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[dorktainian]

plfranke wrote...

So if there's ever an IT reveal, what do you guys think will be the Reaper's true reason for doing what they do (if they ever tell us)? More importantly, what do you think the reason will be for the fake reason they chose? Maybe the Reapers are just playing on the conflicts that Shepard has seen most throughout the series?

do they need a reason to do what they do?  If they are machines then programming is the reason.  They don't need to know what the real reason is, just fulfill their purpose.

From my point of view it would have been cool if they'd done a 'LOST' with shep and his comrades.  That would have needed someone who could tell a story tho, and well....... 

[GhostShadow115]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Oh no. Just had a brainwave.

Synthesis = the fusion of organic and synthetic life.

Synthesis = the fusion of biological life with hardware/software.

Synthesis = BIO-WARE.

.... woah... woah... woah...
This needs to sink in now... Please continue.

[Restrider]

I stick to the reason I kind of imagined after playing ME2.
They do their harvest, because:
- they want to reproduce
- prevent any civilization to be able to challange them
- store the essence of each species that is worth the effort

These three points tie into their ultimate goal to form the ultimate intelligence (though this would kind of contradict their claim to already be the pinnacle of evolution).

Another reason would just be some kind of perverted altruism. The worst things have been done with the best intentions.

[plfranke]

Rifneno wrote...

plfranke wrote...

So if there's ever an IT reveal, what do you guys think will be the Reaper's true reason for doing what they do (if they ever tell us)? More importantly, what do you think the reason will be for the fake reason they chose? Maybe the
Reapers are just playing on the conflicts that Shepard has seen most throughout the series?

I don't believe they'll ever give us their real motivations.  It's better to leave them as a Lovecraftian horror.  Unknowable.  I'm positive that the dark energy story, if it ever really was Karpyshyn's plan (I've seen no actual evidence of this), was only his plan for the Reaper's false motive that they use to indoctrinate weak willed Shepards.  The dark energy plot is based around a real scientific theory called The Big Rip wherein dark energy could end up basically ripping reality apart.  But there's too many Grand Canyon sized holes for it ever to have been the real Reaper motive.

I would at the very least, like to have something like this in a future dlc. You learn about a past cycle's experience with the Reapers. Only, the record will say that the Reapers gave a totally different reason for why they do what they do. I have a feeling that every dlc will add a new question you can ask the Catalyst. For instance, with Leviathan it was basically why did you betray your creators? For omega we might find out more about the crucible and Shepard can ask "Why did this happen?" For the "attempted synthesis" it can be something like "Why did it go wrong?". Eventually in the final dlc all these questions will end with an option to ask "Why are you the child?".  At this point all sound will stop and the child will look at you and talk in Harbinger's voice finally and this will begin the IT reveal dlc.

[ElSuperGecko]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
You have not really defeated the enemy if you adopt their methods. - Samara
Sometimes the most brutal path is the only honest one. - Samara

That's really intriguing.  We could do with putting together a list of every quote that foreshadows the ending choices.  There must be dozens of times your squadmates and allies - and even Shepard - warn you about this.  I know Javik certainly speaks about it a lot.

Dead Reapers are the way we win this - Admiral Hackett
Nothing good ever came from Reaper tech - Garrus

[paxxton]

Hello, how are you?

[Rifneno]

plfranke wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

plfranke wrote...

So if there's ever an IT reveal, what do you guys think will be the Reaper's true reason for doing what they do (if they ever tell us)? More importantly, what do you think the reason will be for the fake reason they chose? Maybe the
Reapers are just playing on the conflicts that Shepard has seen most throughout the series?

I don't believe they'll ever give us their real motivations.  It's better to leave them as a Lovecraftian horror.  Unknowable.  I'm positive that the dark energy story, if it ever really was Karpyshyn's plan (I've seen no actual evidence of this), was only his plan for the Reaper's false motive that they use to indoctrinate weak willed Shepards.  The dark energy plot is based around a real scientific theory called The Big Rip wherein dark energy could end up basically ripping reality apart.  But there's too many Grand Canyon sized holes for it ever to have been the real Reaper motive.

I would at the very least, like to have something like this in a future dlc. You learn about a past cycle's experience with the Reapers. Only, the record will say that the Reapers gave a totally different reason for why they do what they do. I have a feeling that every dlc will add a new question you can ask the Catalyst. For instance, with Leviathan it was basically why did you betray your creators? For omega we might find out more about the crucible and Shepard can ask "Why did this happen?" For the "attempted synthesis" it can be something like "Why did it go wrong?". Eventually in the final dlc all these questions will end with an option to ask "Why are you the child?".  At this point all sound will stop and the child will look at you and talk in Harbinger's voice finally and this will begin the IT reveal dlc.

