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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Before I go off, I'll remind you to vote on this poll.
BTW: I am playing with the idea to extend the poll to two days each. I would need 20 days, so the polls would be presumably completed a few days for Omega DLC.
Edit: Now that's a good post to have on top, isn't it?

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

soo...who's gonna play ME3 MP with the devs?


No, thanks. They don't want to hear what I want to say. They would probably mute or boot me. I'll spare them the trouble.

(man, I'm in a Rifneo mood tonight.)

Honesly I wonder if they are worried they are gonna get either bombarded by questions or by hate.  Maybe they assume most people have stopped caring by now? lol

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 Well looks like the Mods want me to continue discussing IT related things here instead of a separate thread. More evidence that IT is the answer?  Maybe lol.  I'm going to start out with the thought that I think it may be possible that Shepard was slowly indoctrinated since ME 1. That vid I watched really had me convinced about the whole indoctrination theory. Before that I was choosing Synthesis because I was attempting to save someone without really considering it was Shepard's mind that needed saving. guess I was indoctrinated along with most everyone else. 

Here's a question: why is there a need to move the citadel from the serpent nebula to earth?  Vigil said it was one big mass relay and it controls all of the other smaller ones.  It really didn't get answered earlier. It may just add to the indoctrination theory that because it plays out in shepard's mind the citadel never actually moved in the first place. 

Thoughts?

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Arashi08 wrote...

soo...who's gonna play ME3 MP with the devs?


I would, but I don't have ME3 on the Xbox 360.  Only the PC.  If they did a PC play with the devs day... 

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Seriously? I would understand if you'd steamrolled past my posts if you were on topic yourselves..but you're not:) just want to know whether someone has already noticed it ;)

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

 Well looks like the Mods want me to continue discussing IT related things here instead of a separate thread. More evidence that IT is the answer?  Maybe lol.  I'm going to start out with the thought that I think it may be possible that Shepard was slowly indoctrinated since ME 1. That vid I watched really had me convinced about the whole indoctrination theory. Before that I was choosing Synthesis because I was attempting to save someone without really considering it was Shepard's mind that needed saving. guess I was indoctrinated along with most everyone else. 

Here's a question: why is there a need to move the citadel from the serpent nebula to earth?  Vigil said it was one big mass relay and it controls all of the other smaller ones.  It really didn't get answered earlier. It may just add to the indoctrination theory that because it plays out in shepard's mind the citadel never actually moved in the first place. 

Thoughts?

If you are new to this theory then go to the OP, you will find a lot of videos that will show you a lot more details.
If you want to see a short oversight, click on my signature IT's Top Ten. After skimming through that you might aswell participate at the poll.
Good speculating :happy:.

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Skillz1986 wrote...

Seriously? I would understand if you'd steamrolled past my posts if you were on topic yourselves..but you're not:) just want to know whether someone has already noticed it ;)


I knew you could take it if you had James with you. Didn't do it because I thought having a husk head in my cabin was just creepy. But I didn't know that it would explode, no. That almost makes me want to turn on ME3 again and see if I can get that to happen. :)

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It was the second time in the lab..before you go after ann bryson. Just keep electrocuting it..at some point it just blows up. Scared the hell out of me.

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I didn't even know you could take it...
I wonder, can you take it THEN make it explode? :P

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Skillz1986 wrote...

It was the second time in the lab..before you go after ann bryson. Just keep electrocuting it..at some point it just blows up. Scared the hell out of me.


Good to know. :)

I have a renegade game I haven't messed with in a while. Could be fun.

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Restrider wrote...

If you are new to this theory then go to the OP, you will find a lot of videos that will show you a lot more details.
If you want to see a short oversight, click on my signature IT's Top Ten. After skimming through that you might aswell participate at the poll.
Good speculating :happy:.


actually it was this vid that sold me on it:  

you and probably most people on the IT thread have probably seen it. After watching it I was like omg how could I have been so misled!  So yep I'm new to the whole IT thing. Will try to speed catch up to everything. 

