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[BatmanTurian]

ajk_Jack wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

anyway, I still think the tense of the wording in the red-blue-green endings is important. They speak as if they haven't arrived at the future they are talking about. They say " We will do this" instead of " We did that".

With my writer's mind, this is why I find what they say to be suspect. They aren't psychic. They don't actually know what will happen in the future. These are just their hopes for the future. There is no evidence that it actually happens or they would be speaking about it in the past tense.

I'm in the same boat with you there. I can't really think of WHY the tense seems important. There's certainly something of value from that.

I think the tense is important because it might be a clue that it's not actually happening. It's just an extension of Shep's subconcious in that timeless unconcious state before death (except in High-EMS Destroy obviously) bleeding over and saying what it hopes will happen because of Shep's decisions. That's my opinion.

If there's another reason, I think it might be that those aren't even the real endings either and are just place-holders to placate the players until they finish the DLC and release the real endings, which it seems they will eventually do. Each SP DLC adds onto the ending.

As for a literal interpretation? It makes no sense to speak in a future tense. Bioware writers aren't stupid and this can't be a writing mistake because the tense is the same in all three endings. I wouldn't even know how to begin to explain a literal interpretation of why we are hearing characters giving speeches as if they are running for president and these things are what they hope will happen in the future.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 05 octobre 2012 - 10:45 .

[CmdrShep80]

Skillz1986 wrote...

@doomsday. Just keep electrocuting the husk head in brysons lab. See for yourself. I did it the second time i was there, before you go after ann bryson.

i took mine home with me o.0 probably a stupid thing to do now that I had time to realize it. But, lucky me I think I saved my ending so I can go back before the leviathan's roc and just do it again...I think. 

Can individual husks cause indoctrination?  Can EDI ever be indoctrinated maybe on both. 

[ajk_Jack]

BatmanTurian wrote...


I think the tense is important because it might be a clue that it's not actually happening. It's just an extension of Shep's subconcious in that timeless unconcious state before death (except in High-EMS Destroy obviously) bleeding over and saying what it hopes will happen because of Shep's decisions. That's my opinion.

If there's another reason, I think it might be that those aren't even the real endings either and are just place-holders to placate the players until they finish the DLC and release the real endings, which it seems they will eventually do. Each SP DLC adds onto the ending.

As for a literal interpretation? It makes no sense to speak in a future tense. Bioware aren't stupid and this can't be a writing mistake because the tense is the same in all three endings. I wouldn't even know how to begin to explain a literal interpretation of why we are hearing characters giving speeches as if they are running for president and these things are what they hope will happen in the future.

Well, that makes sense. Shep is hoping that no matter what choice he/she made, it was the right one. Because it 'hasn't happened yet' due to the fact it isn't real Shep uses non-present tense. 
Pretty sneaky clue... 

Modifié par ajk_Jack, 05 octobre 2012 - 10:48 .

[BatmanTurian]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

@doomsday. Just keep electrocuting the husk head in brysons lab. See for yourself. I did it the second time i was there, before you go after ann bryson.

i took mine home with me o.0 probably a stupid thing to do now that I had time to realize it. But, lucky me I think I saved my ending so I can go back before the leviathan's roc and just do it again...I think. 

Can individual husks cause indoctrination?  Can EDI ever be indoctrinated maybe on both. 

Husks can amplify signals just as any indoctrinated person can, doubly so since they are packed with reaper tech.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 05 octobre 2012 - 10:48 .

[CmdrShep80]

By the way if the 3 games are all about IT, then does that mean the paragon and renegade choices aren't so clear after a while? I tend to be a paragon kinda player but if BioWare does a trilogy on the Wii U I might just replay it all and reconsider all of my paragon choices.

[Darth_Acheron47]

I keep seeing mentions of "another mass effect title" floating around. Does anyone know what that's about?

Anyone want to jump on the snowball of speculation that (like most other things these days) they've broken the final part of the story into two parts? (Hunger Games, Harry Potter, etc. did or are doing the same thing.) Then they're not releasing post-ending DLC because it would be Mass Effect 3: Part 2, and be a whole separate game.

Granted, I'd be mad at having to buy another full game, but...

[demersel]

HellishFiend wrote...
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Hellish, just one thing.  I really respect yours and TJ's effort. But I do get the feeling that both  of you were to quick to get fixed on one idea. You saw something that looks like it could fit, and then started to fit all of the clues to it 9while most of them do indeed fit) - there are more DLCs coming and they may contain something you did not acccount for. Really it is a possibility. (so what i'm saying while you got most of the crime deduced right you just were to quick to accused the first suspect you came across - it may be someone else entirely, something we have not yet seen and met)

[Restrider]

Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

anyway, I still think the tense of the wording in the red-blue-green endings is important. They speak as if they haven't arrived at the future they are talking about. They say " We will do this" instead of " We did that".

