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[D.Sharrah]

Just watched CW Ep 2...not sure how much discussion there has been yet...and don't want to get into huge debate...but some very interesting and valid points...and the implications, unpleasant. But now it is my turn to go off the crazy wall...is Hellish implying that there may be more than once source of indoctrination that we have to worry about? I remember the Firewalker missions in ME 2 had alot to do with collecting those orbs (which we were lead to believe at the time were Prothean)...the assumption is that they went to Cerberus...and now knowing that they are of Leviathan origin, puts things on their head a bit. After all, didn't we learn in ME 2 that the Collectors (who just happen to be Reaper agents) were after those orbs...were the Reaper's trying to find a way to "breach the darkness" then?!? And being that they went to Cerberus...have the Leviathans being influencing their actions in ME 3, not the Reapers?

[D.Sharrah]

Intersting to see that there is alot of debate about the shared memories thing...I thought that was well done...not sure if I buy it completely...I think that some of the things you can chalk up to gossip (yes, it does happen people)...but I have nver been quite sure what to think of Vega...he's supposed to be this rook that people new to the series can relate to, but he seems to have an unusual ability to process the information important to the story so that he doesn't look like a complete noob (and maybe that's all game mechanic)...but the video does a good job of pointing out that there may be more going on there then we know. For example, I was more drawn to similarities of stance, posture, and gestures that Vega takes on in relationship to Shep > there are some scenes where they just seem to be good mirros of each other...again, could be nothing.

But the biggest thing for me is that Vega destroys a Collector Ship...something that it took Shep getting a Thanix Cannon (or sacrificing some of the crew) to get done...and yet we never here about in ME 2!?! Wouldn't that be pretty big news to a crew that is looking for a way to stop the Collector's?

Edit:  I guess everyone is playing MP for the OP...guess I could do that too.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 05 octobre 2012 - 08:11 .

[Restrider]

Maybe James Vega sneaks into Liara's room while she is asleep/showering/ashore/harassing Shepard in his cabin/sitting with Garrus in the lounge/threatening Javik/eating and hacks into her SB terminal.
On the other hand, he never seemed like the techy guy.
Edit: Good idea, I'll do that too.

Modifié par Restrider, 05 octobre 2012 - 08:15 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

I'm having alot of good luck with public matches today. Managed to clear the upload objective on gold in London against reapers (a death trap in 9/10 cases) twice with little trouble.

[DoomsdayDevice]

@Restrider: great job on the IT backbone... but! =P

" - soldiers in Destroy fighting fiercly while that scene is missing in Control/Synthesis (on a side note: no cheering in Synthesis)"

Actually, that scene isn't missing in control/synth, the soldier in control/synth is being overcome by a husk and is about to die. In other words: he's losing. The soldier in destroy shoots that husk, and then some. In other words: winning.

Also: fiercely.

Also, I voted on that poll. Is it just one poll, or am I missing something?

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 05 octobre 2012 - 08:58 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

I liked Hellish's video, but I think the shared memories thing is... reaching. I've always seen it as a game mechanic, but that one bit of dialogue is totally foreshadowing of the end.

They're talking about the citadel, but just read this with the ending in mind:

Vega: "It's... not right. It looks pretty... calm, and peaceful, but it's not right. It's all just an illusion."

(...)

"They'd rather believe this than face the truth."

Shepard: "I can hardly believe it myself. Like everything back on Earth was some kind of nightmare."

Vega: "Yeah. That's what I hate most. It's like this place wants you to forget that."

Also @ Banshee:

You posted some Samara quotes (favouring destroy) recently. I think you posted three of them. I knew one of them, but the other two I couldn't remember. Can you post them again and remember when/where she says those?

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 05 octobre 2012 - 09:08 .

[Restrider]

@DD Now I am just asking the crowd which point should be the number one reason in that ranking. After that a poll for number two will follow and so on. That's at least what I hope to do.
Btw, can you show me the timestamps of those soldiers in Control/Synthesis in the videos I linked? I do not find them, lol.
Edit: Damn it, I think those are the pre-EC endings >.<.

Modifié par Restrider, 05 octobre 2012 - 09:10 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

@RR:

Synthesis

Control

Destroy

Control/synthesis = identical.

Also, WOW, it's true! I never noticed that before!

In the moment right before this, the soldiers cheer in destroy/control. In synthesis, they just stand there, no cheering.

[AresKeith]

I'll be disappointed if the Volus are actually new characters

[BatmanTurian]

hey guys, look what we're frickin' back to: http://social.biowar.../index/14367719

Indoctrinating shepard Is Not Their Plan


" With the Extended Cut and Leviathan DLC released, I'm surprised to see
that there are some people still hanging on to the Indoctrination
Theory. Don't get me wrong, it's a good theory, back before the Extended
Cut and Leviathan, and I used to be a believer, but not anymore,
because I've taken notice of some evidence in the DLCs that point out to
a scheme that's bigger than indoctrination...."

Read more and have a cup of RAGE. lol

[ajk_Jack]

@BatmanTurian
Very entertaining read. Lol.

[masster blaster]

DD Also In Control the Citadel closes, and does not get Destroyed!

Why is it that In Control the Citadel doesn't blow up, yet in Synthesis it does.

Synthesis shoud'nt cause the Citadel to blow up it's just synthesising everything in the galaxy.

Also notice in Destroy ending the first soldier we see is on the ground, and this other soldier helps him up. Yet only in Destroy ending with high EMS, or mabye low too The soldier that was on the ground, is standing by with the other soldier.

Yet in Synthesis, and Control the soldier on the ground cowards in fear, while the other soldier is pinned down on the ground.

