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[masster blaster]

Neb, yet it does have meaning, to you they are just trailers, but what do trailers show you upcoming scene. Like the Collector Ship coming to Earth at the beginning of the trailer. Aderson telling us in the Earth dlc trailer that the fleets have'nt arrived yet, and that Banshee made a comparasion to Rio possible being in SP.

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

I'm not saying those aren't good speculation. What you don't understand is that you are talking about pre-release material!

Listen lets say I am Bioware and I am making a game. I created all these new clothes for the player's Shep to wear. But to get people pumped to fight the Reapers and save Earth, I don't want them to get focused on fashion. I release a trailer showing Shep in full body armor, trusty Avenger at his side, leaping over cover.

Or,

I am still Bioware and am building an early Intro Earth mission. It turns out my alpha build got significantly shortened and cut. But we still use snippets of it to throw to the gaming media. I originally had Shepard going around equipping armor and picking up a full set of weapons. But that got cut for the final build ideas of Intro Earth. But we already used my alpha build material for the trailers. Gee, I hope people don't get tripped up by that :/

[masster blaster]

Okay Des I see what your talking about, but Shepard still has his/her regualre armor that he/she has in all the demos they show at the beginning of the game, and ME3 beginning of the game. I was going to say that the scene that I was talking about will be after Shepard wakes up, and is going back out there in the fight.

[spotlessvoid]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Don't want to people to miss this bottom of page post: http://social.biowar...7/1225#14378382

We could kill every reaper henchman in the galaxy and still get slaughtered by that Armada of Death.

What we need is a way to take down their shields

[demersel]

Guys. A thought. Mind you pure speculation, and in no way relevant to what we actually got.
Just a cool concept idea.
Imagine if not just the ending of ME3 was a hallucination, but whole of it. The whole game (which is really quite possible and may even be the case) - and the whole game is a test and a puzzle - with a final trial at the end. But there is a catch - it is on continues loop - so when you end it you are just kicked back right to the start - like ground hog day - (exactly like New game + but the concept being part of the sotry - so now you can do it again and again over and over until you do it right. exapt you can't do it right in just one go - in each go you change something, allowing you, when you do it again to do something differently and change something else, until you can finally get out of the infinite loop.
as an example of this - so you could already be in your full armor in the prologue - a game that allows it ot metagame it, ands that being part of the game! sort of the Dark Tower approach.
what do you guys thing about such a concept?

[spotlessvoid]

demersel wrote...

Guys. A thought. Mind you pure speculation, and in no way relevant to what we actually got.
Just a cool concept idea.
Imagine if not just the ending of ME3 was a hallucination, but whole of it. The whole game (which is really quite possible and may even be the case) - and the whole game is a test and a puzzle - with a final trial at the end. But there is a catch - it is on continues loop - so when you end it you are just kicked back right to the start - like ground hog day - (exactly like New game + but the concept being part of the sotry - so now you can do it again and again over and over until you do it right. exapt you can't do it right in just one go - in each go you change something, allowing you, when you do it again to do something differently and change something else, until you can finally get out of the infinite loop.
as an example of this - so you could already be in your full armor in the prologue - a game that allows it ot metagame it, ands that being part of the game! sort of the Dark Tower approach.
what do you guys thing about such a concept?

Then that means Bioware charged $10 for an imaginary Prothean friend

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

demersel wrote...

Guys. A thought. Mind you pure speculation, and in no way relevant to what we actually got.
Just a cool concept idea.
Imagine if not just the ending of ME3 was a hallucination, but whole of it. The whole game (which is really quite possible and may even be the case) - and the whole game is a test and a puzzle - with a final trial at the end. But there is a catch - it is on continues loop - so when you end it you are just kicked back right to the start - like ground hog day - (exactly like New game + but the concept being part of the sotry - so now you can do it again and again over and over until you do it right. exapt you can't do it right in just one go - in each go you change something, allowing you, when you do it again to do something differently and change something else, until you can finally get out of the infinite loop.
as an example of this - so you could already be in your full armor in the prologue - a game that allows it ot metagame it, ands that being part of the game! sort of the Dark Tower approach.
what do you guys thing about such a concept?

