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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Right, I'm off to farm some Geth. Feel free to hit me up, peepz.

We could do platinum instead! More credits/time there. Either way, I'll be on soon.

Edit: TOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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If it's true about the Volus, why don't we just see how they play first before passing official judgement? They might actually end up being funny and awesome.

Yeah, let's see what happens.


Volus: Teh... eh... eh.. oh my suit *shoots, shoots shoots,*
Announcer: great job team, the enemy's forces are down to 50%
Volus: We have to fight more of them?

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Yeah, you know what I've always wondered? If these ideas were presented by a hologram of Harbinger in the same way that they have always been presented to us throughout the game, would people still choose it?

People would not believe Harbinger, yet they would believe the one who created Harbinger. It's mind-boggling isn't it?


It's just so bleeding obvious that Harbinger IS the AI who created the Reapers.

And literalists keep making threads about how they don't understand how Reapers like Harbinger can have a personality, when the catalyst says the Reapers are just following their programming.

Not enough facepalm in the world.

The Catalyst can't be lying. We knew him for a whole 10 minutes.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Umm. Repost? I didn't get a reply! Posted Image

BansheeOwnage wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

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Part of me thinks Volus in MP is just a hoax. Anyone agree?

I agree. In fact, I think it's a cover for playable Protheans. We'll know for sure tuesday, but protheans make way more sense. Also, WTF your signature?


I would rather playable volus or elcor over something that invalidates Javik as a character.

EDIT: I'd rather see synthesis proven to be a legitimate possibility that see playable protheans.

I've heard that argument before, but I believe they could actually use that to improve Javik's character. Who is Javik? He's the Shepard of the prothean cycle. It would be only fitting to have him in charge of whatever protheans they find no? I think that would add to him. Plus, I think it's actually less cheesy to find more cryo-stasis pods intact that just 1.

From a pure gameplay perspective however, protheans make more sense than volus for MP. Volus would not really work in cover, and they would most likely have to create an entirely new skeleton mesh thing. I think it would be a bit of a joke too. We also have every other squadmate race as a playable character in MP, except protheans.

More speculation: BW seems to be adding/spreading around some of the previously unique or rare powers from DLCs. The new batarian brawler vanguard has Lash, the new drell has Homing Grenades, etc. Protheans would be a great and obvious way to spread around Dark Channel. Oh, and they need to add Slam to MP. Who has slam? Javik has Slam.



After some reconsideration, I now think that if Bioware were to include protheans in MP I'm sure they'd be able to make it work with the lore. I trust them enough not to botch their own lore. They have to at the very least be smart enough to know that nobody really wants MP to be a generic horde mode game with Mass Effect skins. I believe the idiots who do are in the minority. 

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Either.Ardrey wrote...

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The Vanguards in the pic are Volus and Batarian. Speaking of which, the trailer deduction matches this list on 3 out of 4 accounts: the trailer shows what some have deduced from power use that the Krogan is an Adept, the Batarian a Vanguard, and the Asari a Sentinel. Based off of that we're left with the one that doesn't match: the Drell. Based of the trailer, it should be an Engineer, not an Infiltrator. The Geth seemed normal, but it could've been the Soldier.

Why would the asari be a sentinel? She didn't have Tech Armour on. I think Infiltrator. Why can't the drell be an infiltrator? Homing Grenades are tech, and Infiltrators are tech and combat.

The Asari used a biotic power usually associated with Sentinels, and the biotic power alone removes the ability for that specific one to be an Infiltrator, and Homing Grenades are the trademark of the Demolisher currently. Why would an Infiltrator have them? Also when you take into account the two new Turians, all that leaves is Engineer.


I'd actually like to see an Asari Infiltrator. I see no reason why certain technologies might not be spread around the allied races and utilized.

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Either.Ardrey wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

The Vanguards in the pic are Volus and Batarian. Speaking of which, the trailer deduction matches this list on 3 out of 4 accounts: the trailer shows what some have deduced from power use that the Krogan is an Adept, the Batarian a Vanguard, and the Asari a Sentinel. Based off of that we're left with the one that doesn't match: the Drell. Based of the trailer, it should be an Engineer, not an Infiltrator. The Geth seemed normal, but it could've been the Soldier.

Why would the asari be a sentinel? She didn't have Tech Armour on. I think Infiltrator. Why can't the drell be an infiltrator? Homing Grenades are tech, and Infiltrators are tech and combat.

The Asari used a biotic power usually associated with Sentinels, and the biotic power alone removes the ability for that specific one to be an Infiltrator, and Homing Grenades are the trademark of the Demolisher currently. Why would an Infiltrator have them? Also when you take into account the two new Turians, all that leaves is Engineer.

Works either way. Homing Grenades are tech, and suit the precision of an Infiltrator. Drell makes way more sense as an Infiltrator than an Engineer too. Also, Turian Saboteur Engineer. Which biotic power did the asari use?

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AresKeith wrote...

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That would mean they wasted resources on the Volus and reused the same outfits for the other new characters, thats depressing


If it's true about the Volus, why don't we just see how they play first before passing official judgement? They might actually end up being funny and awesome.


I'm not against adding Volus to the MP, but 4 is a little too much. And they would be the offical reason for why BW used the same outfits for the other new characters.

@Either the Drell could also be another Sentinel

6 new characters could be seen in the trailer, three used biotic powers, and the Drell wasn't one of them. If the the list isn't entirely true and it follows the classic format, at least somewhat, then they'd release them up to 6 at a time, completing all 6 classes before repeating classes. At least that's my reasoning, that even if they do this as a staggered release, they'd still do it in order as best possible.

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plfranke wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Yeah, you know what I've always wondered? If these ideas were presented by a hologram of Harbinger in the same way that they have always been presented to us throughout the game, would people still choose it?

People would not believe Harbinger, yet they would believe the one who created Harbinger. It's mind-boggling isn't it?


It's just so bleeding obvious that Harbinger IS the AI who created the Reapers.

And literalists keep making threads about how they don't understand how Reapers like Harbinger can have a personality, when the catalyst says the Reapers are just following their programming.

Not enough facepalm in the world.

The Catalyst can't be lying. We knew him for a whole 10 minutes.


from another thread:

BatmanTurian wrote...

The leader of the enemy lying? Surely this has never happened before. I mean why would your enemy lie? Further why would a constuct responsible for the death of trillions think your death is nothing. Yes, it's absurd to think your enemy would ever lie. It's just bonkers. I mean we can trust these guys right? The Reapers are totally legit bros. They've never lied or decieved anyone. It's just not in their nature.

No sorry, theCatalyst is suspect because he speaks as the consciousness of the Reapers and the Reapers are monsters. No matter how you look at it, they've needlessly and cruely murdered trillions of sapient beings, destroyed their civilizations, and  preserved them as flesh-jam in a robotic starship body. But they would never lie, no not these guys. They're too moral to do that. :whistle:


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

The Vanguards in the pic are Volus and Batarian. Speaking of which, the trailer deduction matches this list on 3 out of 4 accounts: the trailer shows what some have deduced from power use that the Krogan is an Adept, the Batarian a Vanguard, and the Asari a Sentinel. Based off of that we're left with the one that doesn't match: the Drell. Based of the trailer, it should be an Engineer, not an Infiltrator. The Geth seemed normal, but it could've been the Soldier.

Why would the asari be a sentinel? She didn't have Tech Armour on. I think Infiltrator. Why can't the drell be an infiltrator? Homing Grenades are tech, and Infiltrators are tech and combat.

The Asari used a biotic power usually associated with Sentinels, and the biotic power alone removes the ability for that specific one to be an Infiltrator, and Homing Grenades are the trademark of the Demolisher currently. Why would an Infiltrator have them? Also when you take into account the two new Turians, all that leaves is Engineer.

Works either way. Homing Grenades are tech, and suit the precision of an Infiltrator. Drell makes way more sense as an Infiltrator than an Engineer too. Also, Turian Saboteur Engineer. Which biotic power did the asari use?

I wasn't the one to do the actual analysis, I read it elsewhere. I'm not entirely sure which power it is, but here's the spot in the trailer where it is.

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But they could be placeholders so BW could block leaks and dataminers, to have us wait till Tuesday

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Either.Ardrey wrote...

I wasn't the one to do the actual analysis, I read it elsewhere. I'm not entirely sure which power it is, but here's the spot in the trailer where it is.

Anyone can do an analysis. Looks like Dark Channel to me. Who agrees? Could be Reave.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

I wasn't the one to do the actual analysis, I read it elsewhere. I'm not entirely sure which power it is, but here's the spot in the trailer where it is.

Anyone can do an analysis. Looks like Dark Channel to me. Who agrees? Could be Reave.


Some say its Dominate

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BatmanTurian wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I'm guessing Volus will have really low health.

For any of you who have me on 360, I'll be farming FWGG today.

Or you can try and get me to tag along in a platinum match, but we'll need a few really elite players for that. I'm still rusty because I just renewed my gold subscription after a few months without.


I'd run with you but i don't have many high level classes yet. The highest level class I have is an N7 demolisher. I'm way behind. I don't even have a Batarian or a Vorcha yet.


im like you on that. I played mp when I finished the game then stopped to play a few other games. Since Leviathan came out I've been playing the mp again but like 3-5 matches at a time

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BatmanTurian wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

If it's true about the Volus, why don't we just see how they play first before passing official judgement? They might actually end up being funny and awesome.

Yeah, let's see what happens.


Volus: Teh... eh... eh.. oh my suit *shoots, shoots shoots,*
Announcer: great job team, the enemy's forces are down to 50%
Volus: We have-breathes- to fight more-breathes- of them?

:happy:

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Hackett, and his speeches are just amazing. Let me explain.
www.youtube.com/watch

" The Reapers will show us no mercy. We must give them no quarter. They will terrorize our populations. we must stand fast in the face of that terror. They will advance until our last city falls, but we will fail. We will prevail. Each of us will be defined by our actions in the coming battle. Stand fast. Stand strong. Stand together. Hackett out."

One Hackett tells everyone, including Shepard/us that we can show them no mercy, and kill them all.

Two Hackett is remind Shepard, and the player, that the Reapers will harvest/kill every advanced race, and will not stop until the last city fails.

Three foreshadowing at the end, when Hackett says " Each of us will be defined by our actions in the coming battle.' The end is our actions/ Shepard's, and the endings we pick is defining us, and the Reapers.

Here is the video.




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ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

If it's true about the Volus, why don't we just see how they play first before passing official judgement? They might actually end up being funny and awesome.

Yeah, let's see what happens.


Volus: Teh... eh... eh.. oh my suit *shoots, shoots shoots,*
Announcer: great job team, the enemy's forces are down to 50%
Volus: We have-breathes- to fight more-breathes- of them?

:happy:


lol, yes, thanks. I forgot the Darth Vader breaths.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

If it's true about the Volus, why don't we just see how they play first before passing official judgement? They might actually end up being funny and awesome.

Yeah, let's see what happens.


Volus: Teh... eh... eh.. oh my suit *shoots, shoots shoots,*
Announcer: great job team, the enemy's forces are down to 50%
Volus: We have to fight more of them?

;) You forgot the part where the Volus goes boom:D

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Either.Ardrey wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

The Vanguards in the pic are Volus and Batarian. Speaking of which, the trailer deduction matches this list on 3 out of 4 accounts: the trailer shows what some have deduced from power use that the Krogan is an Adept, the Batarian a Vanguard, and the Asari a Sentinel. Based off of that we're left with the one that doesn't match: the Drell. Based of the trailer, it should be an Engineer, not an Infiltrator. The Geth seemed normal, but it could've been the Soldier.

Why would the asari be a sentinel? She didn't have Tech Armour on. I think Infiltrator. Why can't the drell be an infiltrator? Homing Grenades are tech, and Infiltrators are tech and combat.

The Asari used a biotic power usually associated with Sentinels, and the biotic power alone removes the ability for that specific one to be an Infiltrator, and Homing Grenades are the trademark of the Demolisher currently. Why would an Infiltrator have them? Also when you take into account the two new Turians, all that leaves is Engineer.


The wiki says there will be an 'asari huntress infiltrator,' but I dont know how accurate that is.

Anyhow, claiming that using biotics automatically makes her not an infiltrator is silly. All asari have biotics. Making an asari infiltrator without biotics would be weird.

Unless you're saying there simply cant be asari infiltrators?

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masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Hackett, and his speeches are just amazing. Let me explain.
www.youtube.com/watch

" The Reapers will show us no mercy. We must give them no quarter. They will terrorize our populations. we must stand fast in the face of that terror. They will advance until our last city falls, but we will fail. We will prevail. Each of us will be defined by our actions in the coming battle. Stand fast. Stand strong. Stand together. Hackett out."

One Hackett tells everyone, including Shepard/us that we can show them no mercy, and kill them all.

Two Hackett is remind Shepard, and the player, that the Reapers will harvest/kill every advanced race, and will not stop until the last city fails.

Three foreshadowing at the end, when Hackett says " Each of us will be defined by our actions in the coming battle.' The end is our actions/ Shepard's, and the endings we pick is defining us, and the Reapers.

Here is the video.


Exactly, MB. Exactly.

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byne wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

The Vanguards in the pic are Volus and Batarian. Speaking of which, the trailer deduction matches this list on 3 out of 4 accounts: the trailer shows what some have deduced from power use that the Krogan is an Adept, the Batarian a Vanguard, and the Asari a Sentinel. Based off of that we're left with the one that doesn't match: the Drell. Based of the trailer, it should be an Engineer, not an Infiltrator. The Geth seemed normal, but it could've been the Soldier.

Why would the asari be a sentinel? She didn't have Tech Armour on. I think Infiltrator. Why can't the drell be an infiltrator? Homing Grenades are tech, and Infiltrators are tech and combat.

The Asari used a biotic power usually associated with Sentinels, and the biotic power alone removes the ability for that specific one to be an Infiltrator, and Homing Grenades are the trademark of the Demolisher currently. Why would an Infiltrator have them? Also when you take into account the two new Turians, all that leaves is Engineer.


The wiki says there will be an 'asari huntress infiltrator,' but I dont know how accurate that is.

Anyhow, claiming that using biotics automatically makes her not an infiltrator is silly. All asari have biotics. Making an asari infiltrator without biotics would be weird.

Unless you're saying there simply cant be asari infiltrators?

Yeah, it would be weird. Infiltrators don't have biotics, but they added the Paladin that only has tech, and is supposed to have tech and biotics. So, they could do anything. Oh, and the ME wiki is seriously the worst wiki ever. Of all time.

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Either.Ardrey wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

If it's true about the Volus, why don't we just see how they play first before passing official judgement? They might actually end up being funny and awesome.

Yeah, let's see what happens.


Volus: Teh... eh... eh.. oh my suit *shoots, shoots shoots,*
Announcer: great job team, the enemy's forces are down to 50%
Volus: We have to fight more of them?

;) You forgot the part where the Volus goes boom:D


I'm assuming, as before, that they're more armored than Quarian suits if they're going into battle and can blow up if punctured.

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AresKeith wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Anyone can do an analysis. Looks like Dark Channel to me. Who agrees? Could be Reave.


Some say its Dominate

It's not Dominate; it makes a Stasis noise and projects a hexagonal mesh onto the target. But you reminded me of another reason to add protheans to MP. What do protheans do? They dominate.    ಠಠ_ಠಠ

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

If it's true about the Volus, why don't we just see how they play first before passing official judgement? They might actually end up being funny and awesome.

Yeah, let's see what happens.


Volus: Teh... eh... eh.. oh my suit *shoots, shoots shoots,*
Announcer: great job team, the enemy's forces are down to 50%
Volus: We have to fight more of them?

;) You forgot the part where the Volus goes boom:D


I'm assuming, as before, that they're more armored than Quarian suits if they're going into battle and can blow up if punctured.

How would they die then? They need to take actual damage to go down.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

If it's true about the Volus, why don't we just see how they play first before passing official judgement? They might actually end up being funny and awesome.

Yeah, let's see what happens.


Volus: Teh... eh... eh.. oh my suit *shoots, shoots shoots,*
Announcer: great job team, the enemy's forces are down to 50%
Volus: We have to fight more of them?

;) You forgot the part where the Volus goes boom:D


I'm assuming, as before, that they're more armored than Quarian suits if they're going into battle and can blow up if punctured.

How would they die then? They need to take actual damage to go down.


just like all the other characters. Shields go down, health goes down, boom. Ressurecting them proves difficult in that situation though, now that I think about it.

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byne wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

The Vanguards in the pic are Volus and Batarian. Speaking of which, the trailer deduction matches this list on 3 out of 4 accounts: the trailer shows what some have deduced from power use that the Krogan is an Adept, the Batarian a Vanguard, and the Asari a Sentinel. Based off of that we're left with the one that doesn't match: the Drell. Based of the trailer, it should be an Engineer, not an Infiltrator. The Geth seemed normal, but it could've been the Soldier.

Why would the asari be a sentinel? She didn't have Tech Armour on. I think Infiltrator. Why can't the drell be an infiltrator? Homing Grenades are tech, and Infiltrators are tech and combat.

The Asari used a biotic power usually associated with Sentinels, and the biotic power alone removes the ability for that specific one to be an Infiltrator, and Homing Grenades are the trademark of the Demolisher currently. Why would an Infiltrator have them? Also when you take into account the two new Turians, all that leaves is Engineer.


The wiki says there will be an 'asari huntress infiltrator,' but I dont know how accurate that is.

Anyhow, claiming that using biotics automatically makes her not an infiltrator is silly. All asari have biotics. Making an asari infiltrator without biotics would be weird.

Unless you're saying there simply cant be asari infiltrators?

There can be Asari Infiltrators, as long as they don't train or use their Biotic abilities. Otherwise it would break the definition of Infiltrator as a Combat/Tech hybrid. All class structure would break down and the universe would combust in a conflagration of Care Bear chaos!!!......Oh dear.