[Restrider]

So, for the first time I watched the whole Synthesis ending. I know... calm down.
My associations:
This, this and this.

Modifié par Restrider, 05 octobre 2012 - 09:38 .

[masster blaster]

Restrider is it all right we drop your post in that thread?

[spotlessvoid]

Series of posts in another thread. Nobody had a response. Lol

Final Hours clearly stated that Bioware hadtrouble implementing a game mechanic where the player loses control of Shepard along side the dialogue wheel. What that proves that indoctrination was where Bioware intended the narrative to go. Bioware wouldn't just drop that and change the whole story. Instead, they implemented it in stunning meta fashion.
Extended cut was acrappy slide show that makes a mockery of everything mass effect. It was a bone thrown to everyone raging over the ending because they didn't get what Bioware was going for. A short voice over and some still pictures are nothing but a,way to quite things down enough to let their dlc plan be put into effect. Extended Cut was a huge joke


Control: Shepard is in charge of the entire Reaper armada. Nobody can challenge him. No conflict can exist in any large enough sense to make a sequel

Synthesis: The entire galaxy and Reaper armada are working as one. No potential conflict, no potential sequel.

Destroy: Possible, but the Reapers are gone. Leviathan wouldbe only enemy possible. Completely anti climatic since the Leviathan only have a fraction of Reaper numbers.

Bioware will have to spit in everyone's face who doesn't choose their given ending canon to make a sequel. It would literally be like your choice didn't happen

The only possibility is IT where choosing destroy breaks the indoctrination attempt. This would mean your final choice DOES matter, but only Sheps who break indoctrination can get up/have their assets/squad help to activate the crucible.

Personally like the idea that the crucible only brings down the Reapers shields allowing the galactic fleet to drive the Reapers out of Sol system. Thus, taking Earth back, and setting up perfectly for future content

[Restrider]

masster blaster wrote...

Restrider is it all right we drop your post in that thread?

Lol, post it where ever you want, it is not my property.

[Restrider]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

@RR:

Synthesis

Control

Destroy

Control/synthesis = identical.

Also, WOW, it's true! I never noticed that before!

In the moment right before this, the soldiers cheer in destroy/control. In synthesis, they just stand there, no cheering.

That's actually what I dug out of one of MB's posts. So the credits go to him.

Modifié par Restrider, 05 octobre 2012 - 09:57 .

[Skillz1986]

Hey totally off topic, but kind of funny. Don't know wehter it has been mentioned already or not.

Do you remeber brysons experiment, the husk head sitting in his lab? Well out of boredome i triggered it repeatdly and after a certain amount of electrocutions..the thing blew up. Don't know if it's important but it was still in the lab when i did it...don't whether it's still possible once you brought it to the normandy.

[Arashi08]

Wow...I've been gone for two weeks and I've missed soooooo much!

[Restrider]

BatmanTurian wrote...

hey guys, look what we're frickin' back to: http://social.biowar.../index/14367719

Indoctrinating shepard Is Not Their Plan


" With the Extended Cut and Leviathan DLC released, I'm surprised to see
that there are some people still hanging on to the Indoctrination
Theory. Don't get me wrong, it's a good theory, back before the Extended
Cut and Leviathan, and I used to be a believer, but not anymore,
because I've taken notice of some evidence in the DLCs that point out to
a scheme that's bigger than indoctrination...."

Read more and have a cup of RAGE. lol

The title is misleading and biased. The post itself is not that bad. It is one of the better (kind of) literal interpretations. And I think Bill Casey (well, someone with a Drell Avatar^^) and I discussed this a few pages ago.

Modifié par Restrider, 05 octobre 2012 - 09:58 .

[BatmanTurian]

wanted to add this little snippet from a post of mine in another thread and I think it's important to IT, so you can figure out how you can include it, Restrider, and maybe how you want to reword it if it's hard to understand.

"Can I just politely point out that in each ending except refuse, the narrator says what they will do or what will happen, as if they're talking about the future. They're not talking about the present, therefore, an argument could be made that nothing said or in the slides actually happens. EDI says the galaxy will do stuff. She doesn't say it in past tense.

If it had actually happened, she would have said it in past tense. Same goes for Shepreaper and Hackett. They're just expressing their hopes and you're seeing images of those hopes. What you are seeing is not what might actually be happening based on the use of tense. "

[BatmanTurian]

Restrider wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

hey guys, look what we're frickin' back to: http://social.biowar.../index/14367719

Indoctrinating shepard Is Not Their Plan


" With the Extended Cut and Leviathan DLC released, I'm surprised to see
that there are some people still hanging on to the Indoctrination
Theory. Don't get me wrong, it's a good theory, back before the Extended
Cut and Leviathan, and I used to be a believer, but not anymore,
because I've taken notice of some evidence in the DLCs that point out to
a scheme that's bigger than indoctrination...."

Read more and have a cup of RAGE. lol

The title is misleading and biased. The post itself is not that bad. It is one of the better (kind of) literal interpretations. And I think I and Bill Casey (well, someone with a Drell Avatar^^) discussed this a few pages ago.

It still makes me go " buh.....no." There's a chance, but it's a slim, slim chance. I mean, then we'd be saying the signs of indoctrination are red herrings themselves and now we're into wtf territory.

[Arashi08]

soo...who's gonna play ME3 MP with the devs?

[BatmanTurian]

Arashi08 wrote...

soo...who's gonna play ME3 MP with the devs?

No, thanks. They don't want to hear what I want to say. They would probably mute or boot me. I'll spare them the trouble.

(man, I'm in a Rifneo mood tonight.)

[Skillz1986]

Soooo i guess the exploding husk head in bryson's lab was old news?...story of my life, always late to the party