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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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SwiftSlash wrote...

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Look near the sun!
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Link for full size. Goodnight.

Going forever and a day back, isnt time of day kind of odd? Remember the box art? Shep standing in rubble looking up at the heavens in full armor during daylight? Also, lets not forget the N7 armored hand helping up the bare hand on the CE box.

When in the entirety of ME3 has Shepard ever been in full armor fighting on Earth? This recurring imaging has got me thinking that it's not just for feel/effect. Prepare yourselves for the arrival of asskickery.


Yep, and the looking-up-with-a-Valiant-in-front-of-Big-Ben's-tower picture is on the back of the game case, while the Shepard-helping-Shepard-up picture is on the slip-on cover for the CE version! Everyone has to see one or the other every time they put the game in. It's just so in your face!

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I just love Shepard-helping-Shepard-uo picture - it might be migh favourite ME-related image. It is Just so awesome.

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My GF being a literal interpreter cannot wrap her head around it. She asks why no one picked up on this stuff as it was happening. She hates en my response: "That's how indoctrination works."

Then she spells out "nonookie".

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demersel wrote...

I just love Shepard-helping-Shepard-uo picture - it might be migh favourite ME-related image. It is Just so awesome.


For sure. It would be my background if it were background shaped. Since it's not, this FemShep one is Posted Image

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Going back to the picture, what the hell is that bleeding into the image from the right hand side? At first glimpse it looks like the Bioware B, but rounded at the bottom.

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SwiftSlash wrote...

Going back to the picture, what the hell is that bleeding into the image from the right hand side? At first glimpse it looks like the Bioware B, but rounded at the bottom.


It looks to be an overlay of another part of a city. You can see a bridge shaped thing, and some buildings that look to be far away, but in front of everything, like it's all a reflection. The thing is, there's no reflecting surface Posted Image

Here it is at it's biggest with the best ratio.

And here's the back cover one.

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Concerning the Earth DLC video, at around 0:27 there's this thing above/behind the shuttle:
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Is that Normandy?


Could be a Turian ship. It looks like a Turian ship and the Normandy was co-designed by Turians so I could understand the mistake.

It's a bird. Sorry. Posted Image

Ah, yes, I see it flapping its wings now in the few frames afterwards, before being obscured by the shuttle. Wasn't sure WTH it was before.

A line of questions that have been bothering me since finishing Leviathan this weekend: the "intelligence" and the "catalyst," are they the same thing? Is Starbrat/Harbinger the "intelligence"? Is the "intelligence" separate from Harbinger, if it's not masquerading as Starbrat?

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SwiftSlash wrote...

My GF being a literal interpreter cannot wrap her head around it. She asks why no one picked up on this stuff as it was happening. She hates en my response: "That's how indoctrination works."

Then she spells out "nonookie".

The best answer is 'actually they did'. I doubt anyone would be here today if no one picked up on the signs. Not many of us put the pieces together without prompting admittedly but the pieces were there.

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Kyrene wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Concerning the Earth DLC video, at around 0:27 there's this thing above/behind the shuttle:
image 1
Posted Imageimage 2[/url]

Is that Normandy?


Could be a Turian ship. It looks like a Turian ship and the Normandy was co-designed by Turians so I could understand the mistake.

It's a bird. Sorry. Posted Image

Ah, yes, I see it flapping its wings now in the few frames afterwards, before being obscured by the shuttle. Wasn't sure WTH it was before.

A line of questions that have been bothering me since finishing Leviathan this weekend: the "intelligence" and the "catalyst," are they the same thing? Is Starbrat/Harbinger the "intelligence"? Is the "intelligence" separate from Harbinger, if it's not masquerading as Starbrat?


While not explicitly stated in game, I think most of us believe that the Intelligence and Harbinger are one and the same, and he's the one tricking you.

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RavenEyry wrote...

SwiftSlash wrote...

