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RavenEyry wrote...

Another zany scheme from MB? I assume everyone advised against it as usual.


Pretty much, yeah

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BleedingUranium wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Another zany scheme from MB? I assume everyone advised against it as usual.


Pretty much, yeah


Just sent him a pm warning him what Stan said. Hopefully he doesn't get himself banned. I know he really likes coming on the bsn and despite his zany schemes he contributes and is a great kid with a big heart.

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I know that Jessica Merizan is not considered a very reliable source of information, but this sounds bad:

https://twitter.com/...646722563485696

She even goes so far as to state "what you saw is all you'll get on the matter". Ties in very well with what Tully Auckland said.

Well, that's disappointing.

EDIT: Just saw that's old news, copied the link from the "one last plea" thread - but still, doesn't sound so good...

Modifié par Sareth Cousland, 04 octobre 2012 - 08:42 .


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Yes, they keep saying that and I keep being suspicious of how incredibly stupid it is.

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Sareth Cousland wrote...

I know that Jessica Merizan is not considered a very reliable source of information, but this sounds bad:

https://twitter.com/...646722563485696

She even goes so far as to state "what you saw is all you'll get on the matter". Ties in very well with what Tully Auckland said.

Well, that's disappointing.

EDIT: Just saw that's old news, copied the link from the "one last plea" thread - but still, doesn't sound so good...


The only thing we've heard from "official" people always says that "Mass Effect 3 is the end of Shepard's story". I think Merizan is just stating what she believe that means.

"End of Shepard's story" is what I'm sticking with.

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I don't think so. Why should she categorically deny any reveal DLC instead of saying "you'll have to wait and see" (i.e. buy all DLC until finally you realize there is no reveal DLC)?

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Sareth Cousland wrote...

I know that Jessica Merizan is not considered a very reliable source of information, but this sounds bad:

https://twitter.com/...646722563485696

She even goes so far as to state "what you saw is all you'll get on the matter". Ties in very well with what Tully Auckland said.

Well, that's disappointing.

EDIT: Just saw that's old news, copied the link from the "one last plea" thread - but still, doesn't sound so good...

I fell for it too. But the community managers have been very very wrong before. I didn't like it either, but Mike Gamble refuses to comment on it. If it truly was official and final I don't see any reason why he,wouldnt confirm those quotes. 

In fact, I sent that string of quotes to him and the only one he answered was the Me3 is the end of Shepard's story one. Why would he be willing to officially state that but not the other?

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 04 octobre 2012 - 08:51 .


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spotlessvoid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Presidium Groundskeeper: Everything would be so much simpler if we all had the same DNA. But no, the universe loves diversity


Looking back, I hate that guy now.


I like that the only non-indoctrinated person pushing synthesis is the janitor.

I wouldn't say that. If the Citadel is also capable of indoctrinating (as being a Reaper designed and build artifact), as a janitor/groundskeeper he must have come into contact with some of the shadier parts of the Citadel more than most.

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I've no problem with things being left vague in media when it's appropriate, but it'd just be ridiculous here.

Letting everyone decide for themselves whether they want a stupid nonsensical ending or a sublime cliffhanger that will never be resolved is just completely bonkers, especially when there's plans for more games.

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Lol I guess anything is possible Kyrene.

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I fell for it too. But the community managers have been very very wrong before. I didn't like it either, but Mike Gamble refuses to comment on it. If it truly was official and final I don't see any reason why he,wouldnt confirm those quotes. 


Well I hope you're right. What I can say is that their PR isn't handled very competently, but from a business perspective (in regard to future titles) it would not make any sense to leave the ending in the current state. A post-ME3 game would need to address the ending, a pre- or during-ME3 game would not raise nearly as much interest (unless it's a Reaper war multiplayer spin-off, which I am really hoping it not to be).

Well, we'll have to wait and see.

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RavenEyry wrote...

I've no problem with things being left vague in media when it's appropriate, but it'd just be ridiculous here.

Letting everyone decide for themselves whether they want a stupid nonsensical ending or a sublime cliffhanger that will never be resolved is just completely bonkers, especially when there's plans for more games.

Time will tell. Literalist can say what they want, but the themes, lore, and on screen content is there. We didn't just make some random **** up. One thing is for sure with me. I will either be buying elsewhere,or they will have earned a loyal customer

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RavenEyry wrote...

I've no problem with things being left vague in media when it's appropriate, but it'd just be ridiculous here.

Letting everyone decide for themselves whether they want a stupid nonsensical ending or a sublime cliffhanger that will never be resolved is just completely bonkers, especially when there's plans for more games.


Definitely. Especially when you consider that in IT (unlike WNT), the war is still going on.

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Sareth Cousland wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...
I fell for it too. But the community managers have been very very wrong before. I didn't like it either, but Mike Gamble refuses to comment on it. If it truly was official and final I don't see any reason why he,wouldnt confirm those quotes. 


Well I hope you're right. What I can say is that their PR isn't handled very competently, but from a business perspective (in regard to future titles) it would not make any sense to leave the ending in the current state. A post-ME3 game would need to address the ending, a pre- or during-ME3 game would not raise nearly as much interest (unless it's a Reaper war multiplayer spin-off, which I am really hoping it not to be).

Well, we'll have to wait and see.


I feel ya. I tried to make my exit after that debacle, but some good friends and the realization that Jessica really wouldn't know and that Mike and Casey have refused to even acknowledge those statments made me reconsider. I'm ok with waiting (lol not really but no choice) because one way or another I'm going to know what Bioware truly is.

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...nemesis (**** if I know the proper plural of that)

That would be nemeses. I only learnt that in the MP forum when there was a thread about them (and what they say) once.

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I feel ya. I tried to make my exit after that debacle, but some good friends and the realization that Jessica really wouldn't know and that Mike and Casey have refused to even acknowledge those statments made me reconsider. I'm ok with waiting (lol not really but no choice) because one way or another I'm going to know what Bioware truly is.


Same here. I think the IT evidence is so strong it is pretty clear what the ending is meant to be. Nevertheless, a reveal and continuation is necessary, as you don't finish a trilogy with an open ending and an ongoing central conflict.

I come here just because I'm interested to see how things play out. ME3 was still a great game, I'm also having fun with the multiplayer, but in the end, how they choose to resolve this issue will pretty much determine what Bioware is nowadays, as you already said. A similar thing applies to what they'll have to show of DA3.

Meanwhile, I'll just finish my playthrough of the Witcher 2 (which, aside from a few gameplay problems, is awesome by the way).

Modifié par Sareth Cousland, 04 octobre 2012 - 09:11 .


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Never played it. Just cannot get into medieval fantasy. Games, books, doesn't matter. From what I can tell it doesn't seem like many here share that sentiment, but I've just never been interested. Of course I made an exception for J Double R.

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Interview with Casey Hudson (Director) http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.”




That was in January. Could Casey really be that full of it? This only becomes true with IT plus DLC

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 04 octobre 2012 - 09:34 .


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Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer) http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

That was right before launch. That would be a massive lie. Unless IT+DLC

Also a week before launching:

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer) http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…”

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Never played it. Just cannot get into medieval fantasy. Games, books, doesn't matter. From what I can tell it doesn't seem like many here share that sentiment, but I've just never been interested. Of course I made an exception for J Double R.


I fully agree with this statement Posted Image

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How come Bioware haven't been crucified for THEIR LIES yet?? Unless, these were not lies.....

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How come Bioware haven't been crucified for THEIR LIES yet?? Unless, these were not lies.....

They have. It's just they refuse to admit fault to entitled whiners and no one outside the fanbase is gonna call them on it.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director) http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.”




That was in January. Could Casey really be that full of it? This only becomes true with IT plus DLC


Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer) http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

That was right before launch. That would be a massive lie. Unless IT+DLC

Also a week before launching:

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer) http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…”


It's just so... stupid for them to say this if there isn't more coming Posted Image

The Rachni one has always held my attention, as it's so specific. Why bother mentioning any of this at all if it wasn't true? This was all information they volunteered without prompt. No one asked "Are the endings going to be ABC?" they said it because... why, if not IT?

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RavenEyry wrote...

szkasypcze wrote...

How come Bioware haven't been crucified for THEIR LIES yet?? Unless, these were not lies.....

They have. It's just they refuse to admit fault to entitled whiners and no one outside the fanbase is gonna call them on it.


fanbase=entitled whiners??? You have future ahead of you.Posted Image

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BleedingUranium wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director) http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.”




That was in January. Could Casey really be that full of it? This only becomes true with IT plus DLC


Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer) http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

That was right before launch. That would be a massive lie. Unless IT+DLC

Also a week before launching:

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer) http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…”


It's just so... stupid for them to say this if there isn't more coming Posted Image

The Rachni one has always held my attention, as it's so specific. Why bother mentioning any of this at all if it wasn't true? This was all information they volunteered without prompt. No one asked "Are the endings going to be ABC?" they said it because... why, if not IT?


Yeah the Rachni bit is just...wow...I mean we dont even see or hear a single Rachni during the final hours of the game (not counting Ravagers).

I have given my bid on how Bioware can salvage that statement in an IT related manner, hope they are thinking the same.