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[spotlessvoid]

Gwyphon wrote...

 So am I the only one that is excited  about the Harby voice actor doing the voice for the Retaliation DLC. Surely they didn't bring him in for just some multiplayer voice work if you know what I'm saying 

That's what we're all hoping

[spotlessvoid]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Thank you

If the crucible just disables Reaper shields that could make for an incredible endgame sequence

More Random Stuff:

If the crucible only disables the Reapers shields, we'd only be taking Earth back. We'd probably deal the Reapers a heavy blow but still not defeat them. That could really set up for more content this cycle.


Huh, didnt realise we were already on.the next page

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 05 octobre 2012 - 08:37 .

[Restrider]

BatmanTurian wrote...

left my opinion on Kelly's thread. Not sure what to think one way or the other but 10 things is not enough to write a review or opinion on IT.

Even in those 10 things, there are still nested details that aren't discussed. That's why a simplified version is hard to do. Why must we dumb it down if people can't be bothered to try to understand it themselves? Bioware themselves didn't dumb it down or there wouldn't be any disagreement about it whatsoever.

No offense to you, Restrider, I understand what you're trying to accomplish. I just think dumbing it down actually removes critical important details.

Kelly's blog post kind of triggered what I am trying to accomplish. Though the ten points she picked where not the core of the theory and her analysis is subjective, she has a point when she says that she is not going to invest the time to read through the 5000+ pages of this continued thread. While the website, she did not use, is a good start, we are not able to update it and it is still really abundant.
What I tried at first, was to narrow it down to a short list, but soon I realized that what you say is correct. Ten short statements won't cut it. So I think I am going to try to have ten major lines of discussion and back them up with subsidiary points and link to important posts/videos/evaluations. I think this thread really needs some kind of well-arranged table of contents linking to all the important posts. And that is what I am trying to do. If you have good links or missing information to add, please do not hesitate to pm me.

[Restrider]

masster blaster wrote...

Holy crap it just hit me.The Krogan are the Spartans.

The Salarians are the Athenians.

Turians are the Romans.

The Asaris are either Amazons.

The councile are the olympians.

The Reapers are the Titans.

The humans are greek, and Roman.

The Batarinas are the persians.

The Drell are the nija.

I still have to think about the rest, but since Bioware used Greek, and Roman mythology for ME1-3, I thought I can try to see similarutys.

The races share traits of those you mentioned before.
But the Turians share way more traits with Prussia/German Empire than with the Romans:
- a common saying about Prussia : Prussia is an army with land and not a land with an army.
- the army had a huge importance in the prussian/german society (more than the legions in roman empire/republic)
- in the army, you had not the common lines between the different social classes as in the civil part of the society
- not commonly known, but during the wars with Napoleon and the general hostile environment, Prussia started to overcome the social boundaries (common for that era in all countries) to have access to more soldiers and adept officers (this trait kind of resembles a meritocracy in some kind)
- a huge importance of honor and social duty
- and we have the three Unification Wars (1, 2, 3)

Another thing pointing to assiciations with modern times is the Treaty of Farixan. There was something similar in the 1920s (?) if I am not mistaken.

[KyreneZA]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TL;DR It's a non-issue; Arrival is canon.

Yeah, that's what I assumed, just wanted clarity. Besides there's enough other places where Shepard is exposed to Reaper tech.

Has consensus been reached about what Shepard actually does if choosing Control and still being in front of the beam in London? Has anyone been able to flycam that area and see what's all around the beam on the left-hand side that he could be seeing/interacting with?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

spotlessvoid wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Thank you

If the crucible just disables Reaper shields that could make for an incredible endgame sequence

More Random Stuff:

If the crucible only disables the Reapers shields, we'd only be taking Earth back. We'd probably deal the Reapers a heavy blow but still not defeat them. That could really set up for more content this cycle.


Huh, didnt realise we were already on.the next page

That is what I am hoping as well. The Crucible dosent magically defeat every Reaper everywhere, it just gives us that little (big) push which allows us to take the advantage by dealing the Reapers are severe blow at Earth.

With the Reapers cut down to manageable numbers we push forward with the united fleet slowly pushing the Reapers of each world and back into dark space.

This would also leave the Reapers to play a role in future games even if they are not to be the main villians again.

[KyreneZA]

Restrider wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

left my opinion on Kelly's thread. Not sure what to think one way or the other but 10 things is not enough to write a review or opinion on IT.

