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[Rankincountry]

Restrider wrote...

I voted Breath Scene.
At the first poll, I voted Anderson&TIM and was quite surprised that this point had so poor support
But Breath Scene is my close second.
I am furthermore surprised to see Leviathan to have such skyrocketing results, compared to the mediocre performance in poll 1.

Same here. IT would exist without the breath scene, which is why I voted for indoctrination in general as number 1 - it resonates through all three games. The breath scene is a kind of clincher in that it makes no sense in a literal interpretation. None. At all.

[byne]

Rankincountry wrote...

Restrider wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I'd like to create a drinking game out of how much outdated information, misinterpreted quotes, and outright lies we can find in a synthesis thread. 

You'd be dead before reaching page 2.

I was playing through Overlord a short time ago. David Archer is my face of synthesis:

*snip*

Overlord is basically an entire DLC warning about the dangers of synthesis, and yet people still pick synthesis.

[Rankincountry]

byne wrote...

Overlord is basically an entire DLC warning about the dangers of synthesis, and yet people still pick synthesis.

Right down to the green bits. The scenes where there is a virtual overlay on Shepard's reality make me think that the reality of synthesis is something like the human farms in The Matrix.

[byne]

Rankincountry wrote...

Restrider wrote...

I voted Breath Scene.
At the first poll, I voted Anderson&TIM and was quite surprised that this point had so poor support
But Breath Scene is my close second.
I am furthermore surprised to see Leviathan to have such skyrocketing results, compared to the mediocre performance in poll 1.

Same here. IT would exist without the breath scene, which is why I voted for indoctrination in general as number 1 - it resonates through all three games. The breath scene is a kind of clincher in that it makes no sense in a literal interpretation. None. At all.

I didnt even mention the breath scene in my original post on Mark I. It never even occurred to me until someone else pointed it out. So yeah, IT would definitely exist without it.

[Sauron001]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Well, back from the heart of darkness. All they could end up doing is shouting nuh-uh and insults. Next time, somebody please stage an intervention and stop me

I tried to support you, but eventually we get dog-piled.

Where did you go?  Did you try to reason with Literalists?  Worse yet, did you try to reason with SYNTHESIZERS?   Because to approve of Synthesis requires a mind boggling amount of, there's no other word for it, stupidity.

At least Control supporters can argue that the Reapers will stay in line because Shepard controls them or changed their personality or something.

Synthesis supporters just assume that because everyone is now the same, we will get along forever.

Civil wars have never once happened in history due to this very fact.

Yeah and considering the hate people would most likely still hold towards the Reapers (doubly so if a huskified person suddenly gained awareness back like the husk hints) I dont think a civil war is far of.

So everyones mind almost has to have been altered to create this perfect utopia in which case the kill count of Synthesis is the entire galaxy according to Jack and Samara (refering to their quotes in ME2 about if you change someones mind, they are essentially dead)

Not so perfect now, eh? <_<

Nooo!!! A valid point!?! RAbble Rabble Rabble

Just joking but I agree Synthesis just seems like a mostronsity to the storyline imo.

[plfranke]

But guys that's not synthesis. Synthesis is beautiful and perfect and there's nothing wrong with it at all. The End.

[byne]

plfranke wrote...

But guys that's not synthesis. Synthesis is beautiful and perfect and there's nothing wrong with it at all. The End.

Remember when the game first came out, and Penny Arcade mocked the people who wanted the endings changed by suggesting they just wanted a  happy ending?



Tis basically synthesis. Everyone likes the Reapers, just like everyone likes icecream.

[Rankincountry]

byne wrote...

plfranke wrote...

But guys that's not synthesis. Synthesis is beautiful and perfect and there's nothing wrong with it at all. The End.

Remember when the game first came out, and Penny Arcade mocked the people who wanted the endings changed by suggesting they just wanted a  happy ending?

snip...

Tis basically synthesis. Everyone likes the Reapers, just like everyone likes icecream.

So on my renegade playthrough when I didn't cure the genophage I wouldn't get a cake? 

[byne]

Rankincountry wrote...

byne wrote...

plfranke wrote...

But guys that's not synthesis. Synthesis is beautiful and perfect and there's nothing wrong with it at all. The End.

Remember when the game first came out, and Penny Arcade mocked the people who wanted the endings changed by suggesting they just wanted a  happy ending?

snip...

Tis basically synthesis. Everyone likes the Reapers, just like everyone likes icecream.

So on my renegade playthrough when I didn't cure the genophage I wouldn't get a cake? 

You'd still get cake. Synthesis disregards your choices and cures the genophage anways.

[Heimdall]

plfranke wrote...

But guys that's not synthesis. Synthesis is beautiful and perfect and there's nothing wrong with it at all. The End.

Aside from Shepard being dead?  It's the only ending aside from refuse that Shepard has no chance of surviving in some form.

[Heimdall]

byne wrote...

Rankincountry wrote...

Restrider wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I'd like to create a drinking game out of how much outdated information, misinterpreted quotes, and outright lies we can find in a synthesis thread. 

You'd be dead before reaching page 2.

I was playing through Overlord a short time ago. David Archer is my face of synthesis:

*snip*

Overlord is basically an entire DLC warning about the dangers of synthesis, and yet people still pick synthesis.

...I don't see how jamming cables into someone's head is anything like synthesis.  People make up funny interpretations when they don't like something.

[byne]

Lord Aesir wrote...

byne wrote...

Rankincountry wrote...

Restrider wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I'd like to create a drinking game out of how much outdated information, misinterpreted quotes, and outright lies we can find in a synthesis thread. 

You'd be dead before reaching page 2.

I was playing through Overlord a short time ago. David Archer is my face of synthesis:

*snip*

Overlord is basically an entire DLC warning about the dangers of synthesis, and yet people still pick synthesis.

