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[NebuchadnezzaRT]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The EC ending slides make no reference one way or another to the Geth -
this is odd in itself, since if they were annihilated in the cause of
defeating the reapers, you'd have thought Hackett would mention them in
his closing speech. EDI does appear on the Normandy memorial wall of
course.

This is because the geth may have already been wiped out on Rannoch.

So they had enough time to make slides showing the geth in cities, the quarian in cities, the quarian and geth rebuilding together, but none whatsoever to show the geth destroyed in the destroy ending? Also they didn't do this because of one choice in the game?

Do you need a chair? That straw looks little out of reach.

HAAA! 

[D.Sharrah]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

BS. The destroy beam only erases Reaper code, leaving the rest of the program's code intact.

You seem to have completely made this up. When is Reaper code mentioned?

EDI says Reaper Code was used by TIM to make her more self-aware since she was a program that became somewhat self-aware on the moon-base in ME1

Legion uploads Reaper code to all the Geth in the Rannoch mission.

Without the code, they just become the programs they once were, a shadow of their former selves but rebuildable and their self-aware code can be rebuilt as well with time without the shortcut of Reaper code to replace what should have been earned by effort on the part of the geth, quarians, and humanity.

It is also important to point out that EDI has "died" once...after all that's kinda the whole point of the Luna base mission...yet because here files were not completely destroyed she was able to brought back...and a VI that was starting to self actuallize was given an opportunity to skip a few steps when introduced to Reaper code (kinda similar to Legion's story hmmm...).  That is to say that it is not out of the realm of possibility that had EDI been given the time that she would have been able to self actuallize on her own...and therefore could do it again.  Sure, the "being" formed may not be completely the same - but if we were to compare it to a more human phenomenen (sp?); it would be like reincarnation - there maybe traits that carry over and even imprints of the other life, but the new soul has its own identity.

[BatmanTurian]

Xilizhra wrote...

in some games maybe. The geth still exist as programs in quarian suits if a peace is brokered.

No they don't. You base this on nothing whatsoever. And you don't believe that any of it happened literally anyway, so... why bother?

I base it on the game and the codex. It's in there,  but you weren't paying attention apparently.

[BatmanTurian]

D.Sharrah wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

BS. The destroy beam only erases Reaper code, leaving the rest of the program's code intact.

You seem to have completely made this up. When is Reaper code mentioned?

EDI says Reaper Code was used by TIM to make her more self-aware since she was a program that became somewhat self-aware on the moon-base in ME1

Legion uploads Reaper code to all the Geth in the Rannoch mission.

Without the code, they just become the programs they once were, a shadow of their former selves but rebuildable and their self-aware code can be rebuilt as well with time without the shortcut of Reaper code to replace what should have been earned by effort on the part of the geth, quarians, and humanity.

It is also important to point out that EDI has "died" once...after all that's kinda the whole point of the Luna base mission...yet because here files were not completely destroyed she was able to brought back...and a VI that was starting to self actuallize was given an opportunity to skip a few steps when introduced to Reaper code (kinda similar to Legion's story hmmm...).  That is to say that it is not out of the realm of possibility that had EDI been given the time that she would have been able to self actuallize on her own...and therefore could do it again.  Sure, the "being" formed may not be completely the same - but if we were to compare it to a more human phenomenen (sp?); it would be like reincarnation - there maybe traits that carry over and even imprints of the other life, but the new soul has its own identity.

(Anderson) Exactly.

[Rankincountry]

Arashi08 wrote...

Snip, because I wanted to respond to a specific bit:

Perhaps there is no "pinnacle" of evolution

There isn't. It's a common misconception that evolution somehow leads to an ultimate end, some kind of state of perfection, when what it really is, is life adapting to a changing environment. Evolution also does not mean a steady progression toward greater complexity - in fact microbes are arguably the most adaptable forms of life on Earth yet are among the simplest (www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/E/extremophile.html).

This is important when considering what the catalyst tells us about synthesis - in scientific terms, it's utter nonsense. Given that ME tries to inject an element of realism (enough for suspension of disbelief at least) and internal consistency, it's jarring.

[Xilizhra]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The EC ending slides make no reference one way or another to the Geth -
this is odd in itself, since if they were annihilated in the cause of
defeating the reapers, you'd have thought Hackett would mention them in
his closing speech. EDI does appear on the Normandy memorial wall of
course.

This is because the geth may have already been wiped out on Rannoch.

So they had enough time to make slides showing the geth in cities, the quarian in cities, the quarian and geth rebuilding together, but none whatsoever to show the geth destroyed in the destroy ending? Also they didn't do this because of one choice in the game?

Do you need a chair? That straw looks little out of reach.

They didn't show krogan corpses on the ground either, despite having a shot of the rachni invading Tuchanka. I suspect this was just an oversight.

[Arashi08]

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...


And now for a riddle (sort of) for everyone.

What is the greatest lie ever told?