My GF being a literal interpreter cannot wrap her head around it. She asks why no one picked up on this stuff as it was happening. She hates en my response: "That's how indoctrination works."

Then she spells out "nonookie".

The best answer is 'actually they did'. I doubt anyone would be here today if no one picked up on the signs. Not many of us put the pieces together without prompting admittedly but the pieces were there.


I've heard stories of everything from "This seems a little weird" to "Oh sh*t, I'm being indoctrinated", and everything in between.

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That new wallpaper is cool and all but a bit odd. I mean, the buildings on the right look like reflections, they're somewhat intangible. Someone on the last page said look near the sun, looks like some kind of dropship breaking through the sky. And some birds (or shattering glass) coming from the building.

Still, it's a nice wallpaper. Like a greeting card, "Shepard, Wish you were here."

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Still catching up on the thread, suddenly had this realization.

The catalyst, AKA, the Guardian.

Q: What could he be guarding?
A: The reapers

In Control, Shepard supposedly becomes the new 'Guardian' right?

The answer is in the Control ending.

Just replace every instance of 'the many' with 'the Reapers', and you'll see what I mean.

Eternal. Infinite. Immortal. The man I was used these words, but only now do I truly understand them. And only now do I understand the true extent of the sacrifice. Through his death I was created. Through my birth, his thoughts are freed. They guide me now, give me reason, direction. Just as he gave direction the the ones who followed him, the ones who helped him achieve his purpose. Now my purpose. To give the Reapers hope for a future. To ensure that all have a voice in their future. The man I was knew that he could only achieve this by becoming something greater. There is power in control. There is wisdom in harnessing the strengths of your enemy. I will rebuild what the Reapers have lost. I will create a future with limitless possibilities. I will protect and sustain. I will act as Guardian for the Reapers. And throughout it all, I will never forget. I will remember the ones who sacrificed themselves so that the Reapers could survive. And I will watch over the ones who live on. Those who carry the memory of the man I once was. The man who gave up his life to become the one who could save the Reapers.


I think you got something here, this sounds actually as creepy as the control ending actually is.

They fit perfect.

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Jusseb wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Still catching up on the thread, suddenly had this realization.

The catalyst, AKA, the Guardian.

Q: What could he be guarding?
A: The reapers

In Control, Shepard supposedly becomes the new 'Guardian' right?

The answer is in the Control ending.

Just replace every instance of 'the many' with 'the Reapers', and you'll see what I mean.

Eternal. Infinite. Immortal. The man I was used these words, but only now do I truly understand them. And only now do I understand the true extent of the sacrifice. Through his death I was created. Through my birth, his thoughts are freed. They guide me now, give me reason, direction. Just as he gave direction the the ones who followed him, the ones who helped him achieve his purpose. Now my purpose. To give the Reapers hope for a future. To ensure that all have a voice in their future. The man I was knew that he could only achieve this by becoming something greater. There is power in control. There is wisdom in harnessing the strengths of your enemy. I will rebuild what the Reapers have lost. I will create a future with limitless possibilities. I will protect and sustain. I will act as Guardian for the Reapers. And throughout it all, I will never forget. I will remember the ones who sacrificed themselves so that the Reapers could survive. And I will watch over the ones who live on. Those who carry the memory of the man I once was. The man who gave up his life to become the one who could save the Reapers.


I think you got something here, this sounds actually as creepy as the control ending actually is.

They fit perfect.


Even more interesting because originally the kid was going to be called "The Guardian" Posted Image

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BleedingUranium wrote...
Even more interesting because originally the kid was going to be called "The Guardian" Posted Image

I think that's where he got the 'AKA guardian' bit.:lol:

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RavenEyry wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
Even more interesting because originally the kid was going to be called "The Guardian" Posted Image

I think that's where he got the 'AKA guardian' bit.:lol:


Yeah... I'm tired Posted Image


Oh, and off topic, but here's what I think they're gonna do for MP releases:

-October 9th, 16th, & 23rd: Chakram Launcher, Punisher, & Adas (order unknown).