<Reaper voice> SO BE IT.

[RavenEyry]

plfranke wrote...

So if there's ever an IT reveal, what do you guys think will be the Reaper's true reason for doing what they do (if they ever tell us)? More importantly, what do you think the reason will be for the fake reason they chose? Maybe the Reapers are just playing on the conflicts that Shepard has seen most throughout the series?

It is not something you can comprehend. I'd rather it stayed that way.

[plfranke]

I saw something else in the Thessia mission that I thought was a little interesting. When the conversation with TIM is over his words are a little odd. He says "Leng, the Commander has something I need. Relieve him of it, and then bring me the data." Let's look at this, "something I need." He then talks about the data as if it is a separate entity even though everyone just assumes he's talking about the same thing. But, what if he's talking about Shepard's confidence, Shepard's will? Shepard clearly has a different attitude after the Thessia mission is over. I have a theory in the works that uses this and my past observations about Kai Leng but it's a whopper and it probably won't be ready for a while. It has to do with the Illusive Man's suspicious use of holograms though.

[demersel]

Guys, i guess we can safely say that ALL the missions involving reaper tech in ME3 are really weird in one way or another, and ALL can have things that are part hallucination. THe great example of this would be the Rachni mission - If you don't free the queen - you just turn and politely leave, without doing anything - i.e. just leaving her there to breed more rachni for the reapers.

[DoomsdayDevice]

plfranke wrote...

So if there's ever an IT reveal, what do you guys think will be the Reaper's true reason for doing what they do (if they ever tell us)?

Simple. They harvest advanced organics for two reasons:

1. So these organics don't evolve to such an advanced state that they can threaten the Reapers' position as top dogs of the galaxy.
2. So these organics don't build synthetics that can threaten the Reapers' position as top dogs of the galaxy.

This also works when the Reapers are actually the servants of the Leviathans.

The reason for the fake reason is because they want you to sympathize with the idea that they're 'just trying to find a solution to the organics vs. synthetics problem'. For obvious reasons of indoctrination.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 02 octobre 2012 - 11:57 .

[demersel]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

plfranke wrote...

So if there's ever an IT reveal, what do you guys think will be the Reaper's true reason for doing what they do (if they ever tell us)?

Simple. They harvest advanced organics for two reasons:

1. So these organics don't evolve to such an advanced state that they can threaten the Reapers' position as top dogs of the galaxy.
2. So these organics don't build synthetics that can threaten the Reapers' position as top dogs of the galaxy.

This also works when the Reapers are actually the servants of the Leviathans.

There is noe more important reason - to make more reapers and process the rest of the organics into some sort of brain fuel - remember - reapers are huge tankers of organic DNA that is used as hardware for their thought processes - and they emit indoctrination constantly - and that degrades all thought processes - to be not affected by it they need infusions of fresh organic goo they make out of everyone. 

So it is very simple in the end. THEY WANT OUR BRAINS!!!! 

[RavenEyry]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...


Simple. They harvest advanced organics for two reasons:

1. So these organics don't evolve to such an advanced state that they can threaten the Reapers' position as top dogs of the galaxy.
2. So these organics don't build synthetics that can threaten the Reapers' position as top dogs of the galaxy.

I think they're also trying to improve their technology. Let species develop along lines you've set, then slaughter them before they become dangerous, harvesting any interesting improvements they've made.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Restrider wrote...

On a related topic:
Has anyone anything to say to the IT FAQ? I'd really like to sort through the arguments presented and narrow them down to leave only the really important stuff. Maybe some kind of ITwiki should be created.

My stance is this:

If we only include the really important clues, the significant stuff, we narrow it down to a few strong points, and it will make the theory look stronger.

If we include every little dubious tidbit we found (even if there is no evidence to debunk it), then we look like a bunch of conspiracy theorists who lump every little thing together, just to create a big pile of evidence.

It's better to have a list of a few really strong points, then a huge list with lots of things that will only make people go 'lolwut'. It will only make IT look weaker.

So if we go for an FAQ, I suggest we do not include stuff like the unlimited ammo, the painted Reaper on the wall next to a body bag, the fact that Shepard is suddenly wearing default armour, etc. There are really easy explanations for this sort of thing. The bushes... it's just not all that important.

I say we stick to the stuff that makes people think. Mostly story-related evidence, such as Leviathan establishing that the Reapers have an advanced form of the Leviathan mind control power that builds illusions from people's memories. That Saren advocated synthesis. That TIM advocated control, and that both were indoctrinated. A list of dialogue lines that are foreshadowing the end, and favouring the destroy option. The soldier who is fighting in the streets is losing in control/synthesis but shooting down husk after husk and just fighting on no matter what in destroy. Those things. The child in the refuse ending dropping his charade for a second when he is angered and yells at you in Reaper voice. Etcetera.

