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[BleedingUranium]

plfranke wrote...

So I looked inside and out the Rannoch Reaper conversation and I found a lot of interesting things. I'll start with something that I haven't figured out yet, but I know holds some great significance. In every conversation option, tali walks in at the exact moment when the Reaper says "We are your salvation" The camera makes it a point to show Shepard turning and facing towards her and then zooms in on her walking into the scene. It adds nothing and took time to make, it has to symbolize something in the conversation.

Second, the conversations are in some ways the exact opposite of how it goes with the Catalyst. If you pick the renegade option, the Reaper says, "You have no choice" where the catalyst tells you, "You have choice" and this is regardless of EMS.

There is only one conversation option where the Reaper totally owns you and you have no chance for a rebuttal. This is the inquiry option which foreshadows picking synthesis. The Reaper basically tells you there can be no peace and to bring it on. The really interesting thing is with the paragon and renegade options though. Paragon foreshadows picking destroy through dialogue and renegade foreshadows control through dialogue. However, there's only one choice that allows you to truly kill the Reaper and that's renegade. This is the part that made me put 2 and 2 together that this is a hallucination. Shepard never directly says that organics will control the Reapers, but that the organics are takng control. He goes on to kill the Reaper immediately after saying this if you take the renegade option. Not something a Shepard after control would do. It's further backed up by Shepard, in the very next mission (Thessia) being completely against the idea of control no matter what dialogue options the player takes with the Illusive Man.

I have two theories, but both have the same general purpose for the scene. Either it is an indoctrination attempt foreshadowing what is to come later in the game and let the player know that only through destroy can the battle be won. Or it is actually happening but still made so that the player will know destroy is the only option. The Reaper tells you that organics can never be in control and there can never be peace. This same "intelligence" would then have you believe only a few hours later that not only can there be peace, but you have 3 choices of how to accomplish this. Not buying it.

Excellent symbolism with the dialogue wheel!

On a different note, something big we all missed in the Earth DLC trailer! More from Banshee in an hour!

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 02 octobre 2012 - 05:31 .

[spotlessvoid]

That's interesting plfranke. And in such close proximity to a Reaper it wouldn't be exactly crazy if all or part of what happens isn't actually happening

[plfranke]

Something else that's interesting is the camera zooms out when the Reaper goes into his big monologue and it shows Shepard standing alone on the edge of a narrow cliff. Tali walks into the scene and Shepard peers off to his left to look at her, but... where is she standing? Then the camera shifts again to show Shepard alone on the cliff. If Shepard destroys the Reaper in the renegade option the screen starts shaking like it does whenever he talks, but if Shepard takes the paragon or inquiry option the screen doesn't shake when the Reaper shuts off.

[BleedingUranium]

On a side note, I love how when Shep tells the Reaper the people it was made from are all dead, it basically kills itself. It reminds me of Saren and TIM doing that when they realise the wrong they've done.

[OneWithTheAssassins]

BleedingUranium wrote...

On a side note, I love how when Shep tells the Reaper the people it was made from are all dead, it basically kills itself. It reminds me of Saren and TIM doing that when they realise the wrong they've done.

I've never seen that option before, is this added in with Leviathan?

[SwiftSlash]

Happy Birthday MB! I lurk alot, but can still wish a fellow ITer a happy B-day!

[BleedingUranium]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

On a side note, I love how when Shep tells the Reaper the people it was made from are all dead, it basically kills itself. It reminds me of Saren and TIM doing that when they realise the wrong they've done.

I've never seen that option before, is this added in with Leviathan?

That's my interpretation of the Paragon option, though it might just be me.

Also, does anyone know how to add pictures (via Photobucket) so they actually appear as pictures here, not links?

Never mind, I figured it out

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 02 octobre 2012 - 06:21 .

[BleedingUranium]

Here's a trailer for the post that I wrote about the thing that Banshee found that will be posted in about 12 hours, when he's having lunch.

[RavenEyry]

I can see one 'M-one' console

[DoomsdayDevice]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

You have not really defeated the enemy if you adopt their methods. - Samara

Sometimes the most brutal path is the only honest one. - Samara

Where exactly does she say these lines? I'm curious.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 02 octobre 2012 - 09:54 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

I still think There is Only One Choice should be added to the OP.

[Restrider]

On a related topic:
Has anyone anything to say to the IT FAQ? I'd really like to sort through the arguments presented and narrow them down to leave only the really important stuff. Maybe some kind of ITwiki should be created.