Then that means Bioware charged $10 for an imaginary Prothean friend

look, i'm not saying that is whyat they did. I'm just speculating about such concept. 

[CmdrShep80]

[quote]Kyrene wrote...

With the rest of the prologue I wonder if the sounds in your head are being drowned out by the real Reapers?[/quote]
The kids is quite possibly never real. There is a video on YT (I can't seem to find it now, but this one shows some of what I'm talking about) discussing how far it is from the rooftop where he plays to the building with the husks; how quickly the kid should have had to run to get there before Shepard and Anderson; that he manages to get into that locked building which a Reaper later hits directly, but is still alive in the vent.[/quote]

oooh this video helped.  I never noticed the kid running from the rooftop through the door before. You're probably right. I'll see if I can eventually find the one you're referring to

[CmdrShep80]

magnetite wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

So I watched this after I finished all that darn typing I did.  I thought this vid was great and quite hilarious too because of how obvious it was.  Nice work on making it stand out for those who are just joining. 

I actually started making the video at around 11 PM, and finished up around 1:30 AM or so, which if I remember was when you wrote your post.

But yeah, even one of the guys from ME2 states that the truth about indoctrination is "patently obvious". This video file was on the Derelict Reaper mission. I think I had that in one of my other videos (Reaper Indoctrination video files). I mean they pretty much nail TIM's description down to a T--Some old man with magic powers.

ya I remember that section. Is that why they did another like it with the whole leviathan dlc?  To show hey folks you were indoctrinated?  By the way. What did you and everyone think of the thoughts I had about the ending conversation back on page 1224?  Did you all notice what the kid said when he was talking about destroy?  I missed it all the times I've seen it till last night when he said you will not lose more than you've already lost?

[CmdrShep80]

[quote]Kyrene wrote...

With the rest of the prologue I wonder if the sounds in your head are being drowned out by the real Reapers?[/quote]
The kids is quite possibly never real. There is a video on YT (I can't seem to find it now, but this one shows some of what I'm talking about) discussing how far it is from the rooftop where he plays to the building with the husks; how quickly the kid should have had to run to get there before Shepard and Anderson; that he manages to get into that locked building which a Reaper later hits directly, but is still alive in the vent.[/quote]

oooh this video helped.  I never noticed the kid running from the rooftop through the door before. You're probably right. I'll see if I can eventually find the one you're referring to

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[CmdrShep80]

That's weird. It doubled my reply and it still didn't fix the wrong quoting. Oh well

[spotlessvoid]

Yes, yes it was.

[401 Kill]

Any new stuff since yesterday?

[CmdrShep80]

401 Kill wrote...

Any new stuff since yesterday?

Well, I would like to know if anyone stumbled on this already.  Out of all the times I missed it, I completely missed it until I wrote down my little translation piece back on page 1224.  This was when the AI was describing the destroy option and my translation that follows::

Implant AI – Your crucible device appears to be largely intact however, the effects from the blast will not be constrained to the Reapers. Technology you rely on will be affected but those who survive will have little difficulty repairing the damage. There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost.
Key translation about Destroy – the AI plays on our dependence of technology. Impagine. Pick destroy, can’t play ME3 for a month. Nooo. Plus notice the truth - . “There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost.” If you pick this you won’t lose anything that hasn’t already been lost by the time you get to the beam rush. So if you let Mordin die, he’ll still be dead. If you made peace with the Geth and Quarians. Both don’t die. Is EDI still on your ship, yep. Get it? Everything you’ve been doing will still be the same This got lost till just now actually for myself

[CmdrShep80]

I do want to post something about the starchild ending but can't do it now. Am a bit busy. It's a thought I came across while I was doing the stuff on page 1224

[Lakeshow1986]

The child deceives you in the opening with the ship being a tot, it's the theme in that things may not be what they appear to be!

