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Just finished CW ep2. Interesting observations on shared memory. I had always overlooked characters not taken on a mission commenting on it as a simple game feature. A feature meant to prevent agonizing squad-mate choices based on whose post mission dialog the player wants to listen to.

But the more I think about it, the more it seems to make sense for BW to not include shared memories in the indoctrination codex entry. It allows players to overlook squad-mates recalling past missions they were not taken on, as if they were there right beside Shepard.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Just finished CW ep2. Interesting observations on shared memory. I had always overlooked characters not taken on a mission commenting on it as a simple game feature. A feature meant to prevent agonizing squad-mate choices based on whose post mission dialog the player wants to listen to.

But the more I think about it, the more it seems to make sense for BW to not include shared memories in the indoctrination codex entry. It allows players to overlook squad-mates recalling past missions they were not taken on, as if they were there right beside Shepard.

But come on do you really think that no one on the ship talks to each other? It's not unreasonable to think they were just briefed on what hapened.

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@Restrider Absolutely awesome top 10 list!

Favourite parts: The soldiers fighting better in destroy Always thought that was really important).
Meta reasons (I came to the same conclusions, and I also discounted the idea of playing as another character, like Anderson, because of lack of decisions or customisation/gender).

Suggestions: Add that last part
Instead of saying the chamber looks like the decision wheel using flycam, say it looks like it from an aerial view or something. Although stupid, many will instantly disregard this evidence because it says "flycam". Also note you can see Coats' body without flycam too. Posted Image

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plfranke wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Just finished CW ep2. Interesting observations on shared memory. I had always overlooked characters not taken on a mission commenting on it as a simple game feature. A feature meant to prevent agonizing squad-mate choices based on whose post mission dialog the player wants to listen to.

But the more I think about it, the more it seems to make sense for BW to not include shared memories in the indoctrination codex entry. It allows players to overlook squad-mates recalling past missions they were not taken on, as if they were there right beside Shepard.

But come on do you really think that no one on the ship talks to each other? It's not unreasonable to think they were just briefed on what hapened.

I'm afraid I'm gonna have to agree here. I don't think this is evidence. Shared memories in other cases are, however.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Just finished CW ep2. Interesting observations on shared memory. I had always overlooked characters not taken on a mission commenting on it as a simple game feature. A feature meant to prevent agonizing squad-mate choices based on whose post mission dialog the player wants to listen to.

But the more I think about it, the more it seems to make sense for BW to not include shared memories in the indoctrination codex entry. It allows players to overlook squad-mates recalling past missions they were not taken on, as if they were there right beside Shepard.


I support IT, but I think this is crossing the crazy line

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The 62nd Flog wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Just finished CW ep2. Interesting observations on shared memory. I had always overlooked characters not taken on a mission commenting on it as a simple game feature. A feature meant to prevent agonizing squad-mate choices based on whose post mission dialog the player wants to listen to.

But the more I think about it, the more it seems to make sense for BW to not include shared memories in the indoctrination codex entry. It allows players to overlook squad-mates recalling past missions they were not taken on, as if they were there right beside Shepard.


I support IT, but I think this is crossing the crazy line

I have to agree.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Eryri wrote...

@ Restrider - I've just voted in your poll. Well done for trying to make a coherent argument for IT. We need a clear and straightforward list of IT's strongest points.

Just caught up with the new trailer - excellent news to see more of Harbinger! Let's hope he returns in SP!


New trailer?Posted Image

THE OUTCOME IS INEVITABLE. Retaliation trailer supports IT!


OMFGOMFGOMFGOMFGOMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Has a seizure"

This looks unfreakenbelieveable.
This is going to be legen- wait for it.....dary.
Will this affect the SP?Cause i'm sure my shep will be happy to learn that his old buddies are back.Posted Image

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munnellyladt wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

THE OUTCOME IS INEVITABLE. Retaliation trailer supports IT!


OMFGOMFGOMFGOMFGOMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Has a seizure"

This looks unfreakenbelieveable.
This is going to be legen- wait for it.....dary.
Will this affect the SP?Cause i'm sure my shep will be happy to learn that his old buddies are back.Posted Image

I KNOW IT'S SOOOOO AWESOME! This is basically confirmation of Collectors in Omega!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted Image

And Harbinger.Posted Image    Posted Image

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Collectors will almost certainly appear in the Omega dlc. I would put money on it.

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It's not theoretically impossible if Shepard and Vega are targeted for indoctrination. It's just incredibly vague and can be explained several non indoctrination ways. That being said, it's not impossible, especially if you leave out Hellish's larger implication behind that point. Not buying it, just saying it's not completely outside the realm of possibility that the two people on the ship who have displayed signs of indoctrination attempts could have some memory bleeding

Just to be clear, I'm not advocating for this. Just saying it's not full blown insane

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 05 octobre 2012 - 07:17 .


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The 62nd Flog wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Just finished CW ep2. Interesting observations on shared memory. I had always overlooked characters not taken on a mission commenting on it as a simple game feature. A feature meant to prevent agonizing squad-mate choices based on whose post mission dialog the player wants to listen to.

But the more I think about it, the more it seems to make sense for BW to not include shared memories in the indoctrination codex entry. It allows players to overlook squad-mates recalling past missions they were not taken on, as if they were there right beside Shepard.


I support IT, but I think this is crossing the crazy line


I'm just tosing ideas out. No need to brand me as crazy. 

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 05 octobre 2012 - 07:20 .


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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The 62nd Flog wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Just finished CW ep2. Interesting observations on shared memory. I had always overlooked characters not taken on a mission commenting on it as a simple game feature. A feature meant to prevent agonizing squad-mate choices based on whose post mission dialog the player wants to listen to.

But the more I think about it, the more it seems to make sense for BW to not include shared memories in the indoctrination codex entry. It allows players to overlook squad-mates recalling past missions they were not taken on, as if they were there right beside Shepard.


I support IT, but I think this is crossing the crazy line


I'm just tosing ideas out. No need to brand me as crazy. 


I saw your edit...not ready to go back yet? lol jk bro

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spotlessvoid wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The 62nd Flog wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Just finished CW ep2. Interesting observations on shared memory. I had always overlooked characters not taken on a mission commenting on it as a simple game feature. A feature meant to prevent agonizing squad-mate choices based on whose post mission dialog the player wants to listen to.

But the more I think about it, the more it seems to make sense for BW to not include shared memories in the indoctrination codex entry. It allows players to overlook squad-mates recalling past missions they were not taken on, as if they were there right beside Shepard.


I support IT, but I think this is crossing the crazy line


I'm just tosing ideas out. No need to brand me as crazy. 


I saw your edit...not ready to go back yet? lol jk bro


I got my jacket on. Im waiting for the men in white coats to show up.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The 62nd Flog wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Just finished CW ep2. Interesting observations on shared memory. I had always overlooked characters not taken on a mission commenting on it as a simple game feature. A feature meant to prevent agonizing squad-mate choices based on whose post mission dialog the player wants to listen to.

But the more I think about it, the more it seems to make sense for BW to not include shared memories in the indoctrination codex entry. It allows players to overlook squad-mates recalling past missions they were not taken on, as if they were there right beside Shepard.


I support IT, but I think this is crossing the crazy line


I'm just tosing ideas out. No need to brand me as crazy. 

*crawls back to loony bin*




Here's a shortcut:

http://social.biowar...ndex/12153660/1

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

THE OUTCOME IS INEVITABLE. Retaliation trailer supports IT!


OMFGOMFGOMFGOMFGOMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Has a seizure"

This looks unfreakenbelieveable.
This is going to be legen- wait for it.....dary.
Will this affect the SP?Cause i'm sure my shep will be happy to learn that his old buddies are back.Posted Image

I KNOW IT'S SOOOOO AWESOME! This is basically confirmation of Collectors in Omega!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted Image

And Harbinger.Posted Image    Posted Image


And that jetpacking turian assassin guy...I don't want him...I NEED him.

