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[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Why do you dislike destroy?

[masster blaster]

Well when you go to the Cerberus base and find the Prto Reaper. There are cigerates all over the floor, like a very somebody we know likes to smoke.

TIM. Why do you think he took coloniest from their homes, and planted Reaper tech in his troops, and the Colonist. Hell even in Grimmsion Acadomy mission you find Data pads of Cerberus operatives targeting students to inplant Reaper tech with.


Also Saren wanted Synthesis to save everyone, just like the end of ME3. Yes he did it to save his own life too, but he wanted to synthesis Organic, and Synthetics together. Also you didn't notice the implants Saren had in the beginning of ME1.

Also why is it that in Synthesid everyone forgett's they are at WAR. I mean hello all it did was fuse Organics, and Synthetics together, and that's it. No reason to stop the fight .

Also Think about Javik. He would love to kill the Reapers, and your squad knows what the Reapers really are. Also most of Shepard's friends died to STOP the Reapers, not let them live, I mean DEAD.

[Xilizhra]

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Why do you dislike destroy?

The geth genocide. Also EDI's death to a lesser extent.

[BatmanTurian]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not an advocate for any one ending in particular, although I've come to greatly dislike Destroy. What I'm doing here is giving a way for those who chose any ending to find some means of enjoying it in a version of IT. I consider this more fair for everyone.

Hates destroy. Believes they are not indoctrinated. Argues for Reaper ideals.



Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah. You know who else didn't like the idea of destroying the Reapers and argued for their beliefs? Kenson, indoctrinated Hanar ambassador, Saren, TIM, indoctrinated Vorcha, Reapers themselves, the "Catalyst" AKA Guardian...

[RavenEyry]

Xilizhra wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Why do you dislike destroy?

The geth genocide. Also EDI's death to a lesser extent.

Y'know that's actually pretty vague as to what happens. The only difference is geth don't appear in slides.

[BatmanTurian]

Xilizhra wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Why do you dislike destroy?

The geth genocide. Also EDI's death to a lesser extent.

The fact that in both instances they claimed to want to risk nonfunctionality rather than serve under the Reapers means nothing to you? They signed up for a war. The whole game, people are telling you that sometimes the hard choices have to be made, ruthless arithmetic etc. They all knew they might die and they were okay with that.

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Xilizhra wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Why do you dislike destroy?

The geth genocide. Also EDI's death to a lesser extent.

EDI said herself that she would gladly sacrifice herself to stop the Reapers.
The Geth have just as much reason to sacrifice themselves for the war. The Reapers divided and caused conflict within the Geth. Used them as tools. Legion acknowledges that the Reapers are not the pinnacle of his peoples evolution. It is "ours". The Geth cannot "ascend" thus the Reapers would toss them aside.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMbUOpVOnqo

Modifié par NebuchadnezzaRT, 02 octobre 2012 - 04:18 .

[Restrider]

Okay, since there are more online than a few hours ago, I'll try to ask again:
What is your oppinion on some kind of IT FAQ?
I am with DD here that it should only include the backbone, the pillars of the theory. Arguments that support the theory and cannot be ignored easily.

Modifié par Restrider, 02 octobre 2012 - 04:16 .

[masster blaster]

Hey Xill you forget in Synthesis everyones memories is gone. They should be fighting the Reapers, but they don't. All it did was fuse Organics, and Synthetics together, and that's it. The Reapers may stop, but Hackett will order the fleets to counter attack.

Also Hello The Geth signed up for this, and so did EDI. They knew that they were going to die, but they fought a future for the Organics, and for them.

EDI wanted to protect Jeff, the Normandy crew, and Shepard to the death. Also was it genocied ordering the Quarians to kill the Geth, or the Geth letting the Quarians kill the Geth.

Was it Genocied dooming the Krogan if you didn't cure them Was it Genocied in killing the ME1 queen, even though see didn't betray you.

[Xilizhra]

Y'know that's actually pretty vague as to what happens. The only difference is geth don't appear in slides.

And EDI appears on the memorial wall. So we certainly know that's the case.