[401 Kill]

CmdrShep80 wrote...
Well, I would like to know if anyone stumbled on this already.  Out of all the times I missed it, I completely missed it until I wrote down my little translation piece back on page 1224.  This was when the AI was describing the destroy option and my translation that follows::

Implant AI – Your crucible device appears to be largely intact however, the effects from the blast will not be constrained to the Reapers. Technology you rely on will be affected but those who survive will have little difficulty repairing the damage. There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost.
Key translation about Destroy – the AI plays on our dependence of technology. Impagine. Pick destroy, can’t play ME3 for a month. Nooo. Plus notice the truth - . “There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost.” If you pick this you won’t lose anything that hasn’t already been lost by the time you get to the beam rush. So if you let Mordin die, he’ll still be dead. If you made peace with the Geth and Quarians. Both don’t die. Is EDI still on your ship, yep. Get it? Everything you’ve been doing will still be the same This got lost till just now actually for myself

Oh I see, if you pick destroy, the child says that you will not lose anymore things. He words it weirdly and kind of contradicts himself. "There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost." It's interesting that Shepard would think that EDI and the Geth would be destroyed even though he is told that he won't lose anybody else...

[CmdrShep80]

401 Kill wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...
Well, I would like to know if anyone stumbled on this already.  Out of all the times I missed it, I completely missed it until I wrote down my little translation piece back on page 1224.  This was when the AI was describing the destroy option and my translation that follows::

Implant AI – Your crucible device appears to be largely intact however, the effects from the blast will not be constrained to the Reapers. Technology you rely on will be affected but those who survive will have little difficulty repairing the damage. There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost.
Key translation about Destroy – the AI plays on our dependence of technology. Impagine. Pick destroy, can’t play ME3 for a month. Nooo. Plus notice the truth - . “There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost.” If you pick this you won’t lose anything that hasn’t already been lost by the time you get to the beam rush. So if you let Mordin die, he’ll still be dead. If you made peace with the Geth and Quarians. Both don’t die. Is EDI still on your ship, yep. Get it? Everything you’ve been doing will still be the same This got lost till just now actually for myself

Oh I see, if you pick destroy, the child says that you will not lose anymore things. He words it weirdly and kind of contradicts himself. "There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost." It's interesting that Shepard would think that EDI and the Geth would be destroyed even though he is told that he won't lose anybody else...

I know.  I can't believe I missed it ever since I finished the game, which was months ago.  I watched video after video about the end and still missed it.  I have to give kudos to BioWare on this.  They put in a single line what the Paragon choice was to save Shepard.  A single line.  It works kind of like this:  Green Blue Red Refuse. 
If you try to read the 4 colors as the actual color of what it is i.e. tell me what color you actually see, you may acidentally read the word and not the true color itself.

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 06 octobre 2012 - 07:10 .

[CmdrShep80]

Oh fun now my post disappeared lol. Will try again. Edit there it goes.  Just was delayed.

Anyways the true answer to the above would be Red, Blue, Green, Black. 

Edit 2 - Hmm the colors don't seem to be showing up on my end.

Let's try this

Green written in the post before is colored Red
Blue written in the post before is colored Blue
Red written in the post before is colored Green
Refuse written in the post before is colored Black

Try it on a word doc and try to read back the color itself.  You'll probably make a mistake because two of them are correct colors and two are incorrect.

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 06 octobre 2012 - 07:12 .

[TJBartlemus]

If anyone is interested I'm playing mp. GT is MidProduct08.

[DoomsdayDevice]

demersel wrote...

Guys. A thought. Mind you pure speculation, and in no way relevant to what we actually got.
Just a cool concept idea.
Imagine
if not just the ending of ME3 was a hallucination, but whole of it. The
whole game (which is really quite possible and may even be the case) -
and the whole game is a test and a puzzle - with a final trial at the
end. But there is a catch - it is on continues loop - so when you end it
you are just kicked back right to the start - like ground hog day -
(exactly like New game + but the concept being part of the sotry - so
now you can do it again and again over and over until you do it right.
exapt you can't do it right in just one go - in each go you change
something, allowing you, when you do it again to do something
differently and change something else, until you can finally get out of
the infinite loop.
as an example of this - so you could already be in
your full armor in the prologue - a game that allows it ot metagame
it, ands that being part of the game! sort of the Dark Tower approach.
what do you guys thing about such a concept?

Lola Rennt is exactly like that. The story in the movie happens several times, until all the variables are exactly right and the outcome finally changes.

paxxton wrote...

