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[masster blaster]

Raven, what also alarms me is that I thought in orderd to become a Reaper, they had to put them in little pods and turn them into Reaper baby formula. Yet we don't see anything, and only 2 keepers are there. Well There is another on, but it dissapered after Shepard arrives on the Citadel in his head.

Also if they are making a Reaper, then what do you think Control is. Remember in the CE guild book, it said Shepard becomes a Reaper, not the new Catalyst, not the one who leades the Reapers, but a Reaper in general.

You see Remember in Hellish's video, or Prettz video they found a baby Reaper behind the core. Well if you look at Control panal you can see a Reaper like baby behind it.

Modifié par masster blaster, 02 octobre 2012 - 12:52 .

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

The most odd thing is releasing a 'definitive collection' before all the DLC is out.

[bluntly] MONEY, MONEY, MONEY...

[demersel]

BTW! what about that Biggest patch that is due today, that also sets up for a future things...?? Sounds like teasing. ))

[paxxton]

The newcomers and PS3-only users will be completely satisfied with the trilogy pack.

[demersel]

WOW! - - Players can no longer grab Geth Pyros over cover! They just killed farming ))

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

WOW! - - Players can no longer grab Geth Pyros over cover! They just killed farming ))

That sucks! Pyros are the worst, besides Rocket Launchers. They come close and throw fire over the cover.

Modifié par paxxton, 02 octobre 2012 - 12:57 .

[masster blaster]

Also remember what Garrus boss said in ME1 about Shepard, Saren, and the Specters? I am not at home right now, but when I do I will Show you the video, and tell you what this could mean for Shepard, and the endings.

[masster blaster]

Also remember that Asari in Noveria that was working for Benezia. She played miss inoccent, but turned out to be working for Benezia. Just like the other asari girl on Virmire. She was slowly being Indoctrinated.

[masster blaster]

Oh and remember that data in ME2 that had every dirty little secrete about Cerberus. You had three options. Keep the data for yourself. Give it to the Alliance, or give it to Cerberus. I always wonder why this data never helped the Alliance at all if you gave it to them.

Also remember the TIM used Shepard for his own plans, that were plan crazy, that almost killed Shepard and his/her squad. Now it's happening again only this time the Reapers, or Leviathans are using Shepard.

Also remember in ME2 When the Collectors boarded the Normandy, what if they were looking for Shepard. Think about it, They could have Destroyed the Normandy right there, but they didn't. This was Harbingers chance to catch Shepard alive so that Harbinger can have Shepard's mind, or prepare him/her for the Asention.

[Eryri]

RavenEyry wrote...

Speaking of daleks, they sometimes use humans as raw materials to make more of themselves, but nothing of the humans remained (except one special case). No talk of 'preserving their essence' went on, the flesh was just a tool for a purpose.

Indeed - but both are interested in humans that they find valuable, or with useful genetic traits - like feisty genius hackers, or, perhaps, charismatic military leaders?  And both are organic goo with a crunchy outer shell.

Modifié par Eryri, 02 octobre 2012 - 01:20 .

[masster blaster]

Also I always wonder how the Collectors find the Normandy in the first place. Now there are three things I can come up with.

1. When the collectors/ Harbinger tried to take over the Normandy when Shepard was on the Collector Ship. They could have hack EDI's systems unkowingly and placed a trackind divice in her systems.

2.TIM tiped of the Harbinger/ the Collectors on where the Normandy was at. He did it once, but the player disregareded it as " Oh that's okay you almost got me, and my crew killed again."

3. The Shadow Broker Could have tiped the Collectors off because he did have videos of the Normandys crew, so maybe he told the Collectors

[RavenEyry]

The IFF had a virus in it, I thought that was spelled out for everyone?

[Davik Kang]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...
I think the idea that the Crucible can actually do something like transforming organic and synthetic life is absurd.

It's either a huge bomb, or a trap; an indoctrination device.

The options of the crucible aren't real.

It's all just a trial (=crucible) in Shepard's head.

Ok the Synthesis idea is absurd but that wasn't my point, the point was, whether Control was like mistaken rejection of the Reapers, while Synthesis represents full on indoctrination.  What do you think?

I do think the final options are real, but that doesn't interfere with the thing I'm asking about here.

Crucible=trial also isn't relevant to the IT/reality debate.

