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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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#30701
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Okay, I am out.
Only 16 hours left to vote!
Just a reminder.
Edit: I am nailing it lately! All the last posts reminding the poll on top.

Modifié par Restrider, 06 octobre 2012 - 10:50 .


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"wisdom in harnessing strenghts of the enemy"
Which indoctrinated person do I remember hearing that line from again?

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Have we reached consensus as to who might be the...person standing behimd shepard inthe omega dlc screen? If it is a turian female, do you think she has...flexibility?

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Skillz1986 wrote...

Have we reached consensus as to who might be the...person standing behimd shepard inthe omega dlc screen? If it is a turian female, do you think she has...flexibility?


Looks Salarian to me.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Have we reached consensus as to who might be the...person standing behimd shepard inthe omega dlc screen? If it is a turian female, do you think she has...flexibility?


Looks Salarian to me.


Link?

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spotlessvoid wrote...

"wisdom in harnessing strenghts of the enemy"
Which indoctrinated person do I remember hearing that line from again?


It is patently absurd that the players who are proponents of Control and Synthesis sound precisely like the indoctrinated villains of the Mass Effect series preaching about the benefits of their favored outcome, yet they don't even realize it. When we tell them it's happening, they get defensive and hostile, just like those same villains.

They tell us we're crazy, just like Saren in the hearing in ME1. They are indoctrinated and don't even realize they are behaving this way. I feel like this was Bioware's goal with the endings and they were more wildly successful than they ever hoped to be in fooling the players. But in doing so, they created a player base that now rejects every theme the Mass Effect series had and the very core mission Shepard always pursued. They have created a horde of indoctrinated players.

Like Manuel on Eden Prime said, " No, I am not mad. I am the only sane one left!"

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 06 octobre 2012 - 11:21 .


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EpyonX3 wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Have we reached consensus as to who might be the...person standing behimd shepard inthe omega dlc screen? If it is a turian female, do you think she has...flexibility?


Looks Salarian to me.


It's a toss up, but it could very well be a female turian. The face is too blurry to be sure.

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Well if it is a turian female, i think it would be great if she was the one garrus talked about in me 2 's all i'm saying ;)

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Skillz1986 wrote...

Well if it is a turian female, i think it would be great if she was the one garrus talked about in me 2 's all i'm saying ;)


It would be a realistic contact of Garrus and not an asspull.

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byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Have we reached consensus as to who might be the...person standing behimd shepard inthe omega dlc screen? If it is a turian female, do you think she has...flexibility?


Looks Salarian to me.


Link?


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Modifié par Home run MF, 06 octobre 2012 - 11:28 .


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Guys did anyone notice Leviathan created a lab in Shepard's head. Also what if Harbinger was just an AI, but it created a Reaper body, and it harvested it's creators to remake it as Harbinger father of Reapers.

Oh and if Harbinger created a small portion of Brysons lab, then couldn't that mean Harbinger can create a Citadel/ the chocies in Shepard's head.

Also the Prothean sphere that we can have in ME2 from firewalker, I think that's their orb they use to see the galaxy, and what's happening.

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What Harbinger creats the Reapers in his own image? I just started to play Leviathan, so don't jugy me.

#30713
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Baal Sagoth wrote...

Kulbelbolka wrote...

Does anybody know the name of the sound of Shepard's awakening on the Citadel in Extended Cut? I mean what's the name of the file in resources.


Do You mean Breathng Scene?

If yes, that is CGI sequence, BIK format movie End03-Shepard_Alive_Male.bik
No separate sound file.


No, I mean this sound.

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Wait Leviathan hesitaded when Shepard mentioned the Crucible to Leviathan. He is hding something about the Crucible, and you know what's funny I think Leviathan is Indoctrinating Shepard, because this conversation is like the ending.

The talk about Harbinger, the crucible, the catalyst pruposr. All similar to the end. Also Leviathan tells Shepard " The cycle continus.". Just like if we refuse/reject the Catalyst. " The cycle continus.

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Hey mb..i tjink you really mentiomed something important right there, something i always overlooked. Leviathan not only projects familiar faces into his halluconation but also environmental objects...like the lab equipment you mentioned. This further adds to tje theory, that the ending is just a projection, since the reapers perfected the leviathans' abilities. I find that rather interesting.

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Also Leviathan tells Shepard " The Reapers will become our slaves"

Control. Reapers become Shepard's slaves, or are we seeing an illusion? I now I am not making sense, but something is up.

