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[Raistlin Majare 1992]

SwobyJ wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, Harbinger hijacking the Catalyst was an idea that I had a while back, so I suppose it could fit with something. Although I'd find it rather disappointing that the potential of alternative solutions was thrown away in favor of just blowing everything the hell up.

When you look for alternative solutions with the Reapers, you have to remember they had many millenia in order to plug those holes, yet dangle the possibility of them in front of both organics' and synthetics' (remember the Geth worship) faces.

Is Synthesis possible? YES, but give it time. Space Magic would tear the galaxy up, in 'reality'. AI and tech-relations need much more time than the 'Crucible' allows, to create a fair and just galaxy. We'll get there, just as it took time to realize EDI as a sentient and emotional being.
"I am alive"? No, you were already alive before Synthesis, and you knew it.

Is Control possible? YES, but holyyyyyyyycrapppppp you have to be careful about it. The way the 'Catalyst' presents it, it seems so simple, but it isn't. No single mind, imo, could ever overtake the Reaper overmind, ever. Attempts at Control in Mass Effect have been 95-99% failures, and 1-4% successes.

In either case, trusting the 'controller of the Reapers' to present the choice to you is a false choice in itself. Shepard is now going to listen intently to the Reaper Child? In the form of a child he saw die? Somehow the thing knew to take that form. I wonder how...

An argument I love to use regarding Control is the Quarians:

A race known for it ability with Tech used 300 years to develop an effective weapon against the AI they created themselves. The Reapers made the weapon useless with a few upgrades.

And Cerberus wants to control the Reapers...good luck...

[Xilizhra]

SwobyJ wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, Harbinger hijacking the Catalyst was an idea that I had a while back, so I suppose it could fit with something. Although I'd find it rather disappointing that the potential of alternative solutions was thrown away in favor of just blowing everything the hell up.

When you look for alternative solutions with the Reapers, you have to remember they had many millenia in order to plug those holes, yet dangle the possibility of them in front of both organics' and synthetics' (remember the Geth worship) faces.

Is Synthesis possible? YES, but give it time. Space Magic would tear the galaxy up, in 'reality'. AI and tech-relations need much more time than the 'Crucible' allows, to create a fair and just galaxy. We'll get there, just as it took time to realize EDI as a sentient and emotional being.
"I am alive"? No, you were already alive before Synthesis, and you knew it.

Is Control possible? YES, but holyyyyyyyycrapppppp you have to be careful about it. The way the 'Catalyst' presents it, it seems so simple, but it isn't. No single mind, imo, could ever overtake the Reaper overmind, ever. Attempts at Control in Mass Effect have been 95-99% failures, and 1-4% successes.

In either case, trusting the 'controller of the Reapers' to present the choice to you is a false choice in itself. Shepard is now going to listen intently to the Reaper Child? In the form of a child he saw die? Somehow the thing knew to take that form. I wonder how...

It's not really a matter of "overtaking" the Catalyst so much as overriding one personality function and using their own. I agree that both of them need to be foreshadowed much better than they were, however, which Omega might do.

[shepskisaac]

Can someone check DLC level list in the Coalesced in Patch?

[Rifneno]

I see we're about to get into another passive-aggressive synthesis space magic "talk."

I should go.

[KyreneZA]

Rifneno wrote...

The wikia mods are morons. One of the devs even confirmed it's Joker's sister, saying they were wondering how long it would take players to figure it out.

It was one of the writers on the Ending DLC panel at (forget which convention; but the one where they showed the extended flowchart) IIRC.

[Restrider]

I just wanted to promote this again.
Post your opinions and possible themes for 9 and 10.
If the list is complete and fleshed out, there will be polls to determine the top ten.

[Home run MF]

IsaacShep wrote...

Can someone check DLC level list in the Coalesced in Patch?

Edit: Sorry misunderstood you, do you remember the path for the DLC levels?

bioengine.ini / sfxgame / sfxengine

It seems to track everything for the new achievement system.

Modifié par Home run MF, 04 octobre 2012 - 08:05 .

[Kulbelbolka]

spotlessvoid wrote...

I think that the theory that Harbinger has all the other Reapers could have a twist. If Harbinger successfully indoctrinates like, I dunno-Shepard, he could create certain Reapers that have more free will, while others are practically his puppets

I'm thinking that the main secret goal of Harbinger is to give free will for Reapers. But Catalyst needs to be destroyed or changed for that. And for some reasons he can't destroy Catalyst. So he trying to indoctrinate Shepard since ME2.

In my present interpretation, RGB-endings has some deeper meaning than it looks like:

Control - it's not about Controling Reapers, it's about replacing present Catalyst.
Synthesis - this ending bases on Leviathan's doctrine. In my opinion, there is no organic-vs-synthetics problem. The problem is that Leviathans ability to control minds works only with organics. The problem is that they can't control Synthetics and that's it. And by choosing Synthesis you make synthetics partly organics. So after that Leviathan can control everyone. Like they do long time ago.
Destroy - I think that it would be more clear after Omega DLC.

Refuse talks about free will for everyone. It's about refusing any doctrine (refuse indoctrination) that different forces with their own goals provide you. But now we have only Refuse-. But I'm an optimist and I hope that Bioware will make Refuse + (aka Conventional Victory) after all DLCs, multiplayer operations and stuff.

