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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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TSA_383 wrote...

From another thread on here:
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Looks like that blue hologram in the top-right is part of Omega.  With that, I'm guessing the red ship is Cerberus.  The blue dialogue below that has what looks like a Cerberus symbol.

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AresKeith wrote...

is that a Cat person in the back?


Looks like a salarian to me but the body shape says turian.. COULD IT BE A FEMTURIAN?!

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Yap..already mentioned it. Good thing someone else saw it too (cerberus symbol)

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Skillz1986 wrote...

@paxx..
When the hell does this happen? I only ever got two options..make him shot himself..or shoot him when he's about to end anderson

I think it's when you have sufficiently Renegade karma. Posted Image I didn't get it myself.

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Skillz1986 wrote...
You'd have to be the worst soldier in history if you did not vent him at this moment...just saying!

Yeah.  I think that was the point though.  A needlessly nice Paragon is not a good soldier.  Maybe a kind of 'hint hint' for the final chamber scene.  (Another one).  It definitely upset some players though.

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It's not like the renegade/paragon system has been consistent in any of the three games before. A paragon is more likely to use diplomacy when its an option, a renegade is more likely to shoot first and ask questions later. Neither is an absolute.

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leonia42 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

is that a Cat person in the back?


Looks like a salarian to me but the body shape says turian.. COULD IT BE A FEMTURIAN?!


and more reason to make my Spectre MP DLC lol

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On my main playthrough TIM said he was wrong, apologized and advised me to choose Destroy. I was like "WTF? You wanted Control and now you want me to go with Destroy while you take Control when I'm not looking. No way, dude. I choose to ascend!"

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This is my take on the IT theory...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

I believe it....except that I think Shepard actually survived Harbringer's blast and actually made it to the Citadel. His "hallucination" was after he passed out, when he met the "starchild".

The Crucible was already set for detonation when Shepard opened the Citadel and it attached...it just needed time.

The decision chamber was in Shepards head and it was an final attempt to indoctrinate him and stop him from destroying the reapers.

Control and Synthesis allowed the reapers to live and it stopped the detonation of the crucible and the killing of the reapers.

Destroy...which was actually just Shepard overcoming the indoctrination attempt....simply allowed the detonation to continue.

Shepard was the only one who could have stopped the Crucible from working at that point if he became indoctrinated.

So while the Citadel was our Catalyst for the Crucible...Shepard was the Reapers Catalyst for it.

As said previously...I also believe that the color choices for the options was part of the game design for this reason. A way to let the player themselves be part of the indoctrination attempt.



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So maybe we can compile what we know from that picture?
Obvious ones:
--Fighting with/against Cerberus (I say "with" because I really like the the Cerberus General they introduced in the comics and because the Adjutants may have regained control of Omega/Collector Base)

--Obviously Omega will be heavily DLC centric, unlike Leviathan where we were bouncing all around the galaxy

--Add Adjutants/Collector faction to gameplay (For SPDLC then for MPDLC)

OK now some not so obvious or rather mysterious ones:

--New squadmate? A characeter (easily seen and already noted in the screenshot) Is not Aria, seemingly resembles Kasumi, but I doubt it is her.

--Don't know how the Patch will affect the DLC

--May return Omega as a hub

--May add more importance to the Collector Base

Who knows? Anymore ideas guys?

Edit: I also remember that there were multiple bases beyond the Omega-4 relay, the Adjutants only came from one lab station

Modifié par NebuchadnezzaRT, 03 octobre 2012 - 04:55 .


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The ending to Mass Effect 3 is psychedelic.

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CDR David Shepard wrote...
This is my take on the IT theory...
*snip*

It's pretty similar to mine.  I wanna make a thread for it but dunno what to call it.  "Literal Indoctrination Theory" has a whole bunch of problems that I don't wanna go into.

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paxxton wrote...

The ending to Mass Effect 3 is psychedelic.

Reference Fellish's video..... 
http://www.youtube.c...fNOG7E9DnU]Here[/url]


:wizard: Ha! Got it! Named hyperlinks rock! 

Modifié par NebuchadnezzaRT, 03 octobre 2012 - 05:01 .


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I think the most important question about Omega is, will there be patriarch?

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The bigger question is, will we learn more about Gavorn's tricks?

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Gavorn and Aria for Temperary Squadmates lol

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Skillz1986 wrote...

@paxxton...described it a page before..the rectangular shape inbetween the mako's wheels. People dismissed there was a malo in the breath scene because makos do not have rectangular shapes between the wheels as seen in the breath scene..well, they do

Well it's not what was mentioned. All things you can see in the breath scene have a much higher depth than that.

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NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The ending to Mass Effect 3 is psychedelic.

Reference Fellish's video..... 
http://www.youtube.c...fNOG7E9DnU]Here[/url]


:wizard: Ha! Got it! Named hyperlinks rock! 

He was attacked by mad crows. Thatisthisthatisit. Posted Image

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paxxton wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

@paxx..
When the hell does this happen? I only ever got two options..make him shot himself..or shoot him when he's about to end anderson

I think it's when you have sufficiently Renegade karma. Posted Image I didn't get it myself.