Even in those 10 things, there are still nested details that aren't discussed. That's why a simplified version is hard to do. Why must we dumb it down if people can't be bothered to try to understand it themselves? Bioware themselves didn't dumb it down or there wouldn't be any disagreement about it whatsoever.

No offense to you, Restrider, I understand what you're trying to accomplish. I just think dumbing it down actually removes critical important details.

Kelly's blog post kind of triggered what I am trying to accomplish. Though the ten points she picked where not the core of the theory and her analysis is subjective, she has a point when she says that she is not going to invest the time to read through the 5000+ pages of this continued thread. While the website, she did not use, is a good start, we are not able to update it and it is still really abundant.
What I tried at first, was to narrow it down to a short list, but soon I realized that what you say is correct. Ten short statements won't cut it. So I think I am going to try to have ten major lines of discussion and back them up with subsidiary points and link to important posts/videos/evaluations. I think this thread really needs some kind of well-arranged table of contents linking to all the important posts. And that is what I am trying to do. If you have good links or missing information to add, please do not hesitate to pm me.

Don't be discouraged, a "cliff notes" version of IT is exactly the kind of starting point someone like me would need/use. I've watched most of the videos in the OP, but some of them suffer from either too much opinion and too little "these are the facts, m'am" or just information overload. In fact, regardless of content, the presentation of "Choose Wisely - Part 1" was IMO probably the best format I've seen thusfar.

[Restrider]

Kyrene wrote...

Has consensus been reached about what Shepard actually does if choosing Control and still being in front of the beam in London? Has anyone been able to flycam that area and see what's all around the beam on the left-hand side that he could be seeing/interacting with?

As far as I know, the answer is no.
What you are referring to is a concept more adept to WNT or DT.
IT states that everything happens in Shepard's head without having direct effect to the real world.
Of course there are interpretations of IT where Shepard is walking around shooting at Harbinger (Destroy), going into the Beam, that in reality is an indoctrination/huskification device (Synthesis) or... doing something (Control).
But that is just me, I have no idea if there has been done more research.

[paxxton]

I was thinking about what Harby said. He somewhat indentifies himself with the Collectors. Isn't that humiliating for him to be associated with a species he perceives as a lesser lifeform. On the other hand, the synthesized Protheans might be worthy of being associated with.

On top of that is what I have already said in one of my previous posts. For Shepard seeing his old enemy, whom he thought was defeated, attacking Earth must be extremely stressful. This furthers his indoctrination by weakening his will. He starts to question if his efforts are really of any good. For him the Reapers might appear to be persistent and unstoppable.

[Restrider]

Okay, I updated the IT's Top Ten post and added 9) The Guardian and 10) Indoctrination in general.
Post links and more information that should be added.
I would specifically like to get some links for the Arrival datapads and something more detailed about Paul Grayson's indoctrination (the wiki is quite vague). Thanks in advance.

[Kulbelbolka]

paxxton wrote...

I was thinking about what Harby said. He somewhat indentifies himself with the Collectors.

I think that it's the way Harby was remembered in ME2 by majority of players - as Collector's General.

[paxxton]

Kulbelbolka wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I was thinking about what Harby said. He somewhat indentifies himself with the Collectors.

I think that it's the way Harby was remembered in ME2 by majority of players - as Collector's General.

Nah, there's always been a clear distinction between Harbinger and the Collectors. What I've got from ME2 is that Harbinger used them, commanded them, but did not identify himself with them. He even says to the Collector General: "You have failed," clearly perceiving him as a seperate being. On the other hand, when I think about it right now, Harby used to refer to himself in plural form in ME2 so maybe he is refering to himself in the trailer. Assuming he'll have a cameo (like the squadmates , would be disappointing) in Omega DLC, that'd mean he appears for the first time in ME3's story in Act 2. Furthermore, it'd mean that he'll play a greater role in upcomind SP DLCs (for Act 3 and the possible IT DLC).

[Rifneno]

You know, this volus crap honestly has me losing some faith in IT. It's becoming more and more obvious that BW has lost the ability to adhere to their own basic lore. And lore is one of the biggest reasons the whole catalyst thing is impossible.

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Sorry to go a little off track guys but was it stated earlier (here) that Vigil's Theme plays on the "Press Start" screen for Mass Effect 3? I know it is the menu song for Mass Effect, but I just started up ME3 and am listening right now whilst I make my coffee..