[Xilizhra]

Synthesis is the brightest looking future, but the biggest failure. The tactic leads to homogenization and consensus (something the Geth were even moving away FROM). No dynamics, no progression.

This is an outright lie. The ending slides are quite explicit about technological progress continuing, probably even faster than before (certainly no longer along the original Reaper-laid paradigms).

Destroy is the detestable necessity, when Control and Synthesis goes wrong. It doesn't create, it doesn't assist peaceful relations, etc. But it does mop up the mistakes born of good intentions.

And kills billions.

So imo Destroy is you win.
Control is stalemate, but Reapers are confident.
Synthesis is Reapers win.

You win in all three of them, Destroy just has the highest casualties.

Starkid wants us to progress organics not by 10, 100, or even 1000
years, but suddenly get to the endpoint without any regards to the
fallout. It's very distrubing from that standpoint, imo.

It's not the endpoint. It's a boost, but progress is still being made.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 04 octobre 2012 - 08:07 .

[shepskisaac]

Home run MF wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Can someone check DLC level list in the Coalesced in Patch?

Edit: Sorry misunderstood you, do you remember the path for the DLC levels?

bioengine.ini / sfxgame / sfxengine

It seems to track everything for the new achievement system.

No, I was taking about something like this:


This is not from the new patch, it's the Coalesced from Leviathan and we found Omega and Citadel DLC levels listed in sfxgamecontentlivekismet but the's not kismet in the Coalesced in new patch it seems

[Ytook]

So has anybody managed to find anything juicy in the patch yet? Or is it too soon for that sort of thing?

[spotlessvoid]

Xilizhra

Go push your pro-ending stuff in another thread. Seriously

[Xilizhra]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Xilizhra

Go push your pro-ending stuff in another thread. Seriously

I gave you another possibility as to how IT may have worked earlier. Do you wish to hear that again?

[estebanus]

Xilizhra wrote...

Destroy is the detestable necessity, when Control and Synthesis goes wrong. It doesn't create, it doesn't assist peaceful relations, etc. But it does mop up the mistakes born of good intentions.

And kills billions.

haha, "kills."

[spotlessvoid]

Lololololol at Harbinger wanting to be your friend so you can team up against catalyst.

[Rifneno]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Xilizhra

Go push your pro-ending stuff in another thread. Seriously

This.

[spotlessvoid]

Xilizhra wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Xilizhra

Go push your pro-ending stuff in another thread. Seriously

I gave you another possibility as to how IT may have worked earlier. Do you wish to hear that again?

nope

[Xilizhra]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Lololololol at Harbinger wanting to be your friend so you can team up against catalyst.

You got that backwards. If you're referring to me, anyway. The Catalyst is trying to break through Harbinger's indoctrination attempts at the end, in my version.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 04 octobre 2012 - 08:15 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Xilizhra wrote...

Synthesis is the brightest looking future, but the biggest failure. The tactic leads to homogenization and consensus (something the Geth were even moving away FROM). No dynamics, no progression.

This is an outright lie. The ending slides are quite explicit about technological progress continuing, probably even faster than before (certainly no longer along the original Reaper-laid paradigms).

Destroy is the detestable necessity, when Control and Synthesis goes wrong. It doesn't create, it doesn't assist peaceful relations, etc. But it does mop up the mistakes born of good intentions.

And kills billions.

So imo Destroy is you win.
Control is stalemate, but Reapers are confident.
Synthesis is Reapers win.

You win in all three of them, Destroy just has the highest casualties.

Starkid wants us to progress organics not by 10, 100, or even 1000
years, but suddenly get to the endpoint without any regards to the
fallout. It's very distrubing from that standpoint, imo.

It's not the endpoint. It's a boost, but progress is still being made.

According to Jack and Samara Synthesis has the highest kill count. <_<

Too explain if you bring either along for Legions loyalty mission they will both say that rewriting how someone thinks is equal to killing them.

There is a good number of people who would not stop their fight against the Reapers just because of Synthesis (or Control for that matter). Javik springs to mind, could you imagine him stopping his battle just because of Synthesis? Many others have lost friends and family to the Reapers, would they be okay with them now lfying around Synthesis or not?

I think not, for the absolute peace described by Synthesis to be a reality everyone has to have been mind altered in some way, there is simply no way they would just accept living side by side with the monsters who killed billions in this cycle alone.

So Synthesis kill count going by Samara and Jacks definition is essentially the entire Galaxy.

[D.Sharrah]

Restrider wrote...

Snip...

List of meta-reasons:

1) IT is as valid as a literal interpretation

2) new game in the MEU:
   - prequel with humans would only have the First Contact War as topic
   - prequel without humans would alienate a big part of the fanbase
   - prequel in a previous cycle is like a whole new universe
   - any prequel would have an already known ending
   - a game during the events of ME1-ME3 would not be able to have any choices with impact
   - Control has no real conflict potential, since we have Harpard
   - Synthesis has no real conflict potential, since everything is nice and dandy
   - Refuse has no real potential
   - this only leaves Destroy as possible candidate as canon

Awesome post...not sure what 9 and 10 should be (will have to give it more thought).  See the bolded for the one correction that I suggest.