Sorry I know that other stuff was important but this got my attention..

pie?
You are unique?
Jurassic Park 4?
42!?

 lol I knew I'd get some good answers , but none of the above. 

It is actually a pretty important lie tho.  it could very well be the reason why people get so upset or defensive over these things and many others.  but I'm just trying to see if it is actually true for this situation as well.

[Arashi08]

Rankincountry wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

Snip, because I wanted to respond to a specific bit:

Perhaps there is no "pinnacle" of evolution

There isn't. It's a common misconception that evolution somehow leads to an ultimate end, some kind of state of perfection, when what it really is, is life adapting to a changing environment. Evolution also does not mean a steady progression toward greater complexity - in fact microbes are arguably the most adaptable forms of life on Earth yet are among the simplest (www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/E/extremophile.html).

This is important when considering what the catalyst tells us about synthesis - in scientific terms, it's utter nonsense. Given that ME tries to inject an element of realism (enough for suspension of disbelief at least) and internal consistency, it's jarring.

I agree with you, I just didn't want to ruffle anyone's feathers.  You know how people can get when it comes to what they think they know lol.

Anyone who thinks they are the "pinnacle" of evolution, or of anything for that matter, is only at the pinnacle of arrogance.

Modifié par Arashi08, 07 octobre 2012 - 11:51 .

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The EC ending slides make no reference one way or another to the Geth -
this is odd in itself, since if they were annihilated in the cause of
defeating the reapers, you'd have thought Hackett would mention them in
his closing speech. EDI does appear on the Normandy memorial wall of
course.

This is because the geth may have already been wiped out on Rannoch.

So they had enough time to make slides showing the geth in cities, the quarian in cities, the quarian and geth rebuilding together, but none whatsoever to show the geth destroyed in the destroy ending? Also they didn't do this because of one choice in the game?

Do you need a chair? That straw looks little out of reach.

They didn't show krogan corpses on the ground either, despite having a shot of the rachni invading Tuchanka. I suspect this was just an oversight.

They was trying to make all the slides atleast happy

[D.Sharrah]

Arashi08 wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...


And now for a riddle (sort of) for everyone.

What is the greatest lie ever told?

Sorry I know that other stuff was important but this got my attention..

pie?
You are unique?
Jurassic Park 4?
42!?

 lol I knew I'd get some good answers , but none of the above. 

It is actually a pretty important lie tho.  it could very well be the reason why people get so upset or defensive over these things and many others.  but I'm just trying to see if it is actually true for this situation as well.

That there is a lie...

[masster blaster]

Xilizhra wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The EC ending slides make no reference one way or another to the Geth -
this is odd in itself, since if they were annihilated in the cause of
defeating the reapers, you'd have thought Hackett would mention them in
his closing speech. EDI does appear on the Normandy memorial wall of
course.

This is because the geth may have already been wiped out on Rannoch.

So they had enough time to make slides showing the geth in cities, the quarian in cities, the quarian and geth rebuilding together, but none whatsoever to show the geth destroyed in the destroy ending? Also they didn't do this because of one choice in the game?

Do you need a chair? That straw looks little out of reach.

They didn't show krogan corpses on the ground either, despite having a shot of the rachni invading Tuchanka. I suspect this was just an oversight.

You see there is the problem. Have you ever wonder why Bioware is not going to tell us if IT is correct or not. It's because of this.

Synthesis, and Control are fooling players into believeing they made the right chocie. You can say the same thing about IT, but Synthesis, and Control are not the paths any Shepard would take.

ALL Shepard's always wanted to kill the Reapers, until the end. Also is it me or did Bioware try indoctrinating the player into picking the other choices.

I mean come on the only reason the other chocies are liked, is because of what the Catalyst say about Destroy.

He doesn't like Destroy you can tell from his voice, and also if it weren't for the Geth, and EDi dying in Destroy almost 99.9% of all ME fans would go kill the Reapers for good.

[spotlessvoid]

These last few hours made me feel even better about IT. I've been laughing so hard I'm cramping up. Phew.

[Arashi08]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...


And now for a riddle (sort of) for everyone.

What is the greatest lie ever told?

Sorry I know that other stuff was important but this got my attention..

pie?
You are unique?
Jurassic Park 4?
42!?

 lol I knew I'd get some good answers , but none of the above. 

It is actually a pretty important lie tho.  it could very well be the reason why people get so upset or defensive over these things and many others.  but I'm just trying to see if it is actually true for this situation as well.

That there is a lie...

...is that your answer?  If so then no, that's not it, but I think you are headed in the right direction...

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Xilizhra wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The EC ending slides make no reference one way or another to the Geth -
this is odd in itself, since if they were annihilated in the cause of
defeating the reapers, you'd have thought Hackett would mention them in
his closing speech. EDI does appear on the Normandy memorial wall of
course.

This is because the geth may have already been wiped out on Rannoch.

So they had enough time to make slides showing the geth in cities, the quarian in cities, the quarian and geth rebuilding together, but none whatsoever to show the geth destroyