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I am starting to feel that too Banshee. Think about it Harbinger is the ONLY Reaper that we know that can Control the Collectors. Harbinger wanted Shepard's body in ME2, but most of all his/her brain. Harbinger mostly wanted Shepard's mind, but for what?

There is something that Harbinger, nor the Leviathans are telling us about Shepard.

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Home run MF wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

You know, to be honest, I'm not sure if you're serious, but in this case I think I'll just take your word for it. Posted Image

Liking the new DLC Home Run? Oh, and you should invest in some Veteran packs.


Ohh I see 

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Your indentured servant thinks the silver guns are really good. I analyze everyone's stats, honest... Posted Image


I kind of do that too ;) but I don't like any of the silver guns except the Locust.

About the leak we are most likely getting merc characters in the future.

Oh, and look at your manifest again. Notice anything about the N7 weapons and Collector AR?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

I'm willing to bet that upcoming SP dlc will detail how new Collectors are being created. We may also learn of other star systems where some remainders of original Collectors emerged from.

By far the greatest thing about this Collector reveal: there is an *extremely* good chance that Harbinger will be getting more of a role. Perhaps the next few dlc's will draw us more and more towards a conflict with Harbinger? I for one think that an epilogue mission of Shepard entering Harbinger through some means (perhaps a hull breach) and destroying Harbinger's mass effect core would be a fitting personal way to end an absolutely colossal villian

Agreed, and he is definitely getting steadily more important. From base game Extended Cut to Leviathan to this trailer. And bringing Javik to fight Collectors would be awesome. Why make Harbinger more important unless... Posted Image


One thing I can't help but wonder though: has Harbinger chosen a new Collector General to possess his minions through?  I think that could be an important point to address.  Or else it is possibly that killing any possessed Collector agent could stun Harbinger for a short time; much like what happened to Sovreign after the directly controlled Saren was killed

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Banshee I.. I just that about this.

In Control Harbinger orders the Collectors to take Shepard's mind.

In Synthesis Harbinger orders the Collectors to take Shepard's body.

In Destroy Harbinger orders the Collectors to Destroy Shepard's body.

In Refuse/ reject Harbinger calls off the Collectors and leaves Shepard to die.

Modifié par masster blaster, 05 octobre 2012 - 04:12 .


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TheConstantOne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

I'm willing to bet that upcoming SP dlc will detail how new Collectors are being created. We may also learn of other star systems where some remainders of original Collectors emerged from.

By far the greatest thing about this Collector reveal: there is an *extremely* good chance that Harbinger will be getting more of a role. Perhaps the next few dlc's will draw us more and more towards a conflict with Harbinger? I for one think that an epilogue mission of Shepard entering Harbinger through some means (perhaps a hull breach) and destroying Harbinger's mass effect core would be a fitting personal way to end an absolutely colossal villian

Agreed, and he is definitely getting steadily more important. From base game Extended Cut to Leviathan to this trailer. And bringing Javik to fight Collectors would be awesome. Why make Harbinger more important unless... Posted Image


One thing I can't help but wonder though: has Harbinger chosen a new Collector General to possess his minions through?  I think that could be an important point to address.  Or else it is possibly that killing any possessed Collector agent could stun Harbinger for a short time; much like what happened to Sovreign after the directly controlled Saren was killed

You may be right, however my personal hunch in that Harbinger would not be affected, since he is assuming control, or enthralling, instead of simply hacking Saren's skeleton. Though I am not sure if the repercussions would be better or worse for Harbinger in that case...

@MB very interesting thought.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 05 octobre 2012 - 04:15 .


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Nooooooo!

Harbinger why!

Harbinger is going to assume CONTROL OF SHEPARD in Control.

Harbinger asends Shepard to his/her apex, and fuses his/her body, mind and soul with Harbinger.

Harbinger Destroys Shepard's body so that he/she won't cause anymore trouble, but something stops Harbinger from Killing Shepard.

Harbinger then REFUSES/ REJECTS Shepard and leaves him/her to die.

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There is a codex entry that says the Reapers have fixed the killing thrall stun thing. Let me find it

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Home run MF wrote...

There is a codex entry that says the Reapers have fixed the killing thrall stun thing. Let me find it

I know. That was different than enthrallment, but w.e. Did you look at your manifest?

Made a thread, if anyone wants to look.
http://social.biowar...9935/1#14359999

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 05 octobre 2012 - 04:19 .


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ASSUMING CONTROL (Sorry, I had to say that, I must go now, It's... The only way...)

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401 Kill wrote...

ASSUMING CONTROL (Sorry, I had to say that, I must go now, It's... The only way...)

Bye! RELEASING CONTROL.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 05 octobre 2012 - 04:25 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

I'm willing to bet that upcoming SP dlc will detail how new Collectors are being created. We may also learn of other star systems where some remainders of original Collectors emerged from.

By far the greatest thing about this Collector reveal: there is an *extremely* good chance that Harbinger will be getting more of a role. Perhaps the next few dlc's will draw us more and more towards a conflict with Harbinger? I for one think that an epilogue mission of Shepard entering Harbinger through some means (perhaps a hull breach) and destroying Harbinger's mass effect core would be a fitting personal way to end an absolutely colossal villian

Agreed, and he is definitely getting steadily more important. From base game Extended Cut to Leviathan to this trailer. And bringing Javik to fight Collectors would be awesome. Why make Harbinger more important unless... Posted Image


One thing I can't help but wonder though: has Harbinger chosen a new Collector General to possess his minions through?  I think that could be an important point to address.  Or else it is possibly that killing any possessed Collector agent could stun Harbinger for a short time; much like what happened to Sovreign after the directly controlled Saren was killed

You may be right, however my personal hunch in that Harbinger would not be affected, since he is assuming control, or enthralling, instead of simply hacking Saren's skeleton. Though I am not sure if the repercussions would be better or worse for Harbinger in that case...

