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You know when coats told Shepard about " Like it or not commander your a hero to these men. Don't discount the effect it could have on them."

Well in Synthesis nobody cheers. It's like they saw there hero die.

In Control Shepard will lose his mind in the end.

In Destroy everyone is cheering like there is no tommorow.

Refuse nothing happence. They lose the will to fight.

Also remember when Shepard died in ME2, and as you explore the galaxy again, you find out that everyone took Shepard's death pretty hard.


Garrus wen't down a dark path.

Liara got her hands dirty.


Wrex went back to tuchanka to gather his people to lead them against the Reapers.

Tali grew up, and took charge of her own squad.


Ash lost hope when Shepard died, and so did everyone else.

I mean hell Shepard is the only reason they stayed on the Normandy.

Also Shepard is what we call the a Hero.

I mean Shepard is not a soldier anymore. Shepard is a symboll to the Galaxy.

" If we lose Commander Shepard humanity may as well follow."

#28752
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BleedingUranium wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

They just put the AT-12 Raider in MP :wizard: 


Really? Really?? AWESOME!!!! Posted Image

Yes awesome. Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.

What will it be next week? Chakram Launcher? Valkyrie?

#28753
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spotlessvoid wrote...

Lol, not quite blur...

Liara is mostly definitely all woman. Female VA, feminine mannerisms, and of course female body type.

Same goes for EDI.

Vega is the proverbial manly man, man.

I could see playing as them for a dlc, but not a whole game.


No disagreement here Posted Image I meant from a lore perspective they could be like say that, since you're playing as an asari, you don't need gender selection. From a player's point of view, however, yeah, female for sure.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

They just put the AT-12 Raider in MP :wizard: 


Really? Really?? AWESOME!!!! Posted Image

Yes awesome. Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.

What will it be next week? Chakram Launcher? Valkyrie?

They also slipped a new gear bonus, something about Responder Loadout
It's interesting, what could it be?

#28755
BleedingUranium

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munnellyladt wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

They just put the AT-12 Raider in MP :wizard: 


Really? Really?? AWESOME!!!! Posted Image


Also,I think they made the BF3 soilder a rare character aswell.


Yep, but I had that since launch Posted Image

If they release Collector MP/Collector Rifle and Omega on the 30th, they could release the Chakram Launcher, Punisher, and Adas in the next three weeks (9th/16th/23rd), followed by the Valkyrie for N7 Day.

And if this is the last MP DLC, maybe they'll release the other four N7 guns as URs on N7 Day as well!

Then we'd have everything! Posted Image

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masster blaster wrote...

You know when coats told Shepard about " Like it or not commander your a hero to these men. Don't discount the effect it could have on them."

Well in Synthesis nobody cheers. It's like they saw there hero die.

In Control Shepard will lose his mind in the end.

In Destroy everyone is cheering like there is no tommorow.

Refuse nothing happence. They lose the will to fight.

Also remember when Shepard died in ME2, and as you explore the galaxy again, you find out that everyone took Shepard's death pretty hard.


Garrus wen't down a dark path.

Liara got her hands dirty.


Wrex went back to tuchanka to gather his people to lead them against the Reapers.

Tali grew up, and took charge of her own squad.


Ash lost hope when Shepard died, and so did everyone else.

I mean hell Shepard is the only reason they stayed on the Normandy.

Also Shepard is what we call the a Hero.

I mean Shepard is not a soldier anymore. Shepard is a symboll to the Galaxy.

" If we lose Commander Shepard humanity may as well follow."

Some of these are reasons why I'm against Shepard dying at all times... but I'm not against using the enemy's technology to defeat the enemy, and I believe that side was rather badly presented in ME3.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Lol, not quite blur...

Liara is mostly definitely all woman. Female VA, feminine mannerisms, and of course female body type.

Same goes for EDI.

Vega is the proverbial manly man, man.

I could see playing as them for a dlc, but not a whole game.


No disagreement here Posted Image I meant from a lore perspective they could be like say that, since you're playing as an asari, you don't need gender selection. From a player's point of view, however, yeah, female for sure.

I like how they used that technique to evade the sexbox scandal when ME1 was released.

"But Liara is actually monogendered. Posted Image"

It's funny how it worked. Something to think about:
The media is all like: OMG lesbians in a video game that's so wrong! But alien sex? Sure, that seems perfectly normal.

Not that I have a problem with either mind you; quite the opposite. Posted Image

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Home run MF wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

They just put the AT-12 Raider in MP :wizard: 


Really? Really?? AWESOME!!!! Posted Image

Yes awesome. Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.

What will it be next week? Chakram Launcher? Valkyrie?

They also slipped a new gear bonus, something about Responder Loadout
It's interesting, what could it be?

Huh, you're right! Guess what it is now! Hi Home Run. Posted Image

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BleedingUranium

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

They just put the AT-12 Raider in MP :wizard: 


Really? Really?? AWESOME!!!! Posted Image

Yes awesome. Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.