[DoomsdayDevice]

RavenEyry wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...


Simple. They harvest advanced organics for two reasons:

1. So these organics don't evolve to such an advanced state that they can threaten the Reapers' position as top dogs of the galaxy.
2. So these organics don't build synthetics that can threaten the Reapers' position as top dogs of the galaxy.

I think they're also trying to improve their technology. Let species develop along lines you've set, then slaughter them before they become dangerous, harvesting any interesting improvements they've made.

Yeah, that too. And procreation, like Demersel said. But simply staying on top is their main reason IMO.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 02 octobre 2012 - 12:18 .

[Davik Kang]

plfranke wrote...
There is only one conversation option where the Reaper totally owns you and you have no chance for a rebuttal. This is the inquiry option which foreshadows picking synthesis. The Reaper basically tells you there can be no peace and to bring it on. The really interesting thing is with the paragon and renegade options though.

But actually I think what you wrote about Synthesis here is really interesting too!  

Because Paragon and Renegade choices here are making your stand against the Reaper - refusing to listen to him, or listening and denying his logic.  But the inquiry option - here you are very much listening to him, you want to hear what he has to say.  And then, in your words, he 'owns' you.  Not to take it too literally, what I mean is that if you are listening to the Reaper and not telling him to shove it, then you are opening yourself to being... indoctrinated!  Right?

What this got me thinking is that maybe Synthesis is the only final option where you are truly indoctrinated.  Control is like submitting to them - Shepard dies and becomes a Reaper basically - but Synthesis is something much worse.  He/she submits to their will and does what they want him to do - which is to use his body and the Crucible to transform organic and synthetic life.

What do you think?

[DoomsdayDevice]

Davik Kang wrote...

but Synthesis is something much worse.  He/she submits to their will and does what they want him to do - which is to use his body and the Crucible to transform organic and synthetic life.

What do you think?

I think the idea that the Crucible can actually do something like transforming organic and synthetic life is absurd.

It's either a huge bomb, or a trap; an indoctrination device.

The options of the crucible aren't real.

It's all just a trial (=crucible) in Shepard's head.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 02 octobre 2012 - 12:17 .

[paxxton]

Yknow what, the Reapers can harvest what and who they want. I don't give a damn.

[demersel]

What if most of the basic Reapers - are just huskified leviathans?

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

What if most of the basic Reapers - are just huskified leviathans?

They can harvest those 3 underwater douchebags too. Whatever.

Modifié par paxxton, 02 octobre 2012 - 12:26 .

[Eryri]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...


Simple. They harvest advanced organics for two reasons:

1. So these organics don't evolve to such an advanced state that they can threaten the Reapers' position as top dogs of the galaxy.
2. So these organics don't build synthetics that can threaten the Reapers' position as top dogs of the galaxy.

I think they're also trying to improve their technology. Let species develop along lines you've set, then slaughter them before they become dangerous, harvesting any interesting improvements they've made.

Yeah, that too. And procreation, like Demersel said. But simply staying on top is their main reason IMO.

Makes sense. The Reapers are essentially super-sized Daleks. They do what they do out of self-interest, and because they consider their needs matter more than all the "lesser" species. They're selfish, gits essentially. That's all the motivation they ever needed.

Modifié par Eryri, 02 octobre 2012 - 12:30 .

[RavenEyry]

Eryri wrote...

Makes sense. The Reapers are essentially super-sized Daleks. They do what they do out of self-interest, and because they consider their needs matter more than all the "lesser" species. They're selfish, gits essentially. That's all the motivation they ever needed.

Speaking of daleks, they sometimes use humans as raw materials to make more of themselves, but nothing of the humans remained (except one special case). No talk of 'preserving their essence' went on, the flesh was just a tool for a purpose.

[masster blaster]

What people forget is that The Reapers are the enemy. " Recommened we use quotes from the art of war. There are some really interesting things in there, that tells me something is off.

Also why do you think they are making the trilogy pack alreayd, if it's only been 6 months.

You would think it will tak at least 1-2 years like every other trilogy has, but to me it's like they want people to repaly ME 1-3 again.

[paxxton]

masster blaster wrote...

What people forget is that The Reapers are the enemy. " Recommened we use quotes from the art of war. There are some really interesting things in there, that tells me something is off.

Also why do you think they are making the trilogy pack alreayd, if it's only been 6 months.

You would think it will tak at least 1-2 years like every other trilogy has, but to me it's like they want people to repaly ME 1-3 again.

Yeah, that's a good reason. Especially that ME1 has high-res textures applied, which looks really cool.

[RavenEyry]

The most odd thing is releasing a 'definitive collection' before all the DLC is out.