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I was being sarcastic, of course. Synthesis is retarded as hell.
Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 05:48
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Rifneno wrote...
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This reminds me of the original big Indoctrination video, where it is noted that all of the endings are still ENDINGS OF HOPE, in Shepard's mind, with HIGH EMS.
Even if Synthesis means indoctrination, it also means that Harbinger hasn't taken Shepard's hope, and may even be incapable of doing so. It leaves things open to a dramatic set of events after this ending, for sure. Destroy would still be the best, but Control and Synthesis may also indicate that Shepard's spark, his 'aura', etc, isn't extinguished, even if his mind is currently compromised.
But yeah, Refuse may mean that Shepard even gave up hope (for this cycle), as Saren did. Saren didn't have hope, he had despiration.
So Shepard can play in the Matrix while the Reapers kill trillions of people. Sounds about right.
If Shep_breathes.mov is an easter egg and it actually occurs in all 3 endings (high EMS?), then the Matrix is actually just a very short dream, and Shepard is pulled up from the rubble regardless.
The main point is that while each kind of (high EMS) dream has its disturbing details and nightmarish scenarios, there is also a tone of hope, like Shepard never (again in high EMS..) lets go of his hope that the galaxy will be rid of the threat of the Reapers.
So while Synthesis and Control may compromise his mind, his hope keeps the Reapers from having 100% of it. Like his hope is his 'bubble' in his mind, like Benezia had one.
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 05:48
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Xill why do you ignor my post?
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 05:50
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Because it was either conjecture, irrelevant, or both, and also badly spelled.masster blaster wrote...
Xill why do you ignor my post?
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 05:50
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SwobyJ wrote...
If Shep_breathes.mov is an easter egg and it actually occurs in all 3 endings (high EMS?), then the Matrix is actually just a very short dream, and Shepard is pulled up from the rubble regardless.
But it doesn't. It only plays in destroy.
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 05:50
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There are at least as many renegade options to boost your ems as there are paragon. You are meant to choose wisely in these situations. And a lot of times renegade is the right option..as i've already mentioned private talavi/the civillian ship in the docks which you have to send away/ the ptsd asari you DON'T give a gun to protect herself/ you back the c-sec officer who essantially wnats to impose martial law on the citadel..the list goes on. I'm not saying it outweighs paragon..but you're meant tho think twice about who you're going to support.
This is true, but I still say that Paragon has been the 'best' way for most of the important decisions.
Which is why the ending of ME3 is so interesting to me (if IT is real). Control is the corrupted demonchild of Paragon thinking, and it is a trap in itself. 'Charm', taken to the worst level.
And while Destroy is also depicted in negative light, it is also implied over and over that something like Destroy is absolutely NEEDED in order to stop the Reapers.
And then there is the green Heaven of Synthesis roflroflrofl.
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 05:52
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Xill if you were to ask all ME fans about Synthesis being great, then almost 95% will say it's BS. Heck even the Controllers,and literalist think it's BS.
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 05:52
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So, hypothetically speaking, what if Bioware came down from on high and said that all the endings were viable and true at face value; that Control wasn't indoctrination and succeeded to the best of Shepard's ability, and that Synthesis was what they said it was? What would your reactions be?
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 05:53
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Xilizhra wrote...
Hah. The traumatized asari decision isn't Paragon/Renegade, it's total nitwit/functionally intelligent. Also, none of the C-SEC officers actually back martial law, it's just that one of them wants more of a focus on larger issues. And I'm talking about larger EMS boosters too; for instance, you get way more EMS points by going the Paragon route all the way through the krogan story.Skillz1986 wrote...
There are at least as many renegade options to boost your ems as there are paragon. You are meant to choose wisely in these situations. And a lot of times renegade is the right option..as i've already mentioned private talavi/the civillian ship in the docks which you have to send away/ the ptsd asari you DON'T give a gun to protect herself/ you back the c-sec officer who essantially wnats to impose martial law on the citadel..the list goes on. I'm not saying it outweighs paragon..but you're meant tho think twice about who you're going to support.