[masster blaster]

Also remember what TIM said about human dominats, but Shepard said Cerberus dominats at the end of ME2 if you pick the Paragon path/ choice.

Could TIM mean yes the Collectors are gone, and now humanity is save because the Reapers will need us, and we can gain their trust and over through them and become their masters.

Also TIM in ME2 of how Shepard is in ME3. I mean TIM is like helping humanity like Shepard does, but his methods are extream, like some of Shepard's chocies in ME3. Also TIM says he is protecting humanity, but he was leading humanity to it's downfall. Thus we have Shepard.


" Anderson I..I only wanted to save everyone. The Crucible can allow me to Control the Reapers, or Synthesis Synthetics, and Organics I just.."

[plfranke]

Davik Kang wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...
I think the idea that the Crucible can actually do something like transforming organic and synthetic life is absurd.

It's either a huge bomb, or a trap; an indoctrination device.

The options of the crucible aren't real.

It's all just a trial (=crucible) in Shepard's head.

Ok the Synthesis idea is absurd but that wasn't my point, the point was, whether Control was like mistaken rejection of the Reapers, while Synthesis represents full on indoctrination.  What do you think?

I do think the final options are real, but that doesn't interfere with the thing I'm asking about here.

Crucible=trial also isn't relevant to the IT/reality debate.

I think synthesis is the only true indoctrinated ending. It would explain why the ending is so much better than every other one. For instance, why is control, which is painted as much better than destroy, available with any ems as long as you kept the collector base? Synthesis on the other hand takes much more ems even though the merits are essentially the same. Synthesis is giving into the Reapers ideals while control has an important distinction. You're trying to impose your ideals on them. However, the game went to great lengths to explain that it wasn't possible and even showed that the only main character who believed in it was indoctrinated and in some variations actually admits he was wrong. So from a literal standpoint it still shouldn't be a viable way to win. There needs to be at the very least a penalty for picking control.

[TSA_383]

demersel wrote...

BTW! what about that Biggest patch that is due today, that also sets up for a future things...?? Sounds like teasing. ))

Patch is due thursday, no?

[plfranke]

masster blaster wrote...

Also remember what TIM said about human dominats, but Shepard said Cerberus dominats at the end of ME2 if you pick the Paragon path/ choice.

Could TIM mean yes the Collectors are gone, and now humanity is save because the Reapers will need us, and we can gain their trust and over through them and become their masters.

Also TIM in ME2 of how Shepard is in ME3. I mean TIM is like helping humanity like Shepard does, but his methods are extream, like some of Shepard's chocies in ME3. Also TIM says he is protecting humanity, but he was leading humanity to it's downfall. Thus we have Shepard.


" Anderson I..I only wanted to save everyone. The Crucible can allow me to Control the Reapers, or Synthesis Synthetics, and Organics I just.."

 masster when you put things into quotations it actually has to be what the person said. You just totally butchered what he said and then quoted it as if it was in game. lol

[Davik Kang]

plfranke wrote...
I think synthesis is the only true indoctrinated ending. It would explain why the ending is so much better than every other one. For instance, why is control, which is painted as much better than destroy, available with any ems as long as you kept the collector base? Synthesis on the other hand takes much more ems even though the merits are essentially the same. Synthesis is giving into the Reapers ideals while control has an important distinction. You're trying to impose your ideals on them. However, the game went to great lengths to explain that it wasn't possible and even showed that the only main character who believed in it was indoctrinated and in some variations actually admits he was wrong. So from a literal standpoint it still shouldn't be a viable way to win. There needs to be at the very least a penalty for picking control.

Yeah I agree with all this.  I would say it's still debatable whether Control is a way to win, though I wouldn't argue that myself.  But yeah Control to me seems like a sort of compromise indoctrination attempt, (almost like a real life indoctrination attempt, using dodgy logic rather than Reaper magic) whereas Synthesis represents full-blown 'gotcha!'

[masster blaster]

Shepard: " Control, and Synthesis is the means of our survival. Control of the Reapers, Synthesising,or Controlling you, or Synthesising you if nesisary."

" I deticated my life to understand the Reapers and I know for serten the Crucible will allow me to Control and Synthesis everyone in the Galaxy."

" No I'm in Control nobody is telling me what to do."

" But I can."

" Shepard are you willing to beat the whole galaxys exstistance on Controlling, and Synthesising the Reapers, and everyone else."

" I - no it will work."

" You can't can you. They won't let you do it."

" You will undo all that I have acomplished. I won't let you."

" Shepard your weak and your selfish."

" That's not-"

" You were suppost to kill the Reapers not save them, but instead you chocked up like TIM, and Saren did."

" No. No I am thr pinnicle of our species."

* Gun shot*

" There...Earth...I wish you can see it like I do Anderson it's so perfect."

Shepard was talking to Anderson in this Converstaion I created. Shepard was Indoctrinated by the Reapers/ replaced with TIM, and Anderson is Shepard in this scene.

[masster blaster]

Plfranke I wasn't really qouteing that scene, but wanted to put my own words in it, and IT was Shepard that was telling Anderson.

" I took what I wanted from them. Made it my own. This isn't about me our you. It's about so much things bigger than all of us."

[masster blaster]

Okay guys I have to go to class now so see ya.

[plfranke]

Davik Kang wrote...

plfranke wrote...
I think synthesis is the only true indoctrinated ending. It would explain why the ending is so much better than every other one. For instance, why is control, which is painted as much better than destroy, available with any ems as long as you kept the collector base? Synthesis on the other hand takes much more ems even though the merits are essentially the same. Synthesis is giving into the Reapers ideals while control has an important distinction. You're trying to impose your ideals on them. However, the game went to great lengths to explain that it wasn't possible and even showed that the only main character who believed in it was indoctrinated and in some variations actually admits he was wrong. So from a literal standpoint it still shouldn't be a viable way to win. There needs to be at the very least a penalty for picking control.

Yeah I agree with all this.  I would say it's still debatable whether Control is a way to win, though I wouldn't argue that myself.  But yeah Control to me seems like a sort of compromise indoctrination attempt, (almost like a real life indoctrination attempt, using dodgy logic rather than Reaper magic) whereas Synthesis represents full-blown 'gotcha!'

I think it's debatable, but it's one of those debates that are gone into simply for the sake of arguing than coming to better understanding. In the literal interperetation of the game there are 2 characters who tell you the Reapers can be controlled. First is the Illusive Man who in the literal interperetation is proven to be indoctrinated. You're also told that in all past cycles there has been an indoctrinated splinter group who believes the Reapers should be controlled, and they always cause that civilization to lose. Then there's the Catalyst who is the leader of the Reapers and the very same character that tells you Synthesis is a viable option.

There's just too much against control for it to be plausible. Both of these characters for the reasons mentioned above are not worthy of any trust. Without them, all you have are a bunch of main characters telling you that destroy is the only way forward.

Also is it just me or is there quite a bit of foreshadowing that the Illusive Man is going to do something awesome at some point? Like James Vega's comment where he says something to the effect of, can you imagine if he was on our side?

[Rifneno]

RavenEyry wrote...

I think they're also trying to improve their technology. Let species develop along lines you've set, then slaughter them before they become dangerous, harvesting any interesting improvements they've made.

I had a similar theory once upon a time. My theory was that synthetic intelligence can figure out ways to improve upon existing technology but they simply do not have the creative spark to come up with an entirely new idea. That is a trait of organic minds. So the Reapers let civilization advance to a sweet spot wherein they're advanced enough to have come up with some new ideas but before they're powerful enough to be a danger. Then they wipe them out, take the new technology, and improve upon it with their existing understanding. Of course that was before ME2 when they revealed Reapers aren't purely synthetic. Ahh, memories.

demersel wrote...

WOW! - - Players can no longer grab Geth Pyros over cover! They just killed farming ))

Would be cool if geth weren't still the cheapest things ever. But they are. Way to fail, BW.

[RavenEyry]

Rifneno wrote...


I had a similar theory once upon a time. My theory was that synthetic intelligence can figure out ways to improve upon existing technology but they simply do not have the creative spark to come up with an entirely new idea. That is a trait of organic minds. So the Reapers let civilization advance to a sweet spot wherein they're advanced enough to have come up with some new ideas but before they're powerful enough to be a danger. Then they wipe them out, take the new technology, and improve upon it with their existing understanding. Of course that was before ME2 when they revealed Reapers aren't purely synthetic. Ahh, memories.

The geth advancing on their own path also screws over that interesting idea. Races definitely develop seperately though, in this cycle at least only humans came up with carriers and medigel after the asari had been starfaring for centuries.