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Hey all! I know someone has posted the link already, and sorry for not doing that myself, but by the time I finally got all the bugs worked out of the render and the video posted, I was exhausted and crashed. And I still missed my targetted release date by quite a bit. :blink: Sorry to any who were checking and waiting for it. Anyway, just wanted to go ahead and post the link myself as well.

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Choose Wisely - Episode 2


Since obviously there is going to be some contention on some particular subjects in the videos from here on out, I would like to stress to you guys that we are in no way trying to tell you what to believe. These videos are just to put information out there for you to use in order to make your own decisions. There may be some opinions of ours here and there, and we are certain there is a "truth" to be found, but we try to present everything as passively as possible so that you may only take what you want to take from it. Feel free to disagree on anything without worrying about offending me. 

Thanks to those who have watched and enjoyed it so far. If you havent already, subscribe to my channel so you'll be sure to be notified when new trailers and episodes are released. Our running target dates are the last Friday of each month. :)

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anyway, I still think the tense of the wording in the red-blue-green endings is important. They speak as if they haven't arrived at the future they are talking about. They say " We will do this" instead of " We did that".

With my writer's mind, this is why I find what they say to be suspect. They aren't psychic. They don't actually know what will happen in the future. These are just their hopes for the future. There is no evidence that it actually happens or they would be speaking about it in the past tense.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 05 octobre 2012 - 10:28 .


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Great job Hellish and Co.! You presented some very thought-provoking ideas!

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HellishFiend wrote...

Hey all! I know someone has posted the link already, and sorry for not doing that myself, but by the time I finally got all the bugs worked out of the render and the video posted, I was exhausted and crashed. And I still missed my targetted release date by quite a bit. :blink: Sorry to any who were checking and waiting for it. Anyway, just wanted to go ahead and post the link myself as well.

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Choose Wisely - Episode 2


Since obviously there is going to be some contention on some particular subjects in the videos from here on out, I would like to stress to you guys that we are in no way trying to tell you what to believe. These videos are just to put information out there for you to use in order to make your own decisions. There may be some opinions of ours here and there, and we are certain there is a "truth" to be found, but we try to present everything as passively as possible so that you may only take what you want to take from it. Feel free to disagree on anything without worrying about offending me. 

Thanks to those who have watched and enjoyed it so far. If you havent already, subscribe to my channel so you'll be sure to be notified when new trailers and episodes are released. Our running target dates are the last Friday of each month. :)


Watched it earlier this evening and it was very good and well-made. The Vega connection is not one I made so it's interesting. It's a little shaky though, so I wouldn't say it's any kind of solid evidence.

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Skillz1986 wrote...

Soooo i guess the exploding husk head in bryson's lab was old news?...story of my life, always late to the party ;)


Hmmm? Exploding?

What do you mean?

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NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Great job Hellish and Co.! You presented some very thought-provoking ideas!



Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!:happy:

BatmanTurian wrote...


Watched it earlier this evening and it was very good and well-made. The Vega connection is not one I made so it's interesting. It's a little shaky though, so I wouldn't say it's any kind of solid evidence.


Thanks!  To clarify - we are not necessarily presenting things as "evidence", per se.  Any wording that implies we're presenting it as evidence is probably a mistake that slipped past us. It's simply intended to be information that you can take to help you make up your mind about things on your own (hence the title of the series being Choose Wisely). If anyone chooses to take any of it as evidence, that is great, but if not, that's fine too. 

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BatmanTurian wrote...

anyway, I still think the tense of the wording in the red-blue-green endings is important. They speak as if they haven't arrived at the future they are talking about. They say " We will do this" instead of " We did that".

With my writer's mind, this is why I find what they say to be suspect. They aren't psychic. They don't actually know what will happen in the future. These are just their hopes for the future. There is no evidence that it actually happens or they would be speaking about it in the past tense.


That's a good point, and something I hadn't really noticed before. The way they talk about it is very speculative, like "well hopefully this is a good thing."

What about the low-EMS destroy, though? Do you think that one ends so abruptly because Shepard "died" in the rubble in London (hence the lack of the breath scene)? That's always the way I've kind of understood it.

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HellishFiend wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Great job Hellish and Co.! You presented some very thought-provoking ideas!



Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!:happy:

BatmanTurian wrote...


Watched it earlier this evening and it was very good and well-made. The Vega connection is not one I made so it's interesting. It's a little shaky though, so I wouldn't say it's any kind of solid evidence.


Thanks!  To clarify - we are not necessarily presenting things as "evidence", per se.  Any wording that implies we're presenting it as evidence is probably a mistake that slipped past us. It's simply intended to be information that you can take to help you make up your mind about things on your own (hence the title of the series being Choose Wisely). If anyone chooses to take any of it as evidence, that is great, but if not, that's fine too. 


That's fine. I didn't think you were presenting it as evidence. I was just weighing in. I still find it intriguing and the editing and music are top notch. You guys did a great job.

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Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

anyway, I still think the tense of the wording in the red-blue-green endings is important. They speak as if they haven't arrived at the future they are talking about. They say " We will do this" instead of " We did that".

With my writer's mind, this is why I find what they say to be suspect. They aren't psychic. They don't actually know what will happen in the future. These are just their hopes for the future. There is no evidence that it actually happens or they would be speaking about it in the past tense.


That's a good point, and something I hadn't really noticed before. The way they talk about it is very speculative, like "well hopefully this is a good thing."

What about the low-EMS destroy, though? Do you think that one ends so abruptly because Shepard "died" in the rubble in London (hence the lack of the breath scene)? That's always the way I've kind of understood it.


Yeah, that makes sense.

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@doomsday. Just keep electrocuting the husk head in brysons lab. See for yourself. I did it the second time i was there, before you go after ann bryson.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

anyway, I still think the tense of the wording in the red-blue-green endings is important. They speak as if they haven't arrived at the future they are talking about. They say " We will do this" instead of " We did that".

With my writer's mind, this is why I find what they say to be suspect. They aren't psychic. They don't actually know what will happen in the future. These are just their hopes for the future. There is no evidence that it actually happens or they would be speaking about it in the past tense.

I'm in the same boat with you there. I can't really think of WHY the tense seems important. There's certainly something of value from that.

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HellishFiend wrote...

Hey all! I know someone has posted the link already, and sorry for not doing that myself, but by the time I finally got all the bugs worked out of the render and the video posted, I was exhausted and crashed. And I still missed my targetted release date by quite a bit. :blink: Sorry to any who were checking and waiting for it. Anyway, just wanted to go ahead and post the link myself as well.

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Choose Wisely - Episode 2


Since obviously there is going to be some contention on some particular subjects in the videos from here on out, I would like to stress to you guys that we are in no way trying to tell you what to believe. These videos are just to put information out there for you to use in order to make your own decisions. There may be some opinions of ours here and there, and we are certain there is a "truth" to be found, but we try to present everything as passively as possible so that you may only take what you want to take from it. Feel free to disagree on anything without worrying about offending me. 

Thanks to those who have watched and enjoyed it so far. If you havent already, subscribe to my channel so you'll be sure to be notified when new trailers and episodes are released. Our running target dates are the last Friday of each month. :)


Great job with the video.

Something to add - I think Vega is not the only one who is having shared memories - i remember i scene when you walk out on garrus in a launge telling some stories to one of the normandy crew members - so i listen in and the while ho goes on about doing something i was like - Hey  i did that! I'm standing right here and can hear you talk. Have some shame. 

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demersel wrote...

Great job with the video.

Something to add - I think Vega is not the only one who is having shared memories - i remember i scene when you walk out on garrus in a launge telling some stories to one of the normandy crew members - so i listen in and the while ho goes on about doing something i was like - Hey  i did that! I'm standing right here and can hear you talk. Have some shame. 


Thanks! And yeah, good observation. There are other examples of things that could be interpreted as shared memories if you look for them. 

BatmanTurian wrote...

That's fine. I didn't think you were presenting it as evidence. I was just weighing in. I still find it intriguing and the editing and music are top notch. You guys did a great job.


Many thanks. :) I put a lot of work and detail into the editing and music selections, so it's great to know that you enjoyed that aspect of it!

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Just a quick visit...going to play MP in a sec and if anyone is interested my GT is MidProduct08. See ya!!!