#30717
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had this to say to that snot who keeps posting on Restriders poll that IT is bull****

Master Warder Z
"To my knowledge of IT most of the solid evidence
that folks count on can be debunked, Personally i found it sort of
strange people put so much of their hopes into rubble texture if the
destory option was chosen. It could easily be the citadel, Espeically in
the old before EC ending where the crucible sort of exploded, In a high
war assets destory ending this is no longer the case however seeing as
how the normandy still crashes despite there not being a real reason for
it, I can see this is merely another oversight by the EC.


To me it's not evidence of anything, Like i said stuff that can be debunked if you just give it six seconds of thought. "

Give it 6 seconds of thought, and you realize that shepard walked into an
explosion the size of a small car explosion and then survived an
explosion the size of hundreds of thousands of hiroshima bombs. The
pressure alone at ground zero would be enough to pulp shepard before
incinerating and carbonizing him.

6 seconds of thought would make you realize this is impossible to survive on the citadel in a melted
suit with no faceplate at ground zero. It would probably be impossible
to survive even in a suit that was actually useful.

6 seconds of thought that you didn't use because you are dense, which again, proves
to us your deficient intellect and lack of logic and critical-thinking
skills.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 06 octobre 2012 - 11:47 .


#30718
Skillz1986

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A sound reply bats, just....irrelevant. Their sheer ignorance seems to make haters immune to any sort of logic! ;)

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Wouldn't be suprised if his response was "oh yeah? And you're...stupid! HA! swallow that!"

anyways...i'm ouu. night night

Modifié par Skillz1986, 06 octobre 2012 - 11:54 .


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Skillz1986 wrote...

A sound reply bats, just....irrelevant. Their sheer ignorance seems to make haters immune to any sort of logic! ;)


I know. It just makes me feel better to tell him why he sounds so increddibly stupid when he says Shepard can survive that blast on the Citadel. And that it only took him 6 secs to come to that conclusion. Pants-on-head stupidity makes me rage pretty hard.

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Skillz1986 wrote...

Wouldn't be suprised if his response was "oh yeah? And you're...stupid! HA! swallow that!"


actually i wouldn't be surprised if he reported me. but whatever.

It is truthfully a stupid statement to say shepard can survive that and there is no nice way to say it.

#30722
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Thanks Skiliz I just finished playing Leviathan and I saw a lab created my Shepard's memories of Bryson's lab. Now if only there were things at the end that are made from Shepard's memeorys, oh wait there is.

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Hey if you have the space hammster try to interact with it if you have the husk head, poor little space hammster, yet funnt as hell.

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Something about that armor looks prothean to me. I cant really explain why. Too bulky to be a salarian, really, so I'm going turian or prothean.

Edit: No, I think I figured out why it feels prothean to me. It looks like DA:O templar armor, and protheans are like templars in space. Jerks who want to control everything.

Modifié par byne, 07 octobre 2012 - 12:29 .


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CmdrShep80 wrote...

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Baal Sagoth wrote...

Regarding CW2 I must say that I don't buy "shared memories" part. It is still a game, and Vega "insight" on events he didn't saw can be only added just to let him say something more interesting than "We kicked their asses again". In fact it was present throughout entire trilogy: 2 squad members on mission but everyone talks about it.

But if BW original plan was to indoctrinate player, then fact that almost all detailed info about indoctrination is revealed by optional dialogue, logs etc. or completly outside game (books, comics) seems legit. In that situation only most devoted fans who not only look for every piece of lore but also keep that lore in mind could connect the dots. It's kind like reward to most passionate fans: for your time and passion you will have greater chance to resist. If IT is something that BW guys could pull off...

On the side note: CW2 series got me thinking about IT in regard whole ME trilogy. Just some fun observation:

Mass Effect 2

  • Destroy Collector Base - Paragon ending - red/orange explosion - Star in TIM's office color code BLUE
  • Keep/Control Collector Base - Renegade ending - blue/greenish explosion - Star in TIM's office color code RED
Mass Effect 3
  • Destroy - Choice color code RED - red explosion - presented as Renegade option, yet using Anderson (Paragon inclined)
  • Control - Choice color code BLUE - blue explosion - presented as Paragon option, yet using TIM (Renegade inclined)

Hmm, you might be on to something here.  I just thought the star was pretty.  I wonder if the colors change in one direction or another i.e. more green, more blue, or more red before the end as you play ME 2

I also noticed the war assets thing about it.  If you save the base, it also lowers the EMS requirements for the best "control Reapers" ending.  If you destroy the base it also lowers the EMS requirements for the best "destroy Reapers" endings.

Do you also notice how the star has 3 colors in it?  Red, blue, and green  The stills show this:

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Maybe a forshadowing of what was to come via the star color and what happens at the end?

It's also present at the end of ME1, dunno if it's the choice of saving the council or not, or just being renegade/paragon, but the planet in the background is either blueish or reddish.