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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!

Débuté par byne , juil. 30 2012 07:09

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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:16

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

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Synthesis is the brightest looking future, but the biggest failure. The tactic leads to homogenization and consensus (something the Geth were even moving away FROM). No dynamics, no progression.

This is an outright lie. The ending slides are quite explicit about technological progress continuing, probably even faster than before (certainly no longer along the original Reaper-laid paradigms).

Destroy is the detestable necessity, when Control and Synthesis goes wrong. It doesn't create, it doesn't assist peaceful relations, etc. But it does mop up the mistakes born of good intentions.

And kills billions.

So imo Destroy is you win.
Control is stalemate, but Reapers are confident.
Synthesis is Reapers win.

You win in all three of them, Destroy just has the highest casualties.

Starkid wants us to progress organics not by 10, 100, or even 1000
years, but suddenly get to the endpoint without any regards to the
fallout. It's very distrubing from that standpoint, imo.

It's not the endpoint. It's a boost, but progress is still being made.


According to Jack and Samara Synthesis has the highest kill count. <_<

Too explain if you bring either along for Legions loyalty mission they will both say that rewriting how someone thinks is equal to killing them.

There is a good number of people who would not stop their fight against the Reapers just because of Synthesis (or Control for that matter). Javik springs to mind, could you imagine him stopping his battle just because of Synthesis? Many others have lost friends and family to the Reapers, would they be okay with them now lfying around Synthesis or not?

I think not, for the absolute peace described by Synthesis to be a reality everyone has to have been mind altered in some way, there is simply no way they would just accept living side by side with the monsters who killed billions in this cycle alone.

So Synthesis kill count going by Samara and Jacks definition is essentially the entire Galaxy.


Yep. Synthesis heavily implies that everyone is changed so much that they all are forced to go along with each other. Including Javik. And Harbinger. And Samara. And the geth better be rewritten, because they said "There will be no further compromise with the Old Machines." And EDI better be rewritten because she said she would rather die, due to the actions the Reapers have been taking against people on Earth.

#29827
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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:16

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spotlessvoid wrote...

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Xilizhra

Go push your pro-ending stuff in another thread. Seriously

I gave you another possibility as to how IT may have worked earlier. Do you wish to hear that again?


nope

So, to clarify: this is not a thread to discuss all the possibilities in which IT may be implemented, of which people surely have different opinions, but simply as a means for everyone to repeat one rigid version of the theory? Do I have this right?

#29828
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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:17

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Xilizhra wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

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Xilizhra

Go push your pro-ending stuff in another thread. Seriously

I gave you another possibility as to how IT may have worked earlier. Do you wish to hear that again?


nope

So, to clarify: this is not a thread to discuss all the possibilities in which IT may be implemented, of which people surely have different opinions, but simply as a means for everyone to repeat one rigid version of the theory? Do I have this right?


This is not a thread for your passive-aggressive bull****.  How's that one?

#29829
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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:17

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Xilizhra wrote...

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Lololololol at Harbinger wanting to be your friend so you can team up against catalyst.

You got that backwards. If you're referring to me, anyway. The Catalyst is trying to break through Harbinger's indoctrination attempts at the end, in my version.


not you , Kulbwhatever.

BUT, lololololol at Catalyst wanting to be your friend so you can team up against Harbinger

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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:19

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spotlessvoid wrote...

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Lololololol at Harbinger wanting to be your friend so you can team up against catalyst.

You got that backwards. If you're referring to me, anyway. The Catalyst is trying to break through Harbinger's indoctrination attempts at the end, in my version.


not you , Kulbwhatever.

BUT, lololololol at Catalyst wanting to be your friend so you can team up against Harbinger


Oh I can see it.

Except it would be a terrible thing to implement within 10 minutes of the ending. At least IT (with Catalyst = bad guy) includes a continuance of themes from as far back as ME1.

Dunno what they can do with a 'Catalyst vs Harby' story.

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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:21

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SwobyJ wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Lololololol at Harbinger wanting to be your friend so you can team up against catalyst.

You got that backwards. If you're referring to me, anyway. The Catalyst is trying to break through Harbinger's indoctrination attempts at the end, in my version.


not you , Kulbwhatever.

BUT, lololololol at Catalyst wanting to be your friend so you can team up against Harbinger


Oh I can see it.

Except it would be a terrible thing to implement within 10 minutes of the ending. At least IT (with Catalyst = bad guy) includes a continuance of themes from as far back as ME1.

Dunno what they can do with a 'Catalyst vs Harby' story.

Hence, it'd be an opportunity to take with Omega, to show the possibility of Harbinger wanting to hijack the Catalyst to continue the cycles forever, even with Shepard showing up there. This could thus lead to a final confrontation with Harbinger eventually, though implementing that in-game could take a while.

