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[hiraeth]

I just watched all three IT documentaries- they inspired me to take a closer look at the Catalyst's dialogue, which inspired me to try to translate everything he was saying:

 my take on the Catalyst dialogue

Modifié par MassEffectFShep, 02 octobre 2012 - 04:23 .

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Has that new IT documentary on youtube come out yet?
Was it supost to come out this week or next? I can't remember.

[masster blaster]

Not bad MEFS. Also have you watch the other videos yet?

[BansheeOwnage]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

I just watched all three IT documentaries- they inspired me to take a closer look at the Catalyst's dialogue, which inspired me to try to translate everything he was saying:

 my take on the Catalyst dialogue

I'm not even close to finishing reading, but this is hilarious!
What are you?
A thing.

It's funny because that's pretty much the extend of it. The "Catalyst" employs sophistry as a technique to fool you into picking the wrong decisions. Evidently, it worked on many players.

Don't trust the leader of the REAPERS!

[masster blaster]

OneWith he pushed it back to Oct 4th.

[masster blaster]

Banshee well half of the players still pick Destroy no matter what.

[hiraeth]

what other videos? i've seen some by prellz (sp?)- the gun video and him revealing coats in the EC citadel scene. any other recommendations?

[masster blaster]

The ones on the front page. Hellish,Freddys,julians.

[masster blaster]

byne wrote...

Original Thread

Mark II Thread

Videos:

Shepard's Indoctrination by Acayvos

The Indoctrination Theory - A Documentary by Clevernoob

The Indoctrination Theory - A Documentary Part 2 by Clevernoob

The Indoctrination Theory-A Documentary | Extended Cut by Clevernoob

Indoctrination Theory- ME3 Extended Cut DLC Analysis part 1 by FreddyCast

Indoctrination Theory- ME3 Extended Cut DLC Analysis part 2 by FreddyCast

Choose Wisely - Mass Effect 3 Indoctrination Theory by HellishFiend

The Sounds of Possession - Mass Effect 3 by HellishFiend

Choose Wisely - Episode 1 (ME3 Indoctrination Theory) by HellishFiend and TurboJ

Reading Material:

Parabolee's Blog about Indoctrination Theory.

TheoryCraftingHub's Indoctrination Theory Thread

Google Doc about why the endings as the stand make no sense

Other:

Indoctrination Theorists group

[BansheeOwnage]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

what other videos? i've seen some by prellz (sp?)- the gun video and him revealing coats in the EC citadel scene. any other recommendations?

Mine! The super-secret ending! It has lots of colours!

[hiraeth]

awesome! i'll check these out. i really enjoyed the 3 documentaries.

[BleedingUranium]

Shepard's Indoctrination by Acayvos

This one.

[hiraeth]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MassEffectFShep wrote...

what other videos? i've seen some by prellz (sp?)- the gun video and him revealing coats in the EC citadel scene. any other recommendations?

Mine! The super-secret ending! It has lots of colours!

i could get behind this one...very nice 

[masster blaster]

Oh Byne did you ever added Doomsdays video on the reaper horns on the front page. If you haven't then can you do it please.

[BansheeOwnage]

Catalyst: Well yeah, if you combine all organic and synthetic life then you will essentially "ascend" everyone for us. It's the best choice, I swear. OK, now choose.

LOL It's like this video!

[masster blaster]

Okay I needed to go to bed. Thanks everyone for wishing me a happybirthday. See you maybe tommorow, or in three weeks. For in Three weeks I will have something to show you all.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MassEffectFShep wrote...

what other videos? i've seen some by prellz (sp?)- the gun video and him revealing coats in the EC citadel scene. any other recommendations?

Mine! The super-secret ending! It has lots of colours!

Space Magic is clearly the superior ending.

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

Okay I needed to go to bed. Thanks everyone for wishing me a happybirthday. See you maybe tommorow, or in three weeks. For in Three weeks I will have something to show you all.

Wait! Its your Birthday?! HAPPY BIRTHDAY MASSTER!

[BansheeOwnage]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MassEffectFShep wrote...

what other videos? i've seen some by prellz (sp?)- the gun video and him revealing coats in the EC citadel scene. any other recommendations?

Mine! The super-secret ending! It has lots of colours!

i could get behind this one...very nice 

Thanks. Just finished reading your translation. It really shows how stupid the kid is, and how he's trying to use sophistry to trick you. Great job! It was pitifully funny to read too. Stupid "catalyst".

[masster blaster]

Thanks Byne. Night.

[spotlessvoid]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay I needed to go to bed. Thanks everyone for wishing me a happybirthday. See you maybe tommorow, or in three weeks. For in Three weeks I will have something to show you all.

Wait! Its your Birthday?! HAPPY BIRTHDAY MASSTER!

MB is now officially old enough to drive a Mako

[masster blaster]

Spot been driving makos since I was in middle school. Okay I have to really go to bed now. Dam you cookie cake. It's giving me suger rush express.

[plfranke]

Would anyone like to hear my theory on why the Rannoch Reaper conversation is a hallucination done opposite how the Catalyst hallucination is?

[hiraeth]

plfranke wrote...

Would anyone like to hear my theory on why the Rannoch Reaper conversation is a hallucination done opposite how the Catalyst hallucination is?

yes

[plfranke]

So I looked inside and out the Rannoch Reaper conversation and I found a lot of interesting things. I'll start with something that I haven't figured out yet, but I know holds some great significance. In every conversation option, tali walks in at the exact moment when the Reaper says "We are your salvation" The camera makes it a point to show Shepard turning and facing towards her and then zooms in on her walking into the scene. It adds nothing and took time to make, it has to symbolize something in the conversation.

Second, the conversations are in some ways the exact opposite of how it goes with the Catalyst. If you pick the renegade option, the Reaper says, "You have no choice" where the catalyst tells you, "You have choice" and this is regardless of EMS.

There is only one conversation option where the Reaper totally owns you and you have no chance for a rebuttal. This is the inquiry option which foreshadows picking synthesis. The Reaper basically tells you there can be no peace and to bring it on. The really interesting thing is with the paragon and renegade options though. Paragon foreshadows picking destroy through dialogue and renegade foreshadows control through dialogue. However, there's only one choice that allows you to truly kill the Reaper and that's renegade. This is the part that made me put 2 and 2 together that this is a hallucination. Shepard never directly says that organics will control the Reapers, but that the organics are takng control. He goes on to kill the Reaper immediately after saying this if you take the renegade option. Not something a Shepard after control would do. It's further backed up by Shepard, in the very next mission (Thessia) being completely against the idea of control no matter what dialogue options the player takes with the Illusive Man.

I have two theories, but both have the same general purpose for the scene. Either it is an indoctrination attempt foreshadowing what is to come later in the game and let the player know that only through destroy can the battle be won. Or it is actually happening but still made so that the player will know destroy is the only option. The Reaper tells you that organics can never be in control and there can never be peace. This same "intelligence" would then have you believe only a few hours later that not only can there be peace, but you have 3 choices of how to accomplish this. Not buying it.