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[smokingotter1]

SwobyJ wrote...

*mega snip*

lololololol

Harbinger is the big bad, the real Intelligence. Why are people so blindddddddd. He's the leader, and basically has all of the OTHER Reapers indoctrinated under his heel. He's the biggest rogue AI I've seen in my life.

They say this cat is a bad motherf--
-Shut yo mouth!-
But I'm talkin' about Harbinger
-Then we can dig it-


Edit: I knew one day I would make it on top, and it had to be my dumbest post ever.

Modifié par smokingotter1, 04 octobre 2012 - 07:39 .

[BleedingUranium]

SwobyJ wrote...

plfranke wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

I'm sorry, has something big happened? I just got here.

Just Harbinger... he's back. Brace yourselfs, speculations are coming....

How I imagine MP games will be when Harbinger shows up:

Harbingers back?! He's appearing in MP?! *Gets on knees and looks up: Hallelujah! 

Watch the trailer! He's as arrogant as ever. How people can think that the Catalyst is trustworthy in any way, is beyond me now.

I don't know, if you listen to Harbinger in the new trailer it's just more evidence that the reapers are misunderstood and have our best interest at heart.

Also is anyone else hearing a buzzing noise?

lololololol

Harbinger is the big bad, the real Intelligence. Why are people so blindddddddd. He's the leader, and basically has all of the OTHER Reapers indoctrinated under his heel. He's the biggest rogue AI I've seen in my life.

I think the reason people are so "blind" is there is no definitive evidence to prove this. Imagine if we had a trial to convict Harbinger as the Catalyst. Would you really have the evidence to get people to find him guilty? I mean it's good speculation but let's refrain from talking about it like absolute fact.

I've never needed definitive proof in other stories for things right in front of my face.

I guess it is my writer's mind, but this is kind of how specuation even works, in fiction.

It's like the Joker's Sister story. Even if we listen to the whole thing, I guess unless Joker himself confirms what exactly happened, in detail, there will be people that say "Nah, its just speculation. It might be Joker's sister, but we don't know."
masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Jeff_%22Joker%22_Moreau

(I believe this story was deliberate in style, by the way. Many of ME3's mini-stories are.)

It's called inference. Harbinger has 'inferred' pretty much the whole plot with ME3-Shepard since ME2-Horizon, but that still isn't enough for many people yet. I understand that, but it does make me /facepalm at this point.

And sadly, those are the people that run the wiki. Even the possiblity of it being Joker's sister can't be mentioned!

[Rifneno]

The wikia mods are morons. One of the devs even confirmed it's Joker's sister, saying they were wondering how long it would take players to figure it out.

[plfranke]

BleedingUranium wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

plfranke wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

I'm sorry, has something big happened? I just got here.

Just Harbinger... he's back. Brace yourselfs, speculations are coming....

How I imagine MP games will be when Harbinger shows up:

Harbingers back?! He's appearing in MP?! *Gets on knees and looks up: Hallelujah! 

Watch the trailer! He's as arrogant as ever. How people can think that the Catalyst is trustworthy in any way, is beyond me now.

I don't know, if you listen to Harbinger in the new trailer it's just more evidence that the reapers are misunderstood and have our best interest at heart.

Also is anyone else hearing a buzzing noise?

lololololol

Harbinger is the big bad, the real Intelligence. Why are people so blindddddddd. He's the leader, and basically has all of the OTHER Reapers indoctrinated under his heel. He's the biggest rogue AI I've seen in my life.

I think the reason people are so "blind" is there is no definitive evidence to prove this. Imagine if we had a trial to convict Harbinger as the Catalyst. Would you really have the evidence to get people to find him guilty? I mean it's good speculation but let's refrain from talking about it like absolute fact.

I've never needed definitive proof in other stories for things right in front of my face.

I guess it is my writer's mind, but this is kind of how specuation even works, in fiction.

It's like the Joker's Sister story. Even if we listen to the whole thing, I guess unless Joker himself confirms what exactly happened, in detail, there will be people that say "Nah, its just speculation. It might be Joker's sister, but we don't know."
masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Jeff_%22Joker%22_Moreau

(I believe this story was deliberate in style, by the way. Many of ME3's mini-stories are.)

It's called inference. Harbinger has 'inferred' pretty much the whole plot with ME3-Shepard since ME2-Horizon, but that still isn't enough for many people yet. I understand that, but it does make me /facepalm at this point.

And sadly, those are the people that run the wiki. Even the possiblity of it being Joker's sister can't be mentioned!

But this isn't anything like that. The kid could be Illusive Man for all you know. The fact that Harbinger is absent for so much of the game hurts your case also. I mean outside game evidence we could say that it only makes sense that Harbinger's role is subtle. But inside the game it would help more if there was definitive evidence that Harbinger was trying to indoctrinate you. Though, for some people I don't think that would be enough either because he says in Arrival your mind will be mine and people ignore that. Regardless though, there is not enough evidence to to 'confirm' that Harbinger is the the kid.

[Kulbelbolka]

SwobyJ wrote...
lololololol

Harbinger is the big bad, the real Intelligence. Why are people so blindddddddd. He's the leader, and basically has all of the OTHER Reapers indoctrinated under his heel. He's the biggest rogue AI I've seen in my life.

I know that IT-theorists are very selective about arguments, but tell me - why Catalyst has another voice, not Harbinger's? I mean that "SO BE IT!" in Refuse Ending. It's definetely not Harbinger's voice. I can recognise Keith Szarabajka even after reaper's voice filter.

[Rifneno]

Guys. Quote pyramids are for literalists.

[Home run MF]

Rifneno wrote...

Guys. Quote pyramids are for literalists.

Rifneno I have bad news for you 

[Xilizhra]

Well, Harbinger hijacking the Catalyst was an idea that I had a while back, so I suppose it could fit with something. Although I'd find it rather disappointing that the potential of alternative solutions was thrown away in favor of just blowing everything the hell up.

[spotlessvoid]

I think that the theory that Harbinger has all the other Reapers could have a twist. If Harbinger successfully indoctrinates like, I dunno-Shepard, he could create certain Reapers that have more free will, while others are practically his puppets

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

SwobyJ wrote...

To defeat the Reapers, we just need to break them off from their semi-hive mind.

That's why TIM (forget about the dream version) is...kinda right. Kinda.

We defeat their indoctrination, and the Reapers become just tools. It may be up to the player, later on in DLC, to agree with his methods or not, but first TIM has to fully reveal his plan.

And since Shepard himself might be the real Catalyst (look at the scenes with TIM and listen to his wording and approach toward Shepard), TIM is (kinda) understandable in his refusal to involve Shepard in his plan yet.


But then again, we can still just destroy the Reapers. It's the safest bet and isn't so morally messed up. Both Paragons and Renegades did everything in order to either destroy the Reapers, or 'drive them into dark space', but I can still imagine a twist with TIM, that his plan IS legit, even if very questionable.

(and I think it involves Shepard being part of the next evolution of organics. I personally think that TIM has a bit of a Reaper's mind in him, but he's not indoctrinated by the Reapers themselves. The 'Catalyst'/Harbinger is just drawing on Shepard's memories of TIM til that point.)

I agree on this this, idd love to see TIM´s plans amount to something more than just indoctrinated servant to the Reapers.

Even if they twisted his mind beyond what he originally wanted he might have set in motion events which could still help us and I would love to see something like it show up. Show us that even if Cerberus went too far all those sacrifices were not completely in vain.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Home run MF wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Guys. Quote pyramids are for literalists.

Rifneno I have bad news for you 

Volusadept...

Volusengineer...

I AM A GOD!

[spotlessvoid]

Kulbelbolka wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...
lololololol

Harbinger is the big bad, the real Intelligence. Why are people so blindddddddd. He's the leader, and basically has all of the OTHER Reapers indoctrinated under his heel. He's the biggest rogue AI I've seen in my life.

I know that IT-theorists are very selective about arguments, but tell me - why Catalyst has another voice, not Harbinger's? I mean that "SO BE IT!" in Refuse Ending. It's definetely not Harbinger's voice. I can recognise Keith Szarabajka even after reaper's voice filter.

Just like I know literalist can't see two feet in front of them. 

He is a Reaper, regardless

[Rifneno]

GOD. DAMNIT.

[BleedingUranium]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

To defeat the Reapers, we just need to break them off from their semi-hive mind.

That's why TIM (forget about the dream version) is...kinda right. Kinda.

We defeat their indoctrination, and the Reapers become just tools. It may be up to the player, later on in DLC, to agree with his methods or not, but first TIM has to fully reveal his plan.

And since Shepard himself might be the real Catalyst (look at the scenes with TIM and listen to his wording and approach toward Shepard), TIM is (kinda) understandable in his refusal to involve Shepard in his plan yet.


But then again, we can still just destroy the Reapers. It's the safest bet and isn't so morally messed up. Both Paragons and Renegades did everything in order to either destroy the Reapers, or 'drive them into dark space', but I can still imagine a twist with TIM, that his plan IS legit, even if very questionable.

(and I think it involves Shepard being part of the next evolution of organics. I personally think that TIM has a bit of a Reaper's mind in him, but he's not indoctrinated by the Reapers themselves. The 'Catalyst'/Harbinger is just drawing on Shepard's memories of TIM til that point.)

I agree on this this, idd love to see TIM´s plans amount to something more than just indoctrinated servant to the Reapers.

Even if they twisted his mind beyond what he originally wanted he might have set in motion events which could still help us and I would love to see something like it show up. Show us that even if Cerberus went too far all those sacrifices were not completely in vain.

I'd like to see something like that too. And since believing you can control the Reapers is being tricked by them, as opposed to actually believing in their cause (a la Saren), I think TIM should be able to do something useful to stop the Reapers, while sacrificing himself. He needs to die, but I think he should get a little redemption first.

That's also pretty much how I feel about post-end Shep in regards to each choice

[Big_Boss9]

lol, Volus™

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Kulbelbolka wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...
lololololol

Harbinger is the big bad, the real Intelligence. Why are people so blindddddddd. He's the leader, and basically has all of the OTHER Reapers indoctrinated under his heel. He's the biggest rogue AI I've seen in my life.

I know that IT-theorists are very selective about arguments, but tell me - why Catalyst has another voice, not Harbinger's? I mean that "SO BE IT!" in Refuse Ending. It's definetely not Harbinger's voice. I can recognise Keith Szarabajka even after reaper's voice filter.

Just like I know literalist can't see two feet in front of them. 

He is a Reaper, regardless

The voice change indeed reveals him as Reaper (despite him pratcially saying it to your face earlier) which by any kind of logic means he is not to be trusted, Harbinger or not.

We havent been told about Indoctrination or been fed information about how the Reapers deceive leaders to enter their superstructure and be Indoctrinated for nothing.

[Xilizhra]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

To defeat the Reapers, we just need to break them off from their semi-hive mind.

That's why TIM (forget about the dream version) is...kinda right. Kinda.

We defeat their indoctrination, and the Reapers become just tools. It may be up to the player, later on in DLC, to agree with his methods or not, but first TIM has to fully reveal his plan.

And since Shepard himself might be the real Catalyst (look at the scenes with TIM and listen to his wording and approach toward Shepard), TIM is (kinda) understandable in his refusal to involve Shepard in his plan yet.


But then again, we can still just destroy the Reapers. It's the safest bet and isn't so morally messed up. Both Paragons and Renegades did everything in order to either destroy the Reapers, or 'drive them into dark space', but I can still imagine a twist with TIM, that his plan IS legit, even if very questionable.

(and I think it involves Shepard being part of the next evolution of organics. I personally think that TIM has a bit of a Reaper's mind in him, but he's not indoctrinated by the Reapers themselves. The 'Catalyst'/Harbinger is just drawing on Shepard's memories of TIM til that point.)

I agree on this this, idd love to see TIM´s plans amount to something more than just indoctrinated servant to the Reapers.

Even if they twisted his mind beyond what he originally wanted he might have set in motion events which could still help us and I would love to see something like it show up. Show us that even if Cerberus went too far all those sacrifices were not completely in vain.

I shall agree again. It'd make the least amount of wasted effort for TIM.