LOL.
Definitely not enough votes for Leviathan in Restrider's poll. I
thought about the Breath Scene as a good candidate for IT's backbone
argument, but the scene takes place after the hallucination. While it's
an extremely solid evidence for IT it does nothing to prove how
Indoctrination (or more acurately Enthrallment) works. Tbh,
Indoctrination of Shepard's continued throughout the 3 games and its
culmination is reflected in the final choice in the Catalyst's Chamber.
Enthrallment is used in the ending to create the artificial environment
and, I'd argue, to control Shepard movements during the confrontation
with TIM (yes, nanides too).

Agreed. Leviathan is basically Bioware saying 'Hey look, IT is entirely possible: Here's what Reapers can do, and here's a scene that mirrors the decision chamber!'.

D.Sharrah wrote...

http://social.biowar.../index/14270089 - Interesting read if you what to take the time.  Some good things in there, but alot of supposition - my biggest question is why does it seem that everyone is so ready to jump from the Reaper's controlling the Rachni to the Leviathan's controlling the Rachni - when there is a datapad entry that says, [b]"WHAT IF..."

The flaw in that theory is that (in a literal interpretation) Shepard's mind ceases to be organic when it becomes an AI, and so it can't be controlled by the Leviathans. I brought that up in the thread, but the OP handwaved it away by saying 'it's still sort of organic', or something along those lines.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 06 octobre 2012 - 07:15 .

[BatmanTurian]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

End Conversation Part 4 - the last part:


Shepard –What exactly will happen?
Falls into the trap
Implant AI – Your crucible device appears to be largely intact however, the effects from the blast will not be constrained to the Reapers. Technology you rely on will be affected but those who survive will have little difficulty repairing the damage. There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost.
Key translation about Destroy – the AI plays on our dependence of technology. Impagine. Pick destroy, can’t play ME3 for a month. Nooo. Plus notice the truth - . “There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost.” If you pick this you won’t lose anything that hasn’t already been lost by the time you get to the beam rush. So if you let Mordin die, he’ll still be dead. If you made peace with the Geth and Quarians. Both don’t die. Is EDI still on your ship, yep. Get it? Everything you’ve been doing will still be the same This got lost till just now actually for myself
Shepard – But the Reapers will be destroyed?
Darn it you believe him don’t you Shepard?
Implant AI – Yes but the peace won’t last. Soon your children will create synthetics and then the chaos will come back.
i.e. you’ll bear weeds and the weeds will go overgrown again. Having more non-sapient synthetics just doesn’t help. We’ll just have to harvest and eat you all again just like how we get a hamburger
Shepard – There has to be another way
The other endings are Shepard’s fault. If Shepard wasn’t so far into the indoctrination, he wouldn’t have said this setting up the other two endings.Codex again - A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe
Implant AI – There is. You could instead use the energy of the crucible to seize control of the Reapers
Key Translation about Control - Eh, since he fell for it, I might as well go with something he heard already. Shepard can’t control the Reapers but the Reapers can at least turn him into a husk or something. We’ll just use the opposite of what he told TIM so he won’t be so stupid to pick this. I’ll even tell him he’ll become us, something he didn’t/doesn’t want
Shepard – So…The Illusive Man was right after all
So…you’re so duped by this Shepard? OMG you fell for the trap not once but twice!
Implant AI – Yes but he could have never taken control…because we already controlled him
Shepard – But I can…
Codex one more time - A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe
Implant AI – You will die. You will control us but you will lose everything you have
Translation – You will die. We will control your organic parts. You will lose everything you have
Shepard – How can I control the Reapers if I’m dead?
Finally the smartest thing you’ve said since you’ve been indoctrinated
Implant AI – Your corporeal form will be dissolved, but your thoughts and even your memories will continue. You will no longer be organic. Your connection to your kind will be lost, though you will remain aware of their existence
You will be a Reaper husk or something. See what happened to Seren when Sovereign took over after Seren died.
Shepard – But the Reapers will obey me?
Not again…do I need to repeat the codex again?
Implant AI – Yes we will be yours to control and direct as you see fit
Translation – Yes we will control you to direct as we see fit.
Shepard – Hmmm….
Translation for the observer, Shepard thinks decision one will wipe out everything and everyone he knows despite the statement to the contrary. Shepard also doesn’t like decision two because that’s what he’s been trying to avoid by destroying the Reapers but he can’t seem to remember what he was supposed to do when the AI says….
Implant AI – There is another solution. Synthesis
Finally I think I’ve got him now. Evil secret manical laugh about indoctrinating Shepard. Let’s play on that ego, heroics, and hope he has left
Shepard – And that is?
Curious? Another option? Might be good?
Implant AI – Add your energy to the Crucible’s The chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life into a new framework…A new DNA
i.e. we make Reaper babies if you give up now. Remember, Harbinger said that Humans were the best most ripe of the fruits of the galaxy to harvest and eat for fuel and procreate with
Shepard – Explain how my energy can be added to the crucible?
Codex entry reminder on indoctrination here yet again
Implant AI – Your organic energy, the essence of who you are will be broken down and then dispersed
Shepard – To do what exactly?
Once, twice, and now third time's the charm
Implant AI – The energy of the Crucible, released in this way will alter the matrix of all organic life in the galaxy. Organics seek perfection through technology. Synthetics seek perfection through understanding. Organics will be perfected fully by integrating fully with Synthetic technology. Synthetics will in turn will finally have full understanding of organics. It is the ideal solution. Now that we know it’s possible. It is inevitable that we will reach Synthesis
Key Translation for Synthesis – By eating your hamburger, it will convert into energy that gets dispersed throughout the Reapers to equally share and grow from. It will make us full. We can then reset all the traps, go back to hibernation, and wait for the next harvest cycle to mature and ripen. Perfect for the picking. We’ve done this before once we figured how to do it with the first, the Leviathans. This will ensure we survive and have more Reaper babies. Shepard you will choose this. It is the only one that appeals to your heroics, ego, and hopefulness.
Shepard – Why couldn’t you do it sooner?
Wait, something’s not right…
Implant AI – We have tried a similar situation in the past but it has always failed. 
Shepard – Why?
Implant AI – Because the Organics were not ready. It’s not something that can be…forced. You are ready. And you may choose it.
Try to eat an orange by forceably removing it from the tree when it’s still green. Like how it tastes? No. Then you have to patiently wait till the orange falls off the tree. Then, you know it’s ripe. The same thing with the cow. You can force it to the slaughter but stressed beef isn’t healthy. You have to convince the cow to go to the slaughter on it’s own, willingly. Only then would you get the best tasting beef.
Shepard – You’re asking me to change everything…everything. I can’t make that decision. I won’t.
Translation as seen by the Implant AI - No we’re just asking you to sacrifice yourself. Not everything else. We’ll get them eventually when they're ready. Your indoctrination was on a crock pot for slow simmer for 3 games. We think it’s about done now. The timer’s almost up.
Implant AI – Why not? Synthetics are already part of you. Can you imagine your life without them?
You have glasses right? Nuff said
Shepard – That’s beside the point
Finally recovering Shepard? It’s too late. Hook, line, and sinker. We’ve got a big one Captain.
Implant AI – Your time is at an end. You must decide
No more talk. We’re reeling in the fish Any more talk or distractions and we might lose the fish
Shepard – Let’s get this over with
Implant AI – Do what you must
 
Then it's decision time. You've got four choices but only one is the right one.  Your mind’s been screwed over so bad you’ll pick the wrong thing because of what?
Say it all together:

Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning...leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions....A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe

These three posts of yours are the best on BSN and you should make your own thread and copy this into it. Seriously.

[spotlessvoid]

TJBartlemus wrote...

If anyone is interested I'm playing mp. GT is MidProduct08.

Ohhhh, that's who it is lol. I was like who is this friending me? Give me like 30 minutes and I'll be on.

[DoomsdayDevice]

TJBartlemus wrote...

If anyone is interested I'm playing mp. GT is MidProduct08.

I might add you later today.

[spotlessvoid]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

If anyone is interested I'm playing mp. GT is MidProduct08.

I might add you later today.

add me too. you already know my gt