Paragon tends to be 'hope in others' (sometimes a naive hope), while Renegade is 'confidence in self' (even if it often is arrogance).
IMO choice-wise (not optimal points-wise), paragade and renegon are the 'best' Shepards that make the least 'mistakes' in scenarios, but Bioware tends to push us toward full Paragon or full Renegade...
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 05:54
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I never said that paragon is bad or worse for that matter. My point was and still is..that unlike me1 or 2 "pure paragon" is not going to cut it in me3. Neither does pure renegade..you're meant to give it some thought...the calculus of war.
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 05:54
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SwobyJ wrote...
A small example of this is the Citadel Coup. You always stop it, but sometimes VS dies, and sometimes by your hands, or sometimes by a squadmate's hands, or sometimes the VS stops Udina, or sometimes you stop Udina.
Imagine the same scenario, except with you indoctrinated and your team, depending on choices, being able to kill you, stop you, or even persuade you to resist?
The Citadel coup situation was really cool. If you had Ash there defending Udina, you could imagine what was going through her mind - an ex-Cerberus operative who was also an ex-Spectre (like Saren) holding the Human Councillor at gunpoint and demanding that Ash stand down. So yeah reversing it is a cool idea.
I gotta say though, I think basically Destroy = good end and others = bad, especially as Shep only survives in Destroy. In fact, I think it's probably only Destroy and EMS value success that gives good ending. I think someone posted the in-game code for these choices and it arguably confirmed this (Con and Syn were indistinguishable in the code).
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 05:54
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Renegade dialog in ME3 overall tends to be more to the point and practical - when paragon seem to be very vague and unsure of what it really wants to say. Great example of it would be turian platoon mission. How many of you seen the renegade version of it?
"What's wrong with you? Inspire them! Threaten them! Lieutenant, if Cerberus succeeds, the Reapers divide and conquer us! And then that is on them."
People just refuse to see the truth, it's sad
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 05:56
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off-topic but I kinda wanted to see more Reaper Type Enemies
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 05:56
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"Hah! That's a good one"Xilizhra wrote...
So, hypothetically speaking, what if Bioware came down from on high and said that all the endings were viable and true at face value; that Control wasn't indoctrination and succeeded to the best of Shepard's ability, and that Synthesis was what they said it was? What would your reactions be?
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 05:56
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demersel wrote...
Renegade dialog in ME3 overall tends to be more to the point and practical - when paragon seem to be very vague and unsure of what it really wants to say. Great example of it would be turian platoon mission. How many of you seen the renegade version of it?
This is true. Paragon and Renegade have been in different 'skins' in all three games, when it comes to tone and how to deal with the main threat.
ME1 - Paragon is slightly 'better'
ME2 - Paragon is significantly 'better' (but Renegade gets all the cool scenes! - its just tough when viewed in retrospect that Cerberus is corrupt)
ME3 - Paragon is slightly 'worse' (as in, in indoctrination is happening, Harbinger has learned to take advantage of your personality and wish for a safe future out of despair)
All are valid, but Paragon opens one up to manipulation without any realization, and Renegade opens one up to internal corruption (as literally shown in the facial scarrage in ME2). There's a reason why the Catalyst is a blue ghost.
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 05:57
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Oh if I was on my computer right now I will show you Xill on why Synthesis sucks, and is bad. Hell I prove Saren that he wanted synthesis. Oh and the others know that I broke down Saren's conversations with Shepard, and talked about it in depth. If they have links then they can show you.
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 05:57
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Was that pre-EC?Davik Kang wrote...
SwobyJ wrote...
A small example of this is the Citadel Coup. You always stop it, but sometimes VS dies, and sometimes by your hands, or sometimes by a squadmate's hands, or sometimes the VS stops Udina, or sometimes you stop Udina.
Imagine the same scenario, except with you indoctrinated and your team, depending on choices, being able to kill you, stop you, or even persuade you to resist?