With my writer's mind, this is why I find what they say to be suspect. They aren't psychic. They don't actually know what will happen in the future. These are just their hopes for the future. There is no evidence that it actually happens or they would be speaking about it in the past tense.

That's a good point, and something I hadn't really noticed before. The way they talk about it is very speculative, like "well hopefully this is a good thing."

What about the low-EMS destroy, though? Do you think that one ends so abruptly because Shepard "died" in the rubble in London (hence the lack of the breath scene)? That's always the way I've kind of understood it.

I added it to under the point The Choices.

[BatmanTurian]

ajk_Jack wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...


I think the tense is important because it might be a clue that it's not actually happening. It's just an extension of Shep's subconcious in that timeless unconcious state before death (except in High-EMS Destroy obviously) bleeding over and saying what it hopes will happen because of Shep's decisions. That's my opinion.

If there's another reason, I think it might be that those aren't even the real endings either and are just place-holders to placate the players until they finish the DLC and release the real endings, which it seems they will eventually do. Each SP DLC adds onto the ending.

As for a literal interpretation? It makes no sense to speak in a future tense. Bioware aren't stupid and this can't be a writing mistake because the tense is the same in all three endings. I wouldn't even know how to begin to explain a literal interpretation of why we are hearing characters giving speeches as if they are running for president and these things are what they hope will happen in the future.

Well, that makes sense. Shep is hoping that no matter what choice he/she made, it was the right one. Because it 'hasn't happened yet' due to the fact it isn't real Shep uses non-present tense. 
Pretty sneaky clue... 

I know. I can't be the only person that realized this. Eh, maybe nobody thought about it because we were all just excited by the EC. But their wording bothered me for weeks until I finally figured out it was the tense and I was like " Everything these characters are saying is empty BS. They aren't time-travelers or psychics. "

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 05 octobre 2012 - 10:51 .

[BatmanTurian]

Restrider wrote...

Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

anyway, I still think the tense of the wording in the red-blue-green endings is important. They speak as if they haven't arrived at the future they are talking about. They say " We will do this" instead of " We did that".

With my writer's mind, this is why I find what they say to be suspect. They aren't psychic. They don't actually know what will happen in the future. These are just their hopes for the future. There is no evidence that it actually happens or they would be speaking about it in the past tense.

That's a good point, and something I hadn't really noticed before. The way they talk about it is very speculative, like "well hopefully this is a good thing."

What about the low-EMS destroy, though? Do you think that one ends so abruptly because Shepard "died" in the rubble in London (hence the lack of the breath scene)? That's always the way I've kind of understood it.

I added it to under the point The Choices.

thank you so much

[ajk_Jack]

Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

I keep seeing mentions of "another mass effect title" floating around. Does anyone know what that's about?

Anyone want to jump on the snowball of speculation that (like most other things these days) they've broken the final part of the story into two parts? (Hunger Games, Harry Potter, etc. did or are doing the same thing.) Then they're not releasing post-ending DLC because it would be Mass Effect 3: Part 2, and be a whole separate game.

Granted, I'd be mad at having to buy another full game, but...

BW has announced that another ME is very likely, if not already in the works.

[KyreneZA]

Skillz1986 wrote...

@doomsday. Just keep electrocuting the husk head in brysons lab. See for yourself. I did it the second time i was there, before you go after ann bryson.

It always explodes if you tinker with it too much. You can make it explode prior to going to find Dr Garnous (sp.) and it will be back before you go find Dr. Ann Bryson. Then make it explode again and it will be back when Vega is there. If you talk with him long enough he'll ask if you can keep it.

Once in your cabin, it can't explode. But it does interact with the space hamster. Is it a reaper device? Dunno, but it's fun as hell.

[BatmanTurian]

Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

I keep seeing mentions of "another mass effect title" floating around. Does anyone know what that's about?

Anyone want to jump on the snowball of speculation that (like most other things these days) they've broken the final part of the story into two parts? (Hunger Games, Harry Potter, etc. did or are doing the same thing.) Then they're not releasing post-ending DLC because it would be Mass Effect 3: Part 2, and be a whole separate game.

Granted, I'd be mad at having to buy another full game, but...

Gamble announced on twitter that they had started working on ME4.

[BatmanTurian]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

By the way if the 3 games are all about IT, then does that mean the paragon and renegade choices aren't so clear after a while? I tend to be a paragon kinda player but if BioWare does a trilogy on the Wii U I might just replay it all and reconsider all of my paragon choices.

The colors choices are never really consistent. It's all about the context of the situation.

[ajk_Jack]

BatmanTurian wrote...