The fact that in both instances they claimed to want to risk nonfunctionality rather than serve under the Reapers means nothing to you? They signed up for a war. The whole game, people are telling you that sometimes the hard choices have to be made, ruthless arithmetic etc. They all knew they might die and they were okay with that.

My goal is to preserve life as much as possible. I will go with an ending that allows me to do so. That is, clearly, the hard choice.

[Samtheman63]

Xilizhra wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Why do you dislike destroy?

The geth genocide. Also EDI's death to a lesser extent.

gen·o·cide/ˈjenəˌsīd/

Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

It's not genocide

Synthesis is closer to genocide than destroying the geth as you are effectivly ending all organic life in the galaxy

[RavenEyry]

@Restrider: Every detailed IT document should include everything, though obviously split into major and minor categories. If it's just a brief overview than sure, just put the major stuff in.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 02 octobre 2012 - 04:19 .

[Skillz1986]

@xilizhra

So..the starchild saved your live...how exactly? You're saying itt could have just left you there bleeding, but instead he moved you up with that elevator and your bleeding...stopped? Well that is certainly interesting.
"this just in! If you're bleedng profusely and are about to die, seek a nearby elevator and ride that sucker!"

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Xilizhra wrote...

Y'know that's actually pretty vague as to what happens. The only difference is geth don't appear in slides.

And EDI appears on the memorial wall. So we certainly know that's the case.

The fact that in both instances they claimed to want to risk nonfunctionality rather than serve under the Reapers means nothing to you? They signed up for a war. The whole game, people are telling you that sometimes the hard choices have to be made, ruthless arithmetic etc. They all knew they might die and they were okay with that.

My goal is to preserve life as much as possible. I will go with an ending that allows me to do so. That is, clearly, the hard choice.

HA! Clearly the hard choice. Ugghhhh yes ok I'm done. Goodbye

[TSA_383]

Xilizhra wrote...

BOTH SAREN AND TIM WERE CONVINCED OTHERWISE AT THE END OF THE GAME. BREAKING THROUGH THEIR INDOCTTRINATION BECAUSE OF SHEPARD

Yes, and in my vision, that's the exact role the Catalyst is playing for Shepard.

So you think the AI that controls the reapers is going to help shepard break indoctrination...from the reapers...?
I really have no idea why you'd think that.

Restrider wrote...
The fact that a remarkable amount of players change their goal by giving credit to a totally new character that even admits to be aligned to the evil nightmare machines we've been fighting throughout the whole trilogy is baffling.
I'll admit that at my first playthrough I (accidently) chose Refuse, because I did not trust any of the presented options.

The words "****ing bizarre" come to mind.
But let's see, the proof will be in the content, and the next announcement is later this week 

Xilizhra wrote...

On an unrelated note, the analysis for the breath scene always puts it 
at either London or the Citadel. Has any effort been made to see if 
anywhere else fits?

The Citadel. Reality may be wavering until then, but I don't think anything is a complete hallucination, even the Catalyst's presentation; it's just speaking in less-than-literally-true tones, to better get to Shepard through said indoctrination.

Hold up.
You think that the "catalyst"... the self-confessed reaper AI, is lieing to shepard because it wants to help Shepard stop the reapers?
I...just...there are no words...

Xilizhra wrote...
I personally advocate for all three endings to avoid indoctrination, because none of them actually fit with the Reapers' ideals. Destroy is obvious, though in a way it's actually the most Reaper-like because of the accompanying genocide. Control is exerting your own will over the Reapers and forcing them to break their cycle. Synthesis is rendering the cycle impossible to continue by destroying the Reapers' superiority and any claims of being "beyond" the rest of the galaxy. Only Refusal is truly failing to stop the Reapers and allowing them to continue doing what they're doing.

Synthesis is what the reapers have been doing for a billion years.

[BatmanTurian]

Restrider wrote...

Okay, since there are more online than a few hours ago, I'll try to ask again:
What is your oppinion on some kind of IT FAQ?
I am with DD here that it should only include the backbone, the pillars of the theory. Arguments that support the theory and cannot be ignored easily.

Parabolee or whatever has FAQ built into the http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/ website but it hasn't been updated since July 23rd as far as I know and Parabolee disappeared after befriending Jessica Merizan according to Byne.