Uhm isn't it in ME3 that if you have the paragon way you also have the renegade way? Anyways this happens if you use the renegade (red) option. He's shooting Anderson only if you use the white options.

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Hmmm I wonder if choosing control could be the equivalent of Shepard shooting himself Saren/TIM style. Realizing he's indoctrinated but sacrificing himself before he can do any damage to the galaxy.

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Sovereign, Harbinger...and Guardian?

Guys.... A thought accured to me, while i was out today - The kid in the citadel - is called a Guardian, right? You know what it could be? It could be a third reaper title! You know how reapers have titles, given to them by those who witness them? And that title is dependant on how this person percieves that particular reaper and it's function.
Saren called the reaper in ME1 Sovereign - cause that is what he thought it was A Sovereign, Master of the entire universe. We know that the geth know the same reaper to call itself Nazara.

Shepard called the reaper in ME2 Harbinger - because that is what it was for him - a harbinger of things to come - the reaper itself used this word in that context and thus it became a Nikname, for the lack of a better thing.

so We have Sovereign, Harbinger... and.. Gurdian? Because let's face it - the last reaper we see in Mass Effect 3 is kinda guarding something (and i know that it is supposed to be Harbinger, but that is certainly not what it call itself, it is just a nikname originating form its function at the moment - and at the moment that reaper is standing guard)

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demersel wrote...

Sovereign, Harbinger...and Guardian?

Guys.... A thought accured to me, while i was out today - The kid in the citadel - is called a Guardian, right? You know what it could be? It could be a third reaper title! You know how reapers have titles, given to them by those who witness them? And that title is dependant on how this person percieves that particular reaper and it's function.
Saren called the reaper in ME1 Sovereign - cause that is what he thought it was A Sovereign, Master of the entire universe. We know that the geth know the same reaper to call itself Nazara.

Shepard called the reaper in ME2 Harbinger - because that is what it was for him - a harbinger of things to come - the reaper itself used this word in that context and thus it became a Nikname, for the lack of a better thing.

so We have Sovereign, Harbinger... and.. Gurdian? Because let's face it - the last reaper we see in Mass Effect 3 is kinda guarding something (and i know that it is supposed to be Harbinger, but that is certainly not what it call itself, it is just a nikname originating form its function at the moment - and at the moment that reaper is standing guard)

I can just see a big a** Reaper crawling up the Synth-a-hole for a final confrontation with Shep, boss fight, dialogue, whatever. 

Good catch!

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demersel wrote...

Sovereign, Harbinger...and Guardian?

Guys.... A thought accured to me, while i was out today - The kid in the citadel - is called a Guardian, right? You know what it could be? It could be a third reaper title! You know how reapers have titles, given to them by those who witness them? And that title is dependant on how this person percieves that particular reaper and it's function.
Saren called the reaper in ME1 Sovereign - cause that is what he thought it was A Sovereign, Master of the entire universe. We know that the geth know the same reaper to call itself Nazara.

Shepard called the reaper in ME2 Harbinger - because that is what it was for him - a harbinger of things to come - the reaper itself used this word in that context and thus it became a Nikname, for the lack of a better thing.

so We have Sovereign, Harbinger... and.. Gurdian? Because let's face it - the last reaper we see in Mass Effect 3 is kinda guarding something (and i know that it is supposed to be Harbinger, but that is certainly not what it call itself, it is just a nikname originating form its function at the moment - and at the moment that reaper is standing guard)

Even more shocking, what if the Reaper by the beam is not Harbinger!? But another one that looks similar because it's from the same breed. What if there is a ruling caste of Reapers with 6 eyes each!

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paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

Sovereign, Harbinger...and Guardian?

Guys.... A thought accured to me, while i was out today - The kid in the citadel - is called a Guardian, right? You know what it could be? It could be a third reaper title! You know how reapers have titles, given to them by those who witness them? And that title is dependant on how this person percieves that particular reaper and it's function.
Saren called the reaper in ME1 Sovereign - cause that is what he thought it was A Sovereign, Master of the entire universe. We know that the geth know the same reaper to call itself Nazara.

Shepard called the reaper in ME2 Harbinger - because that is what it was for him - a harbinger of things to come - the reaper itself used this word in that context and thus it became a Nikname, for the lack of a better thing.

so We have Sovereign, Harbinger... and.. Gurdian? Because let's face it - the last reaper we see in Mass Effect 3 is kinda guarding something (and i know that it is supposed to be Harbinger, but that is certainly not what it call itself, it is just a nikname originating form its function at the moment - and at the moment that reaper is standing guard)

Even more shocking, what if the Reaper by the beam is not Harbinger!? But another one that looks similar because it's from the same breed. What if there is a ruling caste of Reapers with 6 eyes each!


Exactly  - we only assue it's the harbinger cause he's the only one we know. 

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Anderson might have mistaken that Reaper for Harbinger based on Shepard's description of how Harby looks.

Modifié par paxxton, 03 octobre 2012 - 05:50 .