[RavenEyry]

Arian suggested a wiki ages ago and I still think it's a good idea. We just need moderators to screen everyone signing up to avoid haters and trolls.

[Rifneno]

plfranke wrote...

So I looked inside and out the Rannoch Reaper conversation and I found a lot of interesting things. I'll start with something that I haven't figured out yet, but I know holds some great significance. In every conversation option, tali walks in at the exact moment when the Reaper says "We are your salvation" The camera makes it a point to show Shepard turning and facing towards her and then zooms in on her walking into the scene. It adds nothing and took time to make, it has to symbolize something in the conversation.

Second, the conversations are in some ways the exact opposite of how it goes with the Catalyst. If you pick the renegade option, the Reaper says, "You have no choice" where the catalyst tells you, "You have choice" and this is regardless of EMS.

There is only one conversation option where the Reaper totally owns you and you have no chance for a rebuttal. This is the inquiry option which foreshadows picking synthesis. The Reaper basically tells you there can be no peace and to bring it on. The really interesting thing is with the paragon and renegade options though. Paragon foreshadows picking destroy through dialogue and renegade foreshadows control through dialogue. However, there's only one choice that allows you to truly kill the Reaper and that's renegade. This is the part that made me put 2 and 2 together that this is a hallucination. Shepard never directly says that organics will control the Reapers, but that the organics are takng control. He goes on to kill the Reaper immediately after saying this if you take the renegade option. Not something a Shepard after control would do. It's further backed up by Shepard, in the very next mission (Thessia) being completely against the idea of control no matter what dialogue options the player takes with the Illusive Man.

I have two theories, but both have the same general purpose for the scene. Either it is an indoctrination attempt foreshadowing what is to come later in the game and let the player know that only through destroy can the battle be won. Or it is actually happening but still made so that the player will know destroy is the only option. The Reaper tells you that organics can never be in control and there can never be peace. This same "intelligence" would then have you believe only a few hours later that not only can there be peace, but you have 3 choices of how to accomplish this. Not buying it.

Excellent observations.  I'd noticed some oddities with that conversation too, but I didn't notice those.  What I noticed was the wierd... vibrations, I guess when the Reaper speaks.  Some people write this off as it being a loud noise.  An explanation I find absurd considering Shepard is around gunfire and explosions approx. 37 hours a day.

But what really gets me about that conversation is this: it's all about the ability of organics and synthetics to co-exist.  Two people are standing nearby.  Not just your random crewmates, but Tali and Legion (or their respective "you screwed up in ME2" replacements).  Tali and Legion didn't interject in this chat?  This topic is not of interest to them?  Lulz.  Infinite out of 10 on the bull**** scale.

[ElSuperGecko]

Oh no. Just had a brainwave.

Synthesis = the fusion of organic and synthetic life.

Synthesis = the fusion of biological life with hardware/software.

Synthesis = BIO-WARE.

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 02 octobre 2012 - 10:49 .

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

plfranke wrote...

So I looked inside and out the Rannoch Reaper conversation and I found a lot of interesting things. I'll start with something that I haven't figured out yet, but I know holds some great significance. In every conversation option, tali walks in at the exact moment when the Reaper says "We are your salvation" The camera makes it a point to show Shepard turning and facing towards her and then zooms in on her walking into the scene. It adds nothing and took time to make, it has to symbolize something in the conversation.

Second, the conversations are in some ways the exact opposite of how it goes with the Catalyst. If you pick the renegade option, the Reaper says, "You have no choice" where the catalyst tells you, "You have choice" and this is regardless of EMS.

There is only one conversation option where the Reaper totally owns you and you have no chance for a rebuttal. This is the inquiry option which foreshadows picking synthesis. The Reaper basically tells you there can be no peace and to bring it on. The really interesting thing is with the paragon and renegade options though. Paragon foreshadows picking destroy through dialogue and renegade foreshadows control through dialogue. However, there's only one choice that allows you to truly kill the Reaper and that's renegade. This is the part that made me put 2 and 2 together that this is a hallucination. Shepard never directly says that organics will control the Reapers, but that the organics are takng control. He goes on to kill the Reaper immediately after saying this if you take the renegade option. Not something a Shepard after control would do. It's further backed up by Shepard, in the very next mission (Thessia) being completely against the idea of control no matter what dialogue options the player takes with the Illusive Man.