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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:24

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Elite Tip

If you have your own version of IT start a new thread. You can even drop by to give a link. This is the ITDream thread. Stop derailing the conversation.

#29833
Xilizhra
Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:26

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Elite Tip

If you have your own version of IT start a new thread. You can even drop by to give a link. This is the ITDream thread. Stop derailing the conversation.

Then you may wish to change the thread title to "Indictrination Dream Theory" or something.

#29834
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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:28

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If the catalyst is your friend why change to Reaper voice in refuse?

Why haven't the Reapers destroyed him? How can an AI be powerful enough to Harvest the z leviathan without any Reaper help, but then be some helpless shmuck who needs Shepard to save them. And if he really wants to help, why hasn't he made contact with organics? He states the crucible changed him...the while thing makes zero sense

#29835
Home run MF
Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:29

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IsaacShep wrote...

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Can someone check DLC level list in the Coalesced in Patch?

Edit: Sorry misunderstood you, do you remember the path for the DLC levels?

bioengine.ini / sfxgame / sfxengine

It seems to track everything for the new achievement system.

No, I was taking about something like this:


This is not from the new patch, it's the Coalesced from Leviathan and we found Omega and Citadel DLC levels listed in sfxgamecontentlivekismet but the's not kismet in the Coalesced in new patch it seems

I didn't find anything important, everything seems MP related. Maybe Retaliation has more interesting stuff. 

Modifié par Home run MF, 04 octobre 2012 - 08:30 .

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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:29

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Xilizhra wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Elite Tip

If you have your own version of IT start a new thread. You can even drop by to give a link. This is the ITDream thread. Stop derailing the conversation.

Then you may wish to change the thread title to "Indictrination Dream Theory" or something.

Everybody knows this is the ITDream thread, and honestly after you wasted page upon page peddling your synthesis crap recently....pffft no credibility with me.

We get run out of every thread for talking about IT. Can we just have this one little corner of the bsn? Is that really too much to ask for? You don't support what we are doing here and you just distract and derail the convo for nothing. Go find another sandbox. 

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#29837
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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:35

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Home run MF wrote...
I didn't find anything important, everything seems MP related. Maybe Retaliation has more interesting stuff. 

Thx for checking!

#29838
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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:36

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Dwailing wrote...

Estebanus and masster have a... shall we say? unique relationship.  I don't think estebanus REALLY hates masster though, right estebanus? :whistle:

Of course not. Hate is unnecessary.

#29839
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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:36

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Retaliation looks incredibly awesome. I can't wait to play it after I come home from Malta!

#29840
TheConstantOne
Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:39

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So, Retaliation was announced. At least one thing on that "leaked" dlc list has come out now...interesting. There might actually be some grain of truth to it

#29841
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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:39

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Woah Retaliation?!

#29842
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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:40

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TheConstantOne wrote...

So, Retaliation was announced. At least one thing on that "leaked" dlc list has come out now...interesting. There might actually be some grain of truth to it

Not interesting at all because Retaliation leak happened before the list and whoever did the list just included it to make it look more legitimate. Too bad he forgot about including already confirmed Omega DLC lol

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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:42

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Well, Priestly denied the list was real. That adds credibility to it.

#29844
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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:43

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Harbinger!!!! :D Best. Trailer. Ever. Of all time.

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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:44

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IsaacShep wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

So, Retaliation was announced. At least one thing on that "leaked" dlc list has come out now...interesting. There might actually be some grain of truth to it

Not interesting at all because Retaliation leak happened before the list and whoever did the list just included it to make it look more legitimate. Too bad he forgot about including already confirmed Omega DLC lol


Hahaha I hadn't heard of the Retaliation leak before.  It's actually the release date scheme that makes me the most suspicious.  I have to admit though that I do think "Luminous Sky" is a pretty good name for dlc

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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:45

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NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Harbinger!!!! :D Best. Trailer. Ever. Of all time.


This probably means Harbinger will be a feature villian in upcoming single player dlc.  Oh the things Bioware could do with this :D

#29847
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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:45

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Guys...you know the retalation trailer, right? The maps - weather hazards - there are some that look just greenish or brownish, like at 0.35 for example.... you know what that looks like? It looks exaclty like the geth(reaper) weather device mission! And what does that weather device look like? It is a beam of blueish-white light going into the skies.. (like the thing in london)

#29848
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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:47

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No Hellish spotting yet...telling us to scoot over to youtube for CW ep 2?!

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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:49

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Which comes out first Omega or Retaliation?

And who is retaliating? The Collectors or us?

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Posté 04 octobre 2012 - 08:49

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Best part of Retaliation (besides the return of taunts of Harbinger), is it is free.
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