I know. I can't be the only person that realized this. Eh, maybe nobody thought about it because we were all just excited by the EC. But their wording bothered me for weeks until I finally figured out it was the tense and I was like " Everything these characters are saying is empty BS. They aren't time-travelers or psychics. "

I never noticed the whole tense thing, but I did figure out that the endings were Shep's hope for the future. I wasn't into IT when I did the EC, so I wouldn't really have caught on to any of this at that time.

[Darth_Acheron47]

ajk_Jack wrote...

BW has announced that another ME is very likely, if not already in the works.

I remember them mentioning before that they were interested in continuing the universe. I just saw a couple of threads pop up today that seemed a little more specific and was curious if there was something else I'd missed.

[Skillz1986]

Thanks kyrene, that's all i actually wanted to know and even a little bit more.

[Darth_Acheron47]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Gamble announced on twitter that they had started working on ME4.

Interesting... I've been stalking Twitter but I must've missed that one.

I realize it's probably wishful thinking that creating a new game is a good thing (if it doesn't actually correct the broken ending, I have no interest in buying it) but it's something I'll have to keep an eye on anyway.

Thanks!

[BatmanTurian]

ajk_Jack wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I know. I can't be the only person that realized this. Eh, maybe nobody thought about it because we were all just excited by the EC. But their wording bothered me for weeks until I finally figured out it was the tense and I was like " Everything these characters are saying is empty BS. They aren't time-travelers or psychics. "

I never noticed the whole tense thing, but I did figure out that the endings were Shep's hope for the future. I wasn't into IT when I did the EC, so I wouldn't really have caught on to any of this at that time.

Like I said, I'm a writer, so the wording hit me hard like a bad note in a song would hit a musician's ears. Not saying I'm special or anything, but I think that's why I caught it.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 05 octobre 2012 - 10:58 .

[Restrider]

Okay, I am out for today.
I am looking forward to see the results of the poll.
Vote and let me know if you want something added specifically.
Oh and I may extend the time one day. But I will decide that tomorrow.
And don't let the literalist/haters win  
See ya.
AND SPREAD THA WORD !!!

[CmdrShep80]

Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

I keep seeing mentions of "another mass effect title" floating around. Does anyone know what that's about?

Anyone want to jump on the snowball of speculation that (like most other things these days) they've broken the final part of the story into two parts? (Hunger Games, Harry Potter, etc. did or are doing the same thing.) Then they're not releasing post-ending DLC because it would be Mass Effect 3: Part 2, and be a whole separate game.

Granted, I'd be mad at having to buy another full game, but...

i wouldn't be mad. I would probably say What! Mass Effect 3 is way bigger than we all thought! OMG. Though right after that I would see the $59 price tag and go BioWare!  Why not as a $39 title like Starcraft did/is doing.  

Though that part two thought would help explain the "rushed" announcement and why the IT theory never seems to be allowed to die and why the Mods have contained IT to mark I, II, and, III. MAybe they are using our thoughts as part of what will be a plot for Part 2 involving a lot of Indoctrinated Shepard fighting the war and himself. If they did all this, I think it might get people back on board and call the game epic

[spotlessvoid]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Seriously? I would understand if you'd steamrolled past my posts if you were on topic yourselves..but you're not:) just want to know whether someone has already noticed it

yes it has

[BatmanTurian]

Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Gamble announced on twitter that they had started working on ME4.

Interesting... I've been stalking Twitter but I must've missed that one.

I realize it's probably wishful thinking that creating a new game is a good thing (if it doesn't actually correct the broken ending, I have no interest in buying it) but it's something I'll have to keep an eye on anyway.

Thanks!

spotlessvoid and I used the power of logic to figure out that the only possible literal and IT canon ending that could bleed into ME4 is destroy and that it has to be a sequel.

a prequel would be boring and the player choices wouldn't matter.

There's no conflict possible in Control unless you make Shepreaper the bad guy, which is unlikely, and any other enemy would just be overwhelmed by thralled reapers.

There would be no conflict in Synthesis.

Only Destroy would have the setting for more conflict with the slate wiped clean and Shepard alive in High-EMS Destroy.

[ajk_Jack]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Like I said, I'm a writer, so the wording hit me hard like a bad note in a song would hit a musician's ears. Not saying I'm special or anything, but I think that's why I caught it.

Most certainly.
I'm a big writer/noticer-of-small-details as well, and, as I said, if I had understood IT at the time I played the EC, it probably would of stood out more. It seems obvious in retrospect, but how many people really catch on with a literal mindset? It's just another, juicy little detail for us ITers.

[Skillz1986]

@spotless

Too little, too late

Btw it's always great to have a fresh IT member in here. Always gets speculations rolling again.
And batman, great observation concerning the tense used in the ending, never struck me as important.