The Citadel coup situation was really cool. If you had Ash there defending Udina, you could imagine what was going through her mind - an ex-Cerberus operative who was also an ex-Spectre (like Saren) holding the Human Councillor at gunpoint and demanding that Ash stand down. So yeah reversing it is a cool idea.
I gotta say though, I think basically Destroy = good end and others = bad, especially as Shep only survives in Destroy. In fact, I think it's probably only Destroy and EMS value success that gives good ending. I think someone posted the in-game code for these choices and it arguably confirmed this (Con and Syn were indistinguishable in the code).
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 05:58
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Xilizhra wrote...
So, hypothetically speaking, what if Bioware came down from on high and said that all the endings were viable and true at face value; that Control wasn't indoctrination and succeeded to the best of Shepard's ability, and that Synthesis was what they said it was? What would your reactions be?
I'd be disappointed that they frakked up so badly, but I would accept it and move on.
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 05:58
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BatmanTurian wrote...
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Again, not necesarily. We only know for sure that EDI dies.Xilizhra wrote...
Deliberately taking an action that will destroy all geth. It is genocide.
It's also perfectly plausible that EDI's Dr Core body is what dies and not little EDI snug in her Quantum Blue Box. The destroy beam does not destroy all technology.
I would also like to point out that in Low EMS control edi's name shows up on the wall also...
But...she would still be alive in the ship.
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 06:00
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Rifneno wrote...
SwobyJ wrote...
If Shep_breathes.mov is an easter egg and it actually occurs in all 3 endings (high EMS?), then the Matrix is actually just a very short dream, and Shepard is pulled up from the rubble regardless.
But it doesn't. It only plays in destroy.
I said easter egg.
What I mean is that Shepard might just survive in all three endings, even if its not shown yet. Shepard breathing in highEMSDestroy could be a very very short easter egg to tell people 'hey, Shepard CAN survive, just wait and see' not 'Shepard DOES survive ONLY in this ending'.
It's symbolic of his mind surviving intact, and him living on to finish the fight.
But I can still see Control and Synthesis resulting in him surviving, but lacking the mental integrity to 'finish the fight' like he otherwise would.
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 06:01
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Xilizhra wrote...
Because it was either conjecture, irrelevant, or both, and also badly spelled.masster blaster wrote...
Xill why do you ignor my post?
Hey! The only people who can criticize Masster's spelling are US! >
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 06:01
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@miss master
Well that's interesting isn't it? @xill
Well that's interesting isn't it? @xill
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 06:02
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SwobyJ wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
SwobyJ wrote...
If Shep_breathes.mov is an easter egg and it actually occurs in all 3 endings (high EMS?), then the Matrix is actually just a very short dream, and Shepard is pulled up from the rubble regardless.
But it doesn't. It only plays in destroy.
I said easter egg.
What I mean is that Shepard might just survive in all three endings, even if its not shown yet. Shepard breathing in highEMSDestroy could be a very very short easter egg to tell people 'hey, Shepard CAN survive, just wait and see' not 'Shepard DOES survive ONLY in this ending'.
It's symbolic of his mind surviving intact, and him living on to finish the fight.
But I can still see Control and Synthesis resulting in him surviving, but lacking the mental integrity to 'finish the fight' like he otherwise would.
Ahh. Don't know how I missed that. Sorry. I guess all this talk of synthesis is making my brain stop working right.
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 06:02
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Xilizhra wrote...
So, hypothetically speaking, what if Bioware came down from on high and said that all the endings were viable and true at face value; that Control wasn't indoctrination and succeeded to the best of Shepard's ability, and that Synthesis was what they said it was? What would your reactions be?
*withholds further DLC and game money from Bioware*
I'd still see what they have for people, sure, especially for a new Mass Effect game, but I'd never preorder it. Maybe borrow it from a friend. If it just continues the 'virtues of Synthesis', then I'd just go 'eff it' and leave this company for the many many other games I have to play now and in the future, anyway.
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 06:02
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From the cockpit, which you've repeatedly said was what was there.
I said that there is something there, but i fail to see how it looks like a console. It first kinda seemed like apart of the pridge or something... How does it resembles the console?