...I don't see how jamming cables into someone's head is anything like synthesis.  People make up funny interpretations when they don't like something.

The entire point of Project Overlord was to create an AI/Human hybrid (so it can control the geth). How they got there is irrelevant, as synthesis was the end goal. Its a perfect example of why synthesis cannot be forced, as godchild said.

Its also a good example of control backfiring. Overlord is really a warning against control AND synthesis.

Godchild claims synthesis is inevitable, and then tells you to force it, but somehow it works out, even though he himself said forcing it wouldnt work.

Modifié par byne, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:37 .

[Sauron001]

byne wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

byne wrote...

Rankincountry wrote...

Restrider wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I'd like to create a drinking game out of how much outdated information, misinterpreted quotes, and outright lies we can find in a synthesis thread. 

You'd be dead before reaching page 2.

I was playing through Overlord a short time ago. David Archer is my face of synthesis:

*snip*

Overlord is basically an entire DLC warning about the dangers of synthesis, and yet people still pick synthesis.

...I don't see how jamming cables into someone's head is anything like synthesis.  People make up funny interpretations when they don't like something.

The entire point of Project Overlord was to create an AI/Human hybrid (so it can control the geth). How they got there is irrelevant, as synthesis was the end goal. Its a perfect example of why synthesis cannot be forced, as godchild said.

Its also a good example of control backfiring. Overlord is really a warning against control AND synthesis.

Godchild claims synthesis is inevitable, and then tells you to force it, but somehow it works out, even though he himself said forcing it wouldnt work.

Lets not forget to mention that the kid couldn't handle the overload of information being sent to his brain. Synthesis is basically the same thing you would be connected to synthetics in some magic aura whataever.... Cosmos Energy..

Either way wouldn't everyone face the same problem in terms of trying to process all that info?

[GethPrimeMKII]

When you think about it, the crucible really makes no sense in the literal ending. Its powerful and sophisticated enough to mutate all synthetic and organic life seemingly without error, yet in the destroy ending it can't target reapers accurately enough to avoid destroying everything that happens to be synthetic.

[Rankincountry]

There's also the fact that the explanation given for synthesis makes no sense, either in terms of real-world genetics or within the lore of the game. Starbinger also makes an interesting choice of words.

He first says that all organic and synthetic life will be combined into a new framework. However when Shepard asks for more explanation, he goes on to say that the energy of the crucible, released in this way will alter the matrix of all organic life in the galaxy... but nothing at all about synthetic life being altered. Now this could be me reading too much into things, but I'd say this is at the very least a suspicious inconsistency.

Oh, yes, and the kid is incredibly smug while he explains all this. Insufferably so.

[byne]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

When you think about it, the crucible really makes no sense in the literal ending. Its powerful and sophisticated enough to mutate all synthetic and organic life seemingly without error, yet in the destroy ending it can't target reapers accurately enough to avoid destroying everything that happens to be synthetic.

Thats because magic is usually pretty precise.

[Rankincountry]

byne wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

When you think about it, the crucible really makes no sense in the literal ending. Its powerful and sophisticated enough to mutate all synthetic and organic life seemingly without error, yet in the destroy ending it can't target reapers accurately enough to avoid destroying everything that happens to be synthetic.

Thats because magic is usually pretty precise.

Unless it's red magic. Red magic couldn't hit the broad side of a barn door.

[masster blaster]

Man do I feel great.

[Sauron001]

Rankincountry wrote...

There's also the fact that the explanation given for synthesis makes no sense, either in terms of real-world genetics or within the lore of the game. Starbinger also makes an interesting choice of words.

He first says that all organic and synthetic life will be combined into a new framework. However when Shepard asks for more explanation, he goes on to say that the energy of the crucible, released in this way will alter the matrix of all organic life in the galaxy... but nothing at all about synthetic life being altered. Now this could be me reading too much into things, but I'd say this is at the very least a suspicious inconsistency.

Oh, yes, and the kid is incredibly smug while he explains all this. Insufferably so.

No your not reading into it, I was baffled by the lack of information on any of the choices. Synthesis is just the worst one in terms of space magic....might as well just jump out and say Shepard "use the Force"

[spotlessvoid]

Nothing about the literal ending makes the slightest sense. It's disheartening and unnerving to see how hard people defend synthesis. They can't even muster up any arguments besides I love it because I saved the universe and nuh-uh IT isnt true.

[byne]

Rankincountry wrote...

byne wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

When you think about it, the crucible really makes no sense in the literal ending. Its powerful and sophisticated enough to mutate all synthetic and organic life seemingly without error, yet in the destroy ending it can't target reapers accurately enough to avoid destroying everything that happens to be synthetic.

Thats because magic is usually pretty precise.

Unless it's red magic. Red magic couldn't hit the broad side of a barn door.

Thats because Red is just an emp, not magic.

[masster blaster]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Nothing about the literal ending makes the slightest sense. It's disheartening and unnerving to see how hard people defend synthesis. They can't even muster up any arguments besides I love it because I saved the universe and nuh-uh IT isnt true.

I am on their thread right now.

[plfranke]

Does anyone think that the final TIM lines in the renegade playthrough are foreshadowing to the indoctrination in synthesis and control? TIM says "No! I Saved humanity!" He says it like he's already done it. Is this foreshadowing of control and synthesis pickers? I mean take just the ones on this forum. They are absolutely convinced they made the right choice and then proceed to line number two "I wish you could see control and synthesis like we do. It's so... perfect."

[Xilizhra]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Nothing about the literal ending makes the slightest sense. It's disheartening and unnerving to see how hard people defend synthesis. They can't even muster up any arguments besides I love it because I saved the universe and nuh-uh IT isnt true.

Are you actually capable of reading anything you're in ideological disagreement with?