-October 30th: Omega (SP), Collectors, & Collector Rifle.

-November 6th (for N7 Day): Valkyrie.

If the next MP DLC turns out to be the last, maybe the Valiant, Crusader, Hurricane, & Eagle on N7 Day too.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 03 octobre 2012 - 09:11 .


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November is looking to be a busy month. Paragon Lost (or is that December?), Homeworlds graphic novel (all four comics in one volume), potentially Omega (if not released before then), and whatever MP goodies are left at that point.

Modifié par leonia42, 03 octobre 2012 - 09:21 .


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demersel wrote...

I just love Shepard-helping-Shepard-uo picture - it might be migh favourite ME-related image. It is Just so awesome.


Could anyone please post this image here? :)

Btw, regarding Control and "acting as guardian for the many": The "many" are not the reapers, it becomes evident in the renegade control ending: "I will end the bickering of the many". Control is, in fact, Shepard putting forward the reaper agenda - ending the chaos of the organics.

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Sareth Cousland wrote...

demersel wrote...

I just love Shepard-helping-Shepard-uo picture - it might be migh favourite ME-related image. It is Just so awesome.


Could anyone please post this image here? :)

Btw, regarding Control and "acting as guardian for the many": The "many" are not the reapers, it becomes evident in the renegade control ending: "I will end the bickering of the many". Control is, in fact, Shepard putting forward the reaper agenda - ending the chaos of the organics.


It's creepy either way! Posted Image

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BleedingUranium wrote...

*snip*


Oh wow... that's the image on the back of the CE steelbook? Thanks for posting.

I think that image from the launch trailer foreshadowing Shepard's indoctrination trial would have been great box art:
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Never saw that image before. You could tie it together with the destroy ending?!
I mean, Shepard was bare handed when his armor got blown off by Harbinger.

Or am i thinking to far here?

Also, Choose Wisely coming out tomorrow? Hope it's worth it.

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Sareth Cousland wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

*snip*


Oh wow... that's the image on the back of the CE steelbook? Thanks for posting.

I think that image from the launch trailer foreshadowing Shepard's indoctrination trial would have been great box art:
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Not the steelbook, but the cardboard case the steelbook goes into. Not that it makes much difference Posted Image

That is a cool shot, it should have been used somewhere.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

We really need new stuff to discuss Posted Image


Yeah, we do.

...  Though, this still beats yesterday's synthesis idiocy.

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I just posted a thread about the potential for conventional victory, which may have implications for IT.

Basically, if we believe the Catalyst when it tells us that every Reaper was designed to contain and preserve the essence of an entire civilisation or people, then the loss of a Reaper should be unthinkable.

And the more Reaper capital ships that are lost, the more unsustainable the cycle becomes.

Unless of course, the Catalyst is lying to us, and the Reapers actually preserve nothing of the harvested civilisations...

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Sareth Cousland wrote...

demersel wrote...

I just love Shepard-helping-Shepard-uo picture - it might be migh favourite ME-related image. It is Just so awesome.


Could anyone please post this image here? :)

Btw, regarding Control and "acting as guardian for the many": The "many" are not the reapers, it becomes evident in the renegade control ending: "I will end the bickering of the many". Control is, in fact, Shepard putting forward the reaper agenda - ending the chaos of the organics.


It's creepy either way! Posted Image

Click for full size
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This image reminds me of The Creation of Adam by Da Vinci. I know it's Shepard's hand but it looks a bit Synthetic. So the message is Organics' own creation helps them survive the Reaper disaster, lending a helping hand.

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leonia42 wrote...

November is looking to be a busy month. Paragon Lost (or is that December?), Homeworlds graphic novel (all four comics in one volume), potentially Omega (if not released before then), and whatever MP goodies are left at that point.

Paragon Lost is due December 28th.