was it he who told Liara about The Mars arcives, and wanted to install his systems in the Normandy. Glyph could have hacked STG's systems and gave Cerberus the slip. Glypg could have told TIM about Shepard, and how he is doind, and what he, or she has done.

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masster blaster wrote...

Next we need STG, and Turian blackwatch. Then it would be complete.


have you seen my MP thread about the Spectres?

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Sup guys? What have I missed in the last 6 pages? (Too lazy to read...)

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Also think about this. Legion is about 365 years old, so what does that mean about Glyph. I mean I say Legion is 365 years old because well we know the Morning war was about 300 years ago, and we don't know when Legion was created, so I say He is about 365 years old.

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I am afride not Keith.

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TSA_383 wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Been powerleveling/gearing to 90 in World of Warcraft *ashamed* since we want to get some realm first kills. So did i miss anything huge the last couple of days?

The outside world? 
Social occasions?
The big patch bioware's putting out thursday to "prepare for future...stuff"?

Mmh, you trolling me TSA? If so, laugh at me for saying... what patch? ;)

https://twitter.com/...853374960168960


Ahhh!!! I was right that they were going to put in DLC that set up other DLC. +100 10 points to TJ!!!

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 01 octobre 2012 - 11:46 .


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masster blaster wrote...

Also think about this. Legion is about 365 years old, so what does that mean about Glyph. I mean I say Legion is 365 years old because well we know the Morning war was about 300 years ago, and we don't know when Legion was created, so I say He is about 365 years old.


I still say that Geth in Consensus mission was Legion

If you have time check the sig. lol

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

"Just finished ME3. I didn't know my squadmates could teleport...strange, innit?@JessicaMerizan

Jessica Merizan: @TomMarcotte1 not teleporting - can't explain now though to keep my feed spoiler free :)"

Am I the only one wondering what she meant? I mean, that was long before EC. Besides IT, what could it be?

I should go.


*backhand*  First rule of IT!  We do not discuss the train wreck known as Merizan's twitter!

401 Kill wrote...

ajk_Jack wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

EDI in the synthesis ending:

"To reach a level of existence I cannot even imagine."

Sovereign:

"There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own, you cannot even imagine it."


Interesting. Never noticed that before. :lol:

Whoever likes synthesis needs to read that.


Control also has some lines eerily reminscent of Sovereign's speech.

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Hey Rifneno, have you heard that the knew patch will prevent players from grabbing Geth pyros from cover? Also about the Dalatrass being the mole, why wouldn't she just tell the STG to eliminate Eve. Why would she need contact Cerberus?(Not that I'm suggesting the Dalatrass is not the mole, the evidence points to her being the mole).

Modifié par 401 Kill, 02 octobre 2012 - 12:04 .


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401 Kill wrote...

Hey Rifneno, have you heard that the knew patch will prevent players from grabbing Geth pyros from cover? Also about the Dalatrass being the mole, why wouldn't she just tell the STG to eliminate Eve. Why would she need contact Cerberus?


because there's a rift between STG and their government

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AresKeith wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Hey Rifneno, have you heard that the knew patch will prevent players from grabbing Geth pyros from cover? Also about the Dalatrass being the mole, why wouldn't she just tell the STG to eliminate Eve. Why would she need contact Cerberus?


because there's a rift between STG and their government

Oh, excellent point! I had forgotten about that.

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401 Kill wrote...

Hey Rifneno, have you heard that the knew patch will prevent players from grabbing Geth pyros from cover? Also about the Dalatrass being the mole, why wouldn't she just tell the STG to eliminate Eve. Why would she need contact Cerberus?


Making pyros ungrabbable is a great solution.  Looking forward to not needing to spend 20 minutes looking for a legit gold lobby.

I don't know.  Perhaps that's out of her official realm of power.  Surely if it is then her agents couldn't simply shoot Eve because they'd get caught themselves.

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Besides nobody fu*** with Mordin, and Kirria. They would have stoped the assassions that were going to kill EVA.

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Rifneno wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Hey Rifneno, have you heard that the knew patch will prevent players from grabbing Geth pyros from cover? Also about the Dalatrass being the mole, why wouldn't she just tell the STG to eliminate Eve. Why would she need contact Cerberus?


Making pyros ungrabbable is a great solution.  Looking forward to not needing to spend 20 minutes looking for a legit gold lobby.

I don't know.  Perhaps that's out of her official realm of power.  Surely if it is then her agents couldn't simply shoot Eve because they'd get caught themselves.


WAT?!?! I would of been certain you played on platinum all the time. :o

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D.Sharrah wrote...

Ahhh...but that's the catch.  The female are dying even though they have the former lead scientist of both the genophage and the genophage retrofit working on the problem (Mordin)?  And in most of my games Mordin is armed with Maelon's data...but he can only keep Eve alive before Shep et al get there?  I think that Linron was using her connections w/in the STG to slowly "let the Krogan female die" (read kill here basically).  Also it is a little convenient that Mordin slips the Krogan the information before the last female dies.  Her plan was going perfectly until Shep shows up with the intent of taking the last female off planet - where she would be safe.  So she has to act rashly...and contacts Cerberus.

We are given some in game hints that the Salarians know that a cure is possible - we are even outright told that they expected a cure to be found and that the only effiecient way to implement it would be through the shroud, which they sabotage.  We know that the current person in the position of power (Linron) believes that uplifting the Krogan was a mistake - a mistake that she believes that they will do again to fight the Reapers.  And that she tries to blatantly blackmail Shep into letting that aforementioned sabotage occur (even if it means killing Mordin).


I am telling you that Linron fits as the mole...and it provides a perfectly legitmate reason as to why the mole is never brought up again.  They were not concerned with stopping the overall war effort - just stopping the cure to the genophage.

The females were dying bacause of Maelon's experiments, Bakara tells you this, I don't see how Mordin could heal someone if they are that injured. Also if you are suggesting Mordin is involved with the plot why would he sacrifice himself latter?
And that still does not explain the outbound transmission from the base.
Just call Cerberus to attack a super secret research facility let them kill everyone and destroy everything just to make sure a krogan female dies when I can just slip something untraceable in her medication?
Sorry but I don't see it. :unsure:

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Slow enough today? It was way faster yesterday...

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Slow enough today? It was way faster yesterday...

Hopefully after this patch, it will include some DLC scripts, and possibly a MP DLC, and finally Omega coming out. This gonna be a great month for new content! (which means more support of the IT).

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I would also like to know why they removed this from the game:

Liara: Cerberus just don’t quit do they?

Shepard: They’re indoctrinated, they are capable of anything.

This played just before you met Kirrahe during the demo.

Modifié par Home run MF, 02 octobre 2012 - 12:36 .


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Guys. I haven't been on the forums for a while now. I'm wondering...

Has there been any big evidence to support this theory since Leviathan was released?

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JasonSic wrote...

Guys. I haven't been on the forums for a while now. I'm wondering...

Has there been any big evidence to support this theory since Leviathan was released?


The fact the scene where you are w/ Leviathan in your mind and how similar it is to the ending. Pretty big evidence there...