What will it be next week? Chakram Launcher? Valkyrie?

They also slipped a new gear bonus, something about Responder Loadout
It's interesting, what could it be?

Huh, you're right! Guess what it is now! Hi Home Run. Posted Image


Lots of speculation for everyone! Posted Image

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Home run MF

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BansheeOwnage wrote...


I like how they used that technique to evade the sexbox scandal when ME1 was released.

"But Liara is actually monogendered. Posted Image"

It's funny how it worked. Something to think about:
The media is all like: OMG lesbians in a video game that's so wrong! But alien sex? Sure, that seems perfectly normal.

Not that I have a problem with either mind you; quite the opposite. Posted Image


I don't have a problem with alien sex unless it's like the Prometheus scene that was disturbing :sick:

Hi Banshee =]

Modifié par Home run MF, 02 octobre 2012 - 11:36 .


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Will be back later. Discuss 4 cruisers!
Or go on Xbox and play with me and Blur to get the Raider!
Or go on Xbox, play with me and Blur and discuss 4 cruisers! It is the ideal solution.
The paths are open, but you have to choose.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 02 octobre 2012 - 11:36 .


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Home run MF wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...


I like how they used that technique to evade the sexbox scandal when ME1 was released.

"But Liara is actually monogendered. Posted Image"

It's funny how it worked. Something to think about:
The media is all like: OMG lesbians in a video game that's so wrong! But alien sex? Sure, that seems perfectly normal.

Not that I have a problem with either mind you; quite the opposite. Posted Image


I don't have a problem with alien sex unless it's like the Prometheus scene that was disturbing :sick:

Hi Banshee =]

Never saw it. Posted Image Hey, you're avatar is an alien... Posted Image

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 02 octobre 2012 - 11:39 .


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spotlessvoid wrote...

@ Veuneurs

The only squad member that everyone has is Liara.

Couple things...

I doubt Bioware ever makes a major game that doesn't allow the player to choose his sex.

Anything involving being more than one protagonist (male/female) is double the work.

Anything involving Shepard or this cycle in the near future has to account for three games worth of choices. That's already tough production wise. Having multiple protagonists as well is basically impossible


That's why I said that I see this for a DLC, not a full game. Play for one hour or two a squadmember and see the result of your choice in the game, especially at the starkid, Shepard indoctrinated/dead or alive. That's just an idea,  Shepard seems really in a bad health on the breath scene, I don't know if he/she can continue to fight just after waking up of indoctrination. So, if even in choosing destroy  you have to play a certain squadmember for a while, I don't think it's impossible to make for a DLC. But the problem is that you will don't play Shepard on the possibly IT real ending, that would be weird on a certain point of view and some people will not appreciate it at all.

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Home run MF wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...


I like how they used that technique to evade the sexbox scandal when ME1 was released.

"But Liara is actually monogendered. Posted Image"

It's funny how it worked. Something to think about:
The media is all like: OMG lesbians in a video game that's so wrong! But alien sex? Sure, that seems perfectly normal.

Not that I have a problem with either mind you; quite the opposite. Posted Image


I don't have a problem with alien sex unless it's like the Prometheus scene that was disturbing :sick:

Hi Banshee =]


more Asari the better lol

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Still catching up on the thread, suddenly had this realization.

The catalyst, AKA, the Guardian.

Q: What could he be guarding?
A: The reapers

In Control, Shepard supposedly becomes the new 'Guardian' right?

The answer is in the Control ending.

Just replace every instance of 'the many' with 'the Reapers', and you'll see what I mean.

Eternal. Infinite. Immortal. The man I was used these words, but only now do I truly understand them. And only now do I understand the true extent of the sacrifice. Through his death I was created. Through my birth, his thoughts are freed. They guide me now, give me reason, direction. Just as he gave direction the the ones who followed him, the ones who helped him achieve his purpose. Now my purpose. To give the Reapers hope for a future. To ensure that all have a voice in their future. The man I was knew that he could only achieve this by becoming something greater. There is power in control. There is wisdom in harnessing the strengths of your enemy. I will rebuild what the Reapers have lost. I will create a future with limitless possibilities. I will protect and sustain. I will act as Guardian for the Reapers. And throughout it all, I will never forget. I will remember the ones who sacrificed themselves so that the Reapers could survive. And I will watch over the ones who live on. Those who carry the memory of the man I once was. The man who gave up his life to become the one who could save the Reapers.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 02 octobre 2012 - 11:50 .


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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Still catching up on the thread, suddenly had this realization.

The catalyst, AKA, the Guardian.

Q: What could he be guarding?
A: The reapers

In Control, Shepard supposedly becomes the new 'Guardian' right?

The answer is in the Control ending.

Just replace every instance of 'the many' with 'the Reapers', and you'll see what I mean.