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The 62nd Flog wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The 62nd Flog wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Just finished CW ep2. Interesting observations on shared memory. I had always overlooked characters not taken on a mission commenting on it as a simple game feature. A feature meant to prevent agonizing squad-mate choices based on whose post mission dialog the player wants to listen to.

But the more I think about it, the more it seems to make sense for BW to not include shared memories in the indoctrination codex entry. It allows players to overlook squad-mates recalling past missions they were not taken on, as if they were there right beside Shepard.


I support IT, but I think this is crossing the crazy line


I'm just tosing ideas out. No need to brand me as crazy. 

*crawls back to loony bin*




Here's a shortcut:

http://social.biowar...ndex/12153660/1


Can you just kill me instead?

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plfranke wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Just finished CW ep2. Interesting observations on shared memory. I had always overlooked characters not taken on a mission commenting on it as a simple game feature. A feature meant to prevent agonizing squad-mate choices based on whose post mission dialog the player wants to listen to.

But the more I think about it, the more it seems to make sense for BW to not include shared memories in the indoctrination codex entry. It allows players to overlook squad-mates recalling past missions they were not taken on, as if they were there right beside Shepard.

But come on do you really think that no one on the ship talks to each other? It's not unreasonable to think they were just briefed on what hapened.


As pointed out in the very first example Shepard motioned his squad away and the conversation was not of mission importane...I mean i doubt Shepard briefed James on Andersons love life...

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The 62nd Flog wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The 62nd Flog wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Just finished CW ep2. Interesting observations on shared memory. I had always overlooked characters not taken on a mission commenting on it as a simple game feature. A feature meant to prevent agonizing squad-mate choices based on whose post mission dialog the player wants to listen to.

But the more I think about it, the more it seems to make sense for BW to not include shared memories in the indoctrination codex entry. It allows players to overlook squad-mates recalling past missions they were not taken on, as if they were there right beside Shepard.


I support IT, but I think this is crossing the crazy line


I'm just tosing ideas out. No need to brand me as crazy. 

*crawls back to loony bin*




Here's a shortcut:

http://social.biowar...ndex/12153660/1


Can you just kill me instead?


Synthesis has that covered too. It's very inclusive!

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To elaborate on my bit of crazy: There are a few things that only Shepard would know, things he'd have no reason to include in a mission report, that other squadmates, like James can recall as if they were there in the moment experiencing it.

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" Can you just kill me instead?"

Right? I saw a thread that said what if synthesis was the only option...I responded that death is always an option. That kind of crazy needs to be quarantined

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Im going to pull a paxxton. Just give me a moment.

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Promission to kill myself sir for reading the Synthesis front page.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

To elaborate on my bit of crazy: There are a few things that only Shepard would know, things he'd have no reason to include in a mission report, that other squadmates, like James can recall as if they were there in the moment experiencing it.

Can you give examples of this or tell me the time in the video it's discussed because I really don't want to watch the whole thing just to see one part

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plfranke wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

To elaborate on my bit of crazy: There are a few things that only Shepard would know, things he'd have no reason to include in a mission report, that other squadmates, like James can recall as if they were there in the moment experiencing it.

Can you give examples of this or tell me the time in the video it's discussed because I really don't want to watch the whole thing just to see one part


Probably around 25minutes into it. I cannot recall perfectly where. Its the part where he goes into detail about James and shared memories.

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plfranke wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

To elaborate on my bit of crazy: There are a few things that only Shepard would know, things he'd have no reason to include in a mission report, that other squadmates, like James can recall as if they were there in the moment experiencing it.

Can you give examples of this or tell me the time in the video it's discussed because I really don't want to watch the whole thing just to see one part


During the mission to Grissom Academy Shepard motions his two squad mates out of the room while he talks to that lady near the start, the one who was romantically involved with Anderson in the past.

Later after the mission Vega comments on this past relationship.

This all despite not beeing present and even if he was in the mission he was not in the room where the conversation took place. And I doubt Shepard included such things in a debriefing.