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Gwyphon wrote...

I vote turian, but is there any reason why it's species is important? I feel as if I'm missing something.

Some think it's Kasumi, some Salarian, some Female Turian. It's the current hot debate right now. There doesn't seem to be much else to deliberate on yet now that we've pretty much exhausted the implications of the Retaliation confirmation.

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Looking at that Retaliation trailer again...anyone else think that one of the "jet pack" powers is just creating a tech attack like nova?

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If that is Garrus' Archangel symbol... It looks like it is a Turian...

Not necessarily. Garrus worked with various species as Archangel.

Didn't we get an e-mail from a wife(widow) of one of Garrus team members in ME2?

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Either.Ardrey wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

If that is Garrus' Archangel symbol... It looks like it is a Turian...

Not necessarily. Garrus worked with various species as Archangel.

Yes, but somebody brought up a very convincing argument of a past Turian "acquaintance" of Garrus. A certain Turian with "flexibility". (I have no evidence for this claim other than it looks like a female Turian, but how cool would that be.)

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Either.Ardrey wrote...

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A. pixels. The nose is there, it's just highly pixelated and not detailed.
b.what?
c she's asian and her face is in shadow
d. the face shape is an illusion created by pixelated shadows. It's actually oval.


This looks like Kasumi. I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few Kasumis in my time.

;)

I know you're kidding (haha) but I'm absolutely serious.


At this point, the conversation is pointless to continue. If it is really pixelated to the point that Kasumi appears to have horns and be wearing armor, it is pixelated beyond hope, and theres literally no point discussing the photo anymore.


We'll just agree to disagree, but I think you guys are jumping to conclusions when the visual evidence adds up. Why make up a new character for an infiltration mission when you can bring in Kasumi, Shepard's expert friend? But I've said enough about this, I guess.

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Edit: You can also make out Garrus' Archangel symbol on the left shoulder. Or something like it.

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I argue that you're seeing things that aren't there. look at the closeup pic i posted. Her hood connects with her suit. The garrus thing you're seeing is part of the hologram or an artifact of the pixelization

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401 Kill wrote...

Is Kasumi taller than Shepard? In that image the figure looks taller than Shepard.


She's not taller. Shepard is leaning over the console. She's in the back ground. We're looking at the scene at a wierd angle from the edge of the hologram table in the middle of the war room.

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Well...I kinda hope that it is a chracter that we have already met or at least heard of before...seems a little weird to introduce another new character (not that I wouldn't put it past them)...I could see it being any number of things...again, I think its frustrating that they keep teasing us like this, put a high-res version of the pic on the web site already!

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BatmanTurian wrote...

I argue that you're seeing things that aren't there. look at the closeup pic i posted. Her hood connects with her suit. The garrus thing you're seeing is part of the hologram or an artifact of the pixelization

I could counter-argue the exact same thing to you. It doesn't make either of us right. I'm utilizing my knowledge of human anatomy and experience as an artist and person who deals with heavily pixelated images daily to draw my conclusions, and you're utilizing whatever experience you have in the matter, whatever it may be. Until the full details are announced, we have a double instance of Schrödinger's cat.

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Can't it be Aria?

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D.Sharrah wrote...

Looking at that Retaliation trailer again...anyone else think that one of the "jet pack" powers is just creating a tech attack like nova?


Same here. Doesn't really make sense to leave the game without a jump mechanic but add jetpack to one class. It's probably be like the whips or swords: different weapons and attack movement but same functional principle (melee attack).

But that doesn't mean that it won't be awesome.B)

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Can't it be Aria?

I have never seen Aria wearing a hood in the game before. Plus IMHO, it does not look lIke an Asari, and the skin color does not match with the purple of Aria.

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Either.Ardrey wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I argue that you're seeing things that aren't there. look at the closeup pic i posted. Her hood connects with her suit. The garrus thing you're seeing is part of the hologram or an artifact of the pixelization

I could counter-argue the exact same thing to you. It doesn't make either of us right. I'm utilizing my knowledge of human anatomy and experience as an artist and person who deals with heavily pixelated images daily to draw my conclusions, and you're utilizing whatever experience you have in the matter, whatever it may be. Until the full details are announced, we have a double instance of Schrödinger's cat.


I'm utilizing experience in visual analysis. The details add up to me. Perhaps since it's not clear, we are percieving the shapes and tones in the picture differently.

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niravital wrote...

Can't it be Aria?

No blue tinges, so not likely. I'd say Kasumi before Aria, and I really don't think it's Kasumi.

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401 Kill wrote...

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Can't it be Aria?

I have never seen Aria wearing a hood in the game before. Plus IMHO, it does not look lIke an Asari, and the skin color does not match with the purple of Aria.


Wearing a hood also doesn't fit Aria's MO or personality. Aria is more bombastic and extroverted, a true narcissistic sociopath. She'd want everyone to know it was her.

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Can't it be Aria?


Doesn't look like it to me...besdies I don't see Aria as an individual that would ever hide under a hood...Posted Image'd X 2

But I think some other possible candidates that would be interesting to see (or see again)...

Maelon - supposed to be on Omega if you let him live
Feron - supposed to be running SB Ops in Terminus Systems
Tazzik - Feron's bodyguard
Sidonis - A chance for him to help Garrus and earn his redemption if given that opportunity

Anyone else that you guys can think of?

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MaximizedAction wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Looking at that Retaliation trailer again...anyone else think that one of the "jet pack" powers is just creating a tech attack like nova?


Same here. Doesn't really make sense to leave the game without a jump mechanic but add jetpack to one class. It's probably be like the whips or swords: different weapons and attack movement but same functional principle (melee attack).

But that doesn't mean that it won't be awesome.B)


Didn't say that it wouldn't be cool...just trying to break up the "who is the mysterious figure" debate a little bit...

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D.Sharrah wrote...

niravital wrote...

Can't it be Aria?


Doesn't look like it to me...besdies I don't see Aria as an individual that would ever hide under a hood...

But I think some other possible candidates that would be interesting to see (or see again)...

Maelon - supposed to be on Omega if you let him live
Feron - supposed to be running SB Ops in Terminus Systems
Tazzik - Feron's bodyguard
Sidonis - A chance for him to help Garrus and earn his redemption if given that opportunity

Anyone else that you guys can think of?


These are fair assumptions. I still stick by Kasumi, but these could fit as well.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

niravital wrote...

Can't it be Aria?


Doesn't look like it to me...besdies I don't see Aria as an individual that would ever hide under a hood...

But I think some other possible candidates that would be interesting to see (or see again)...

Maelon - supposed to be on Omega if you let him live
Feron - supposed to be running SB Ops in Terminus Systems
Tazzik - Feron's bodyguard
Sidonis - A chance for him to help Garrus and earn his redemption if given that opportunity

Anyone else that you guys can think of?


These are fair assumptions. I still stick by Kasumi, but these could fit as well.


I'll admit a major flaw with my list is that half of them could be dead...I'm just not sure that I won't it to be a completely new character...and while I can see the similarities with Kasumi, I don't think that it is her...

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I argue that you're seeing things that aren't there. look at the closeup pic i posted. Her hood connects with her suit. The garrus thing you're seeing is part of the hologram or an artifact of the pixelization

I could counter-argue the exact same thing to you. It doesn't make either of us right. I'm utilizing my knowledge of human anatomy and experience as an artist and person who deals with heavily pixelated images daily to draw my conclusions, and you're utilizing whatever experience you have in the matter, whatever it may be. Until the full details are announced, we have a double instance of Schrödinger's cat.


I'm utilizing experience in visual analysis. The details add up to me. Perhaps since it's not clear, we are percieving the shapes and tones in the picture differently.

Just as the details add up to me. Why would they even bother to change both model and texture of Kasumi when she's already in ME3 with a model and texture. Doesn't add up, just like its inhuman proportions. If it is a human, then it's a terribly modeled one. And considering the general high quality of their modeling, it doesn't seem likely to me.

Edit: I just saw that you brought MO into the discussion, so I wanted to mention that Kasumi is stoic, militaristic, and dominating like the stance implies.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

niravital wrote...

Can't it be Aria?

I have never seen Aria wearing a hood in the game before. Plus IMHO, it does not look lIke an Asari, and the skin color does not match with the purple of Aria.


Wearing a hood also doesn't fit Aria's MO or personality. Aria is more bombastic and extroverted, a true narcissistic sociopath. She'd want everyone to know it was her.


Yeah, You're probably right. I thought maybe she had to sneak in and meet someone but then again there's no point to keep the hood when you're with Shep on the Normandy or wherever this is. Skin color is not something to count on because lighting can be very manipulative, and Asari have human physiology.

Anyway, I agree that the hood is a typical Kasumi outfit, but we really can't determine anything from this pic.
We should have more info, maybe in NYCC, Gamble said they were gonna talk new dlc stuff soon (after retaliation announcement)

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Either.Ardrey wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

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I argue that you're seeing things that aren't there. look at the closeup pic i posted. Her hood connects with her suit. The garrus thing you're seeing is part of the hologram or an artifact of the pixelization

I could counter-argue the exact same thing to you. It doesn't make either of us right. I'm utilizing my knowledge of human anatomy and experience as an artist and person who deals with heavily pixelated images daily to draw my conclusions, and you're utilizing whatever experience you have in the matter, whatever it may be. Until the full details are announced, we have a double instance of Schrödinger's cat.


I'm utilizing experience in visual analysis. The details add up to me. Perhaps since it's not clear, we are percieving the shapes and tones in the picture differently.

Just as the details add up to me. Why would they even bother to change both model and texture of Kasumi when she's already in ME3 with a model and texture. Doesn't add up, just like its inhuman proportions. If it is a human, then it's a terribly modeled one. And considering the general high quality of their modeling, it doesn't seem likely to me.


It has her breasts and her thin waist. The proportions are perfectly human and fit her or even some other female human. The model is fine. The bad quality of the image, the distortion of that and the hologram, and the wierd angle are what make the proportions seem off.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I argue that you're seeing things that aren't there. look at the closeup pic i posted. Her hood connects with her suit. The garrus thing you're seeing is part of the hologram or an artifact of the pixelization

I could counter-argue the exact same thing to you. It doesn't make either of us right. I'm utilizing my knowledge of human anatomy and experience as an artist and person who deals with heavily pixelated images daily to draw my conclusions, and you're utilizing whatever experience you have in the matter, whatever it may be. Until the full details are announced, we have a double instance of Schrödinger's cat.


I'm utilizing experience in visual analysis. The details add up to me. Perhaps since it's not clear, we are percieving the shapes and tones in the picture differently.

Just as the details add up to me. Why would they even bother to change both model and texture of Kasumi when she's already in ME3 with a model and texture. Doesn't add up, just like its inhuman proportions. If it is a human, then it's a terribly modeled one. And considering the general high quality of their modeling, it doesn't seem likely to me.


It has her breasts and her thin waist. The proportions are perfectly human and fit her or even some other female human. The model is fine. The bad quality of the image, the distortion of that and the hologram, and the wierd angle are what make the proportions seem off.


Then how do you account for the inhumanly low shoulders? The image quality doesn't affect that part at all, like it does most of the other things.

Modifié par Either.Ardrey, 07 octobre 2012 - 02:30 .


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http://social.biowar...6208/1#14336301

It's posts like the one linked above that makes me love Bill Casey...

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Either.Ardrey wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I argue that you're seeing things that aren't there. look at the closeup pic i posted. Her hood connects with her suit. The garrus thing you're seeing is part of the hologram or an artifact of the pixelization

I could counter-argue the exact same thing to you. It doesn't make either of us right. I'm utilizing my knowledge of human anatomy and experience as an artist and person who deals with heavily pixelated images daily to draw my conclusions, and you're utilizing whatever experience you have in the matter, whatever it may be. Until the full details are announced, we have a double instance of Schrödinger's cat.


I'm utilizing experience in visual analysis. The details add up to me. Perhaps since it's not clear, we are percieving the shapes and tones in the picture differently.

Just as the details add up to me. Why would they even bother to change both model and texture of Kasumi when she's already in ME3 with a model and texture. Doesn't add up, just like its inhuman proportions. If it is a human, then it's a terribly modeled one. And considering the general high quality of their modeling, it doesn't seem likely to me.


It has her breasts and her thin waist. The proportions are perfectly human and fit her or even some other female human. The model is fine. The bad quality of the image, the distortion of that and the hologram, and the wierd angle are what make the proportions seem off.


Then how do you account for the inhumanly low shoulders? The image quality doesn't affect that part at all, like it does most of the other things.


She is leaning and relaxed. Part of her shoulers are in the hood and the hood ends and connects to the suit at the shoulder plates, giving the appeareance and illusion of lower shoulders. Compare and pay attention to the cloth at the shoulders. It's not as visable in the low quality picture:

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BatmanTurian wrote...

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I don't know...I think that hood looks more like the Salarian hoods we see in game than Kasumi.