@MB very interesting thought.


Yeah, there's just too many unknowns to know for sure. Only one way for us to find out... :D

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See ya 401, but man I just thought about that. Assuming CONTROL of Shepard. Do you know what Harbinger can do with Shepard's body.

HE takes out Shepard's mind, so that Harbinger can Control Shepard without him/her fighting Harbinger. That is why we see Shepard dissapering as in Shepard's mind.


In Synthesis Harbinger want's to fuse himself with Shepard because of his/her genetic material, to become stronger, to evoluve himeself even more, and has the power to fight the Leviathans.

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Found it
"Sovereign was destroyed while assuming direct control over Saren. The feedback from Saren's death seemed to entirely overload Sovereign's shields. Current Reapers do not seem to suffer from this design flaw."

What am I supposed to look at? The fact that I'm probably gonna get Eagles in every PSP from now on? :(

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Home run MF wrote...

There is a codex entry that says the Reapers have fixed the killing thrall stun thing. Let me find it


I'm calling it a night but I'll check back tomorrow for that link.  This would be a very important codex entry for me to have missed

Edit:  Never mind...your above post just gave the quote.  Very interesting.  The stun method of killing a Reaper seems to be off the table for now then

Modifié par TheConstantOne, 05 octobre 2012 - 04:26 .


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I like the idea of describing this new content as pieces failing into place. In Leviathan, we learned some details about Harbinger and how he was the first Reaper created. In Omega, I'm betting we'll learn even more about Harbinger. These pieces are centered around our favorite Reaper and it feels like there's a purpose here.

I have a question for those that played Leviathan. In the Leviathan section of Harbinger's wikia it states that "Through Harbinger, the Catalyst directs the Reapers to harvest the galaxy of advanced life every 50,000 years." Is that true? Does the Catalyst only have communication with Harbinger and its Harby that relays the orders?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

There is a codex entry that says the Reapers have fixed the killing thrall stun thing. Let me find it

I know. That was different than enthrallment, but w.e. Did you look at your manifest?

Made a thread, if anyone wants to look.
http://social.biowar...9935/1#14359999

Just noticed that myself a few minutes ago. Very interesting! I've not seen anyone report acquiring any of the new "additions", so I assume this will go live on Tuesday with the DLC. I hope this doesn't mean the winding down of the weekend challenges. Btw, I haven't seen any comment on the missing Earth DLC mods being added Tuesday. :(

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 05 octobre 2012 - 04:28 .


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Night Constante one.

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Home run MF wrote...

Found it
"Sovereign was destroyed while assuming direct control over Saren. The feedback from Saren's death seemed to entirely overload Sovereign's shields. Current Reapers do not seem to suffer from this design flaw."

What am I supposed to look at? The fact that I'm probably gonna get Eagles in every PSP from now on? :(

Yeah! The N7 guns are ultra rare now! Have you gotten any yet? Or do we need to wait for tuesday?

The Eagle is really good btw.I  have a motto: Underrated guns don't suck; you do. Posted Image Usually. No offense :) Have you ever tried it in a Destroyer kit? It's basically as good as the Typhoon...

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

There is a codex entry that says the Reapers have fixed the killing thrall stun thing. Let me find it

I know. That was different than enthrallment, but w.e. Did you look at your manifest?

Made a thread, if anyone wants to look.
http://social.biowar...9935/1#14359999

Just noticed that myself a few minutes ago. Very interesting! I've not seen anyone report acquiring any of the new "additions", so I assume this will go live on Tuesday with the DLC. I hope this doesn't mean the winding down of the weekend challenges. Btw, I haven't seen any comment on the missing Earth DLC mods being added Tuesday. :(

Blur told me that the one of the more active BW MP guys said they added the new mods in the patch, but they didn't activate them yet. So I'm optimistic! My original guess was the weekend challenges would end near N7 day, but we'll see.

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Sooooooo.......... any chance this DLC is setting us up for whatever comes on Halloween? (ie the Jack'o'Lantern in the Vancouver Map)

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Hellish a warning next time if your video get's delayed a bit.

Maybe he was going to release it, but the Collectors, and Harbinger happened.

Also Banshee I think I broke my brain. I went all out on my post about Harbinger, and the Collectors on this page.

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masster blaster wrote...

Hellish a warning next time if your video get's delayed a bit.

Maybe he was going to release it, but the Collectors, and Harbinger happened.

Also Banshee I think I broke my brain. I went all out on my post about Harbinger, and the Collectors on this page.

LOL. Take a break. I am going to do that now.

@Prime Omega probably.

Edit: I am almost certain the missing mods will be in this DLC. NO WAY they needed to delay this long otherwise.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 05 octobre 2012 - 04:35 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

LOL. Take a break. I am going to do that now.

@Prime Omega probably.

Edit: I am almost certain the missing mods will be in this DLC. NO WAY they needed to delay this long otherwise.

Well, there's this -- http://social.biowar...349614#14349630

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Look for them to come with a balance change

No ETA, but it's something.

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This was already assumed, but Gamble just confirmed that he'll be talking about upcoming DLC next week in New York, which I assume must mean NYCC.

Retaliation will already have been released by that point, so we're definitely going to have more stuff to talk about soon.

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LazyTechGuy wrote...

This was already assumed, but Gamble just confirmed that he'll be talking about upcoming DLC next week in New York, which I assume must mean NYCC.

Retaliation will already have been released by that point, so we're definitely going to have more stuff to talk about soon.

Indeed. Let's hope for Omega by October 30th. And another spiffy trailer! :wizard: