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[masster blaster]

Why are you groaning Badger?

[Rifneno]

masster blaster wrote...

Why are you groaning Badger?

Natural reaction to hellish's name.  I miss when he was respectable.

[Restrider]

Rifneno wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So Restrider have you created the poll yet? Also Hellishes video comes out today. It's the 4th of October.

<groan>

Nah, actually I wanted to collect 10 reasons, flesh them out a little bit and then start the polls.
I think I'll do a poll for each place:
First poll will be about the most important reason (e.g. the number one).
After that is settled, this number one reason will be removed in the next poll, where the second place is going to be determined, etc etc etc.

So, give me reasons 9 and 10 and I'll be happy!

Modifié par Restrider, 04 octobre 2012 - 01:24 .

[masster blaster]

He still is in my book sure he may um go overboard with what he clams, but overall it goodish.

[estebanus]

You... You didn't seriously create an alternate account to hate on synthesisers, right, Masster Blaster? Please tell me you didn't.

[Restrider]

Restrider wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So Restrider have you created the poll yet? Also Hellishes video comes out today. It's the 4th of October.

<groan>

Nah, actually I wanted to collect 10 reasons, flesh them out a little bit and then start the polls.
I think I'll do a poll for each place:
First poll will be about the most important reason (e.g. the number one).
After that is settled, this number one reason will be removed in the next poll, where the second place is going to be determined, etc etc etc.

So, give me reasons 9 and 10 and I'll be happy!

Well, while writing what I have quoted I fried the device I had to analyze . Three days of work for nothing (one was a holiday, so actually only two days)...
At least I can go home now.

[masster blaster]

No. I didn't Estebauns. Honestly what do you take me for.

[masster blaster]

You know when Bioware says the FOB is your final goodbye to your squadmates, could it also mean what ever ending you pick will either let this be the last time you will ever talk to your squad, or the Reapers Indoctrinate Shepard in Control,and Synthesis, and that could mean Shepard won't listen to them anymore.

[Jere85]

Hey guys, i havent been keeping track of this place for a while, i heard today there would be some patch that might set up for the future of me3? is there any news on that front? is it implemented yet?

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

No. I didn't Estebauns. Honestly what do you take me for.

I dunno. I'd actually trust you to do that, which is pretty scary in itself.
Remember theorythesis? Yeah, that's what I'm referring to.

[Davik Kang]

Judas Bock wrote...

Regarding the end choices resembling the dialogue wheel I just had a very random speculation burst, which really doesn't mean anything, but I'm bored, so I'll post it anyway.

If it is a representation of the dialogue wheel, and control is paragon and destroy renegade, then synthesis is the middle or "neutral" option, right? But they chose to entirely remove the neutral options from the game, because you have to take a stand.

Now, sure, synthesis is not neutral, and choosing it is still taking a stand, but throughout the game we have been conditioned to pick either of the extremes, since there is no middle ground, even in situations where a middle ground would make sense, like in conversations with crew and squaddies.

So in addition to everything else synthesis has going against it, the dialogue wheel also tells us not to choose it. Perhaps this means that synthesis really is game over, and in the eventual IT DLC you get to see indoctrinated Shepard kill off his squad and celebrate the reaper victory with the husks, but with control there is still a chance to escape indoctrination, depending on the choices you've made (perhaps your LI can bring you back if you brought him/her along with you, or perhaps Bakara's crystal can aid you).

Yeah, just some random rambling/induction port-grasping...

Couldn't help but chime in here.  I agree that Synthesis is very much presented as a neutral option, and you can see it as a Paragon / Renegade compromise as well.  But the game has always been about firm choices like you said.  You're a soldier, not a politician - you're Anderson's protogé, not Udina's.  And I think this is another clue about the true nature of the ending.

The way the ReaperKid presents it is very much like a politician presenting his preferred option.  "Solution A isn't working any more, but here I have solution B.  And this is good for you, Shepard, because it means everybody lives, and we enter a brave new world without war, or fighting, just new super-advanced lifeforms.  And we'll all be friends".  [It's not a total Paragon choice because, as Shepard points out, it involves changing all life in the galaxy without their consent.]

So yeah, I think the dialogue wheel analogy you made is correct, and a clue that it's a trick, a "too good to be true" option for a Shepard wanting to reach a compromise.  (For me it's another reason why the end is so good, but I won't get much support fot that here!)  

Btw, I don't think you can come back after Control because I think you have actually died in submitting yourself to the Reapers, effectively becoming Reaper food like the bodies outside, just a better-preserved version, perhaps even giving your knowledge to the Reapers.

[Rifneno]

Jere85 wrote...

Hey guys, i havent been keeping track of this place for a while, i heard today there would be some patch that might set up for the future of me3? is there any news on that front? is it implemented yet?

The patch is mostly MP bug fixes that we needed in April.

[masster blaster]

Come on that goes all the way back to the Mark 2 thread. It was when trolls, and Literalist people would come on here everyday, and I had to do something.

[RavenEyry]

masster blaster wrote...

No. I didn't Estebauns. Honestly what do you take me for.

Don't even joke about it in future because apparently it makes moderators warn all of us.

[GethPrimeMKII]

masster blaster wrote...

Come on that goes all the way back to the Mark 2 thread. It was when trolls, and Literalist people would come on here everyday, and I had to do something.

Drastic actions just give the guys who bash you more ammo to work with. You don't want that. 

[masster blaster]

Okay guys school is starting see you during luch.

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

Come on that goes all the way back to the Mark 2 thread. It was when trolls, and Literalist people would come on here everyday, and I had to do something.

You accomplished nothing. What you did there was simply stupid. It actually became worse for a few days because you also started advocating the IT to other, uninterested people, who then came to the thread and trolled us.

Look, next time you get any crazy ideas about doing something, keep it to yourself. Nothing good will ever come of it. Stan proved that, didn't he?

Modifié par estebanus, 04 octobre 2012 - 01:43 .

[Rifneno]

RavenEyry wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

No. I didn't Estebauns. Honestly what do you take me for.

Don't even joke about it in future because apparently it makes moderators warn all of us.

Some guy in California just got caught speeding.  CONSIDER THIS A WARNING!

[estebanus]

Well, back to playing Skyrim again.

[KyreneZA]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

OH AND CHECK OUT THIS LITTLE COPY OF THE DECISION CHAMBER SCENE, MAYBE THAT WILL CLUE YOU IN!

Pic or it didn't happen...

Honestly though, are you referring to the three Levis with Shepard's mech in the foreground or something else?

- Shepard is on hands and knees, child walks up to him and says "Wake up."
- Shepard is on hands and knees, Ann walks up to him and says "Breathe."

The "Breathe." line is weird, it's clearly just there to mirror the "Wake up."

The similarities between the two scenes are meant to clarify that what's actually going on in the decision chamber. Because in Leviathan, you know you are looking at an illusion, because even though you see Ann Bryson, you still hear the Leviathan's voice. Plus, the first thing he says after "Breathe." is "Your mind belongs to me now." Then he goes on to explain that he's using your memories to build the illusion. ("Your memories will give voice to our words.")

Moments later, he explains that all Reapers have this power to influence organics, only the Reapers have perfected it to indoctrination. In other words, Reapers have a mind control power just like the Leviathans, which lets them build illusions from your memories, and they can do it even better than the Leviathans themselves.

The implications of this are driven home by the similiarities between the first moment of the Leviathan mind control and the first moment in the decision chamber.

Every time we see Shepard on hands and knees, there is some form of mind control going on.

- The blast from Object Rho gets Shepard on hands and knees.
- Leviathan's mind control gets Shepard on hands and knees.
- Shepard falls on hands and knees moments after Harbinger's blast.
- Beginning of the decision chamber scene.

Ah, thanks DD. I wasn't exactly sure which parts of that scene you referred to.

[smokingotter1]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

OH AND CHECK OUT THIS LITTLE COPY OF THE DECISION CHAMBER SCENE, MAYBE THAT WILL CLUE YOU IN!

Pic or it didn't happen...

Honestly though, are you referring to the three Levis with Shepard's mech in the foreground or something else?

- Shepard is on hands and knees, child walks up to him and says "Wake up."
- Shepard is on hands and knees, Ann walks up to him and says "Breathe."

The "Breathe." line is weird, it's clearly just there to mirror the "Wake up."

The similarities between the two scenes are meant to clarify that what's actually going on in the decision chamber. Because in Leviathan, you know you are looking at an illusion, because even though you see Ann Bryson, you still hear the Leviathan's voice. Plus, the first thing he says after "Breathe." is "Your mind belongs to me now." Then he goes on to explain that he's using your memories to build the illusion. ("Your memories will give voice to our words.")

Moments later, he explains that all Reapers have this power to influence organics, only the Reapers have perfected it to indoctrination. In other words, Reapers have a mind control power just like the Leviathans, which lets them build illusions from your memories, and they can do it even better than the Leviathans themselves.

The implications of this are driven home by the similiarities between the first moment of the Leviathan mind control and the first moment in the decision chamber.

Every time we see Shepard on hands and knees, there is some form of mind control going on.

- The blast from Object Rho gets Shepard on hands and knees.
- Leviathan's mind control gets Shepard on hands and knees.
- Shepard falls on hands and knees moments after Harbinger's blast.
- Beginning of the decision chamber scene.

Sounds crazy to me...







I just don't see it.

[smokingotter1]

Davik Kang wrote...

Judas Bock wrote...

Regarding the end choices resembling the dialogue wheel I just had a very random speculation burst, which really doesn't mean anything, but I'm bored, so I'll post it anyway.

If it is a representation of the dialogue wheel, and control is paragon and destroy renegade, then synthesis is the middle or "neutral" option, right? But they chose to entirely remove the neutral options from the game, because you have to take a stand.