Eternal. Infinite. Immortal. The man I was used these words, but only now do I truly understand them. And only now do I understand the true extent of the sacrifice. Through his death I was created. Through my birth, his thoughts are freed. They guide me now, give me reason, direction. Just as he gave direction the the ones who followed him, the ones who helped him achieve his purpose. Now my purpose. To give the Reapers hope for a future. To ensure that all have a voice in their future. The man I was knew that he could only achieve this by becoming something greater. There is power in control. There is wisdom in harnessing the strengths of your enemy. I will rebuild what the Reapers have lost. I will create a future with limitless possibilities. I will protect and sustain. I will act as Guardian for the Reapers. And throughout it all, I will never forget. I will remember the ones who sacrificed themselves so that the Reapers could survive. And I will watch over the ones who live on. Those who carry the memory of the man I once was. The man who gave up his life to become the one who could save the Reapers.

I always assumed it meant "Guardian of the Cycle" but that is creepy nonetheless.

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Anyhting new going on guys? When did they stick the AT-12 Raider in MP? I'm getting on for a few matches now..

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could just be bug fixes, but if that were the case, would it really be their "largest patch"? "been in dev for months"? "future things"?

Modifié par noobcannon, 03 octobre 2012 - 02:18 .


#28769
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Home run MF wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

They just put the AT-12 Raider in MP :wizard: 


Really? Really?? AWESOME!!!! Posted Image

Yes awesome. Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.

What will it be next week? Chakram Launcher? Valkyrie?

They also slipped a new gear bonus, something about Responder Loadout
It's interesting, what could it be?

Woot? Singularity redesign oO

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This may be in the thread already, but how do you explain Vendetta referring to Cerberus as "indoctrinated forces," only ever bringing up indoctrination when mentioning Cerberus and never showing indication that Shepard is indoctrinated?

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noobcannon wrote...

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could just be bug fixes, but if that were the case, would it really be their "largest patch"? "been in dev for months"? "future things"?

mb they patching in the scene they didn't get to work until November? :D

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noobcannon wrote...

*snip*

could just be bug fixes, but if that were the case, would it really be their "largest patch"? "been in dev for months"? "future things"?

Well, it's been months since the last patch, so it's not surprising that the upcoming patch has been in development for months and is also their largest. The future things is interesting, though. I'm guessing it will add code that will help facilitate the addition of a new enemy faction in MP (Hopefully Collectors). Much like BleedingUranium, I also suspect that IF that's the case, Omega and the next MP DLC will launch simultaneously, so as not to spoil the reveal. NYCC is next weekend, hoping we get announcements then.


Xilizhra wrote...

This may be in the thread already, but how do you explain Vendetta referring to Cerberus as "indoctrinated forces," only ever bringing up indoctrination when mentioning Cerberus and never showing indication that Shepard is indoctrinated?

Because Shepard isn't indoctrinated. Under IT, the indoctrination attempt doesn't occur until well after he speaks with Vendetta.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 03 octobre 2012 - 02:28 .


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Because Shepard isn't indoctrinated. Under IT, the indoctrination attempt doesn't occur until well after he speaks with Vendetta.

So there's no indoctrination at all until after Cronus Station?

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Xilizhra wrote...

Because Shepard isn't indoctrinated. Under IT, the indoctrination attempt doesn't occur until well after he speaks with Vendetta.

So there's no indoctrination at all until after Cronus Station?


The process of indoctrination has already begun (Probably sometime around the events of Arrival), but true indoctrination, the point at which Shepard either becomes indoctrinated or resists, doesn't occur until the endings.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Still catching up on the thread, suddenly had this realization.

The catalyst, AKA, the Guardian.

Q: What could he be guarding?
A: The reapers

In Control, Shepard supposedly becomes the new 'Guardian' right?

The answer is in the Control ending.

Just replace every instance of 'the many' with 'the Reapers', and you'll see what I mean.

Eternal. Infinite. Immortal. The man I was used these words, but only now do I truly understand them. And only now do I understand the true extent of the sacrifice. Through his death I was created. Through my birth, his thoughts are freed. They guide me now, give me reason, direction. Just as he gave direction the the ones who followed him, the ones who helped him achieve his purpose. Now my purpose. To give the Reapers hope for a future. To ensure that all have a voice in their future. The man I was knew that he could only achieve this by becoming something greater. There is power in control. There is wisdom in harnessing the strengths of your enemy. I will rebuild what the Reapers have lost. I will create a future with limitless possibilities. I will protect and sustain. I will act as Guardian for the Reapers. And throughout it all, I will never forget. I will remember the ones who sacrificed themselves so that the Reapers could survive. And I will watch over the ones who live on. Those who carry the memory of the man I once was. The man who gave up his life to become the one who could save the Reapers.


If each Reaper is a nation, the Reapers would indeed be the many...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 03 octobre 2012 - 02:55 .