I have two theories, but both have the same general purpose for the scene. Either it is an indoctrination attempt foreshadowing what is to come later in the game and let the player know that only through destroy can the battle be won. Or it is actually happening but still made so that the player will know destroy is the only option. The Reaper tells you that organics can never be in control and there can never be peace. This same "intelligence" would then have you believe only a few hours later that not only can there be peace, but you have 3 choices of how to accomplish this. Not buying it.

Excellent observations.  I'd noticed some oddities with that conversation too, but I didn't notice those.  What I noticed was the wierd... vibrations, I guess when the Reaper speaks.  Some people write this off as it being a loud noise.  An explanation I find absurd considering Shepard is around gunfire and explosions approx. 37 hours a day.

But what really gets me about that conversation is this: it's all about the ability of organics and synthetics to co-exist.  Two people are standing nearby.  Not just your random crewmates, but Tali and Legion (or their respective "you screwed up in ME2" replacements).  Tali and Legion didn't interject in this chat?  This topic is not of interest to them?  Lulz.  Infinite out of 10 on the bull**** scale.

This is still my favourite out of these videos, because it's exactly the same

[RavenEyry]

Rifneno wrote...

Excellent observations.  I'd noticed some oddities with that conversation too, but I didn't notice those.  What I noticed was the wierd... vibrations, I guess when the Reaper speaks.  Some people write this off as it being a loud noise.  An explanation I find absurd considering Shepard is around gunfire and explosions approx. 37 hours a day.

But what really gets me about that conversation is this: it's all about the ability of organics and synthetics to co-exist.  Two people are standing nearby.  Not just your random crewmates, but Tali and Legion (or their respective "you screwed up in ME2" replacements).  Tali and Legion didn't interject in this chat?  This topic is not of interest to them?  Lulz.  Infinite out of 10 on the bull**** scale.

The vibrations and lack of companion reaction heavily implies to me that it's speaking in Sheps head and not out loud, even the first time round.

@Gecko: Hilarious.

[BleedingUranium]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Oh no. Just had a brainwave.

Synthesis = the fusion of organic and synthetic life.

Synthesis = the fusion of biological life with hardware/software.

Synthesis = BIO-WARE.

What does this meeeeaaaan?

[Restrider]

Rifneno wrote...
Excellent observations.  I'd noticed some oddities with that conversation too, but I didn't notice those.  What I noticed was the wierd... vibrations, I guess when the Reaper speaks.  Some people write this off as it being a loud noise.  An explanation I find absurd considering Shepard is around gunfire and explosions approx. 37 hours a day.

But what really gets me about that conversation is this: it's all about the ability of organics and synthetics to co-exist.  Two people are standing nearby.  Not just your random crewmates, but Tali and Legion (or their respective "you screwed up in ME2" replacements).  Tali and Legion didn't interject in this chat?  This topic is not of interest to them?  Lulz.  Infinite out of 10 on the bull**** scale.

If you play the game with a good soundsystem having subwoofer, there are not only ingame vibrations. I think this can be linked to the whole infrasound topic. I'd assume that you can find the infrasound noise during that dialogue aswell.

Again: What is your opinion on creating an FAQ/wiki?

Modifié par Restrider, 02 octobre 2012 - 10:59 .

[ElSuperGecko]

BleedingUranium wrote...
What does this meeeeaaaan?

I think it means I need moar coffee.

[Rifneno]

BleedingUranium wrote...

This is still my favourite out of these videos, because it's exactly the same

How is it possible to NOT love that video?

[plfranke]

So if there's ever an IT reveal, what do you guys think will be the Reaper's true reason for doing what they do (if they ever tell us)? More importantly, what do you think the reason will be for the fake reason they chose? Maybe the Reapers are just playing on the conflicts that Shepard has seen most throughout the series?

[Rifneno]

plfranke wrote...

So if there's ever an IT reveal, what do you guys think will be the Reaper's true reason for doing what they do (if they ever tell us)? More importantly, what do you think the reason will be for the fake reason they chose? Maybe the
Reapers are just playing on the conflicts that Shepard has seen most throughout the series?

I don't believe they'll ever give us their real motivations.  It's better to leave them as a Lovecraftian horror.  Unknowable.  I'm positive that the dark energy story, if it ever really was Karpyshyn's plan (I've seen no actual evidence of this), was only his plan for the Reaper's false motive that they use to indoctrinate weak willed Shepards.  The dark energy plot is based around a real scientific theory called The Big Rip wherein dark energy could end up basically ripping reality apart.  But there's too many Grand Canyon sized holes for it ever to have been the real Reaper motive.