Now, sure, synthesis is not neutral, and choosing it is still taking a stand, but throughout the game we have been conditioned to pick either of the extremes, since there is no middle ground, even in situations where a middle ground would make sense, like in conversations with crew and squaddies.

So in addition to everything else synthesis has going against it, the dialogue wheel also tells us not to choose it. Perhaps this means that synthesis really is game over, and in the eventual IT DLC you get to see indoctrinated Shepard kill off his squad and celebrate the reaper victory with the husks, but with control there is still a chance to escape indoctrination, depending on the choices you've made (perhaps your LI can bring you back if you brought him/her along with you, or perhaps Bakara's crystal can aid you).

Yeah, just some random rambling/induction port-grasping...

Couldn't help but chime in here.  I agree that Synthesis is very much presented as a neutral option, and you can see it as a Paragon / Renegade compromise as well.  But the game has always been about firm choices like you said.  You're a soldier, not a politician - you're Anderson's protogé, not Udina's.  And I think this is another clue about the true nature of the ending.

The way the ReaperKid presents it is very much like a politician presenting his preferred option.  "Solution A isn't working any more, but here I have solution B.  And this is good for you, Shepard, because it means everybody lives, and we enter a brave new world without war, or fighting, just new super-advanced lifeforms.  And we'll all be friends".  [It's not a total Paragon choice because, as Shepard points out, it involves changing all life in the galaxy without their consent.]

So yeah, I think the dialogue wheel analogy you made is correct, and a clue that it's a trick, a "too good to be true" option for a Shepard wanting to reach a compromise.  (For me it's another reason why the end is so good, but I won't get much support fot that here!)  

Btw, I don't think you can come back after Control because I think you have actually died in submitting yourself to the Reapers, effectively becoming Reaper food like the bodies outside, just a better-preserved version, perhaps even giving your knowledge to the Reapers.

That is why you needed  a certain EMS level to unlock synthesis. If your Shepard has a high EMS that Shepard has been working harder to unite the galaxy. Shepard through his/her actions has expressed a need to unite the galaxy, resolve conflicts in order to save it from the reapers and is thus- more open (or desperate) for that perfect solution that will save everyone.

Also players who played all three ME games will be more likely to max out their EMS, it's kind of a nod to you experienced players, the goal is for you the player to say "oh wait.... that sounds like Saren's ideology!" A reward for experienced players: an extra bad ending. Players who are new to ME might not max out their EMS, so offering them the choice of synthesis is a bit unfair, since they have not played ME1.

Modifié par smokingotter1, 04 octobre 2012 - 02:08 .

[Dwailing]

smokingotter1 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

OH AND CHECK OUT THIS LITTLE COPY OF THE DECISION CHAMBER SCENE, MAYBE THAT WILL CLUE YOU IN!

Pic or it didn't happen...

Honestly though, are you referring to the three Levis with Shepard's mech in the foreground or something else?

- Shepard is on hands and knees, child walks up to him and says "Wake up."
- Shepard is on hands and knees, Ann walks up to him and says "Breathe."

The "Breathe." line is weird, it's clearly just there to mirror the "Wake up."

The similarities between the two scenes are meant to clarify that what's actually going on in the decision chamber. Because in Leviathan, you know you are looking at an illusion, because even though you see Ann Bryson, you still hear the Leviathan's voice. Plus, the first thing he says after "Breathe." is "Your mind belongs to me now." Then he goes on to explain that he's using your memories to build the illusion. ("Your memories will give voice to our words.")

Moments later, he explains that all Reapers have this power to influence organics, only the Reapers have perfected it to indoctrination. In other words, Reapers have a mind control power just like the Leviathans, which lets them build illusions from your memories, and they can do it even better than the Leviathans themselves.

The implications of this are driven home by the similiarities between the first moment of the Leviathan mind control and the first moment in the decision chamber.

Every time we see Shepard on hands and knees, there is some form of mind control going on.

- The blast from Object Rho gets Shepard on hands and knees.
- Leviathan's mind control gets Shepard on hands and knees.
- Shepard falls on hands and knees moments after Harbinger's blast.
- Beginning of the decision chamber scene.

Sounds crazy to me...







I just don't see it.

I know, right?  It's just so obvious that there's nothing going on because there's no way that BioWare could be that clever, right?  I mean, ever since the ending, they've been sucky writers incapable of creating a good story, despite the evidence to the contrary.  But no, they suck, and they could never ever come up with a good twist.

[KyreneZA]

Two other things I wanted clarity on:

What is the concensus regarding a Shepard that was never part of Arrival or Project Overlord? (I never paid for any ME2 DLC, so my Shepards are all unaware of SB Liara and blameless for the Alpha Relay)

Has concensus been reached about what Shepard actually does if choosing Control and still being in front of the beam in London? Has anyone been able to flycam that area and see what's all around the beam on the left-hand side?

[MajorKellyRisner]

Just need to do 9 and 10 then do a few fixes and it will be done Hopefully it will be out in two hour or so.