Also Xbox just got an update for ME3, prep for the patch?

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Morning honey badger, maybe it will end up that this really is a simulator or maybe all the volus' powers will be supply pylon and such and hand out credits and call in aerial strikes? And can only hold a pistol or very light gun.....

[TSA_383]

Rifneno wrote...

You know, this volus crap honestly has me losing some faith in IT. It's becoming more and more obvious that BW has lost the ability to adhere to their own basic lore. And lore is one of the biggest reasons the whole catalyst thing is impossible.

Speaking of bioware sinking into the ****, how's this for a story:

http://www.escapistm...ther-Key-Player

https://twitter.com/...655561172840448

[Rifneno]

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Morning honey badger, maybe it will end up that this really is a simulator or maybe all the volus' powers will be supply pylon and such and hand out credits and call in aerial strikes? And can only hold a pistol or very light gun.....

There's an adept, vanguard, sentinel, and engineer.  And the simulator idea is nearly as stupid as the volus idea.

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Haha what if they "pop" in one hit and don't respawn?

Man, they can field 4 classes but don't have an effective enough military to become a council member?? Urgh now I'm feeling your pain Rifneno

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

TSA_383 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

You know, this volus crap honestly has me losing some faith in IT. It's becoming more and more obvious that BW has lost the ability to adhere to their own basic lore. And lore is one of the biggest reasons the whole catalyst thing is impossible.

Speaking of bioware sinking into the ****, how's this for a story:

http://www.escapistm...ther-Key-Player

https://twitter.com/...655561172840448

Wow. You know I'm glad I have all my old Bioware games.... you know, the good ones

[masster blaster]

So I take it people from Bioware are leaving. Dam I guess ME3 was a huge blow to them. ( I already know that).

[Rifneno]

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

You know, this volus crap honestly has me losing some faith in IT. It's becoming more and more obvious that BW has lost the ability to adhere to their own basic lore. And lore is one of the biggest reasons the whole catalyst thing is impossible.

Speaking of bioware sinking into the ****, how's this for a story:

http://www.escapistm...ther-Key-Player

https://twitter.com/...655561172840448

Wow. You know I'm glad I have all my old Bioware games.... you know, the good ones

I feel like Jacob after he founds his father.

"Bioware was a good developer, Shepard.  I wish they were still around."

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

Nooooooo!

Harbinger why!

Harbinger is going to assume CONTROL OF SHEPARD in Control.

Harbinger asends Shepard to his/her apex, and fuses his/her body, mind and soul with Harbinger.

Harbinger Destroys Shepard's body so that he/she won't cause anymore trouble, but something stops Harbinger from Killing Shepard.

Harbinger then REFUSES/ REJECTS Shepard and leaves him/her to die.

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

Banshee I.. I just that about this.

In Control Harbinger orders the Collectors to take Shepard's mind.

In Synthesis Harbinger orders the Collectors to take Shepard's body.

In Destroy Harbinger orders the Collectors to Destroy Shepard's body.

In Refuse/ reject Harbinger calls off the Collectors and leaves Shepard to die.

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Rifneno wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

You know, this volus crap honestly has me losing some faith in IT. It's becoming more and more obvious that BW has lost the ability to adhere to their own basic lore. And lore is one of the biggest reasons the whole catalyst thing is impossible.

Speaking of bioware sinking into the ****, how's this for a story:

http://www.escapistm...ther-Key-Player

https://twitter.com/...655561172840448

Wow. You know I'm glad I have all my old Bioware games.... you know, the good ones

I feel like Jacob after he founds his father.

"Bioware was a good developer, Shepard.  I wish they were still around."

There was a very good reason they stuck a bar on the SR-2....

[masster blaster]

Guys I also have been thinking about the child's SO BE IT, and I just thought about this. We know that the child is using Shepard's own voice to persuade, and talk to Shepard, and we know that it's male Shepard's voice when we found it in the SO BE IT, yet that doesn't mean Harbinger isn't Indoctrinating Shepard.


Think about it Harbinger is using Shepard's vocie to mask is own. Think about it, if we the player or Shepard heard Harbingers vocie, then we would know right away something is wrong.


So what Bioware did was they used only Male, female Shepard, and the child, so that nobody would sespect that Harbinger, or maybe Leviathan is Indoctrinating Shepard at the end of the game.