[Xilizhra]

@xilizhra

So..the starchild saved your live...how exactly? You're saying itt could have just left you there bleeding, but instead he moved you up with that elevator and your bleeding...stopped? Well that is certainly interesting.
"this just in! If you're bleedng profusely and are about to die, seek a nearby elevator and ride that sucker!"

Well, if not bleeding out, there's always the nice chance of starving to death, unable to leave the Citadel after the Reapers destroy the Crucible and then the fleets.

Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

Deliberately taking an action that will destroy all geth. It is genocide.

[BatmanTurian]

Xilizhra wrote...

Y'know that's actually pretty vague as to what happens. The only difference is geth don't appear in slides.

And EDI appears on the memorial wall. So we certainly know that's the case.

The fact that in both instances they claimed to want to risk nonfunctionality rather than serve under the Reapers means nothing to you? They signed up for a war. The whole game, people are telling you that sometimes the hard choices have to be made, ruthless arithmetic etc. They all knew they might die and they were okay with that.

My goal is to preserve life as much as possible. I will go with an ending that allows me to do so. That is, clearly, the hard choice.

You have to be a troll. Nobody can be this logically destitute...

[Restrider]

Sigh...
I bought new consumable equipment for a gold match and get thrown into a game with stickheads that all got wiped at wave 1 >.< .

[RavenEyry]

Xilizhra wrote...

Deliberately taking an action that will destroy all geth. It is genocide.

Again, not necesarily. We only know for sure that EDI dies.

[Samtheman63]

Xilizhra wrote...

@xilizhra

So..the starchild saved your live...how exactly? You're saying itt could have just left you there bleeding, but instead he moved you up with that elevator and your bleeding...stopped? Well that is certainly interesting.
"this just in! If you're bleedng profusely and are about to die, seek a nearby elevator and ride that sucker!"

Well, if not bleeding out, there's always the nice chance of starving to death, unable to leave the Citadel after the Reapers destroy the Crucible and then the fleets.

Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

Deliberately taking an action that will destroy all geth. It is genocide.

Shepard wanted to destroy the reapers, anything else was a necessary sacrifice.  Plus the geth are not people, so it is not genocide.

[Home run MF]

Maybe I'm lost but don't some people in this thread think the ending it's just a test and the Crucible didn't really fire? How can you argue about IT and dismiss one of its pillars?

Modifié par Home run MF, 02 octobre 2012 - 04:27 .

[Davik Kang]

Restrider wrote...
Rifneno sometimes can be an @ss. You will not change his attitude. His avatar explains his stance perfectly. You will get used to his sometimes rough comments.

Ok understood.  I will butt out.  Just in parting will say that Xilizhra is making a better case than you are giving him/her credit for.  Still think Destroy is right, and Control is wrong, and will continue to do so.  But a lot of the points being made are reasonable, not just bearbaiting.

[masster blaster]

Also In ME2 didn't people sing up for a mission they my never come out alive. You my argue that " Well if you didn't build your..." Ya I get it, but did they or not.

Also from the launch trailer " Each of you must be willing to die. Anything less and your already dead."

Also you mean to tell me that you don't like Destroy because the Geth, and EDI Die. Read the art of war. Also um didn't the Catalyst say the cycle will start over again, yet I don't see it in Destroy.

He lied about that. Also if you say " Well Bioware was lazy not to add that, or what if it happence later in the future." Let me stop you right there. The stargazer scene should not be peaceful then. To me this scene is eons in the future. Also um Control stargazer scene makes no sense because there should be Reapers in Control, and that goes for Synthesis as well. Also in Synthesis shouldn't EDI be the stargazer. I mean she can't die unless you kill her, but if Reapers can live for millions of years, then so can she.

[BatmanTurian]

Restrider wrote...

Sigh...
I bought new consumable equipment for a gold match and get thrown into a game with stickheads that all got wiped at wave 1 >.< .

I hate consumbables, honestly. Why can't we just mix and match them according to our playstyle instead of using them up every match? Bizarrely, sometimes they don't even get consumed at the end of the match.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 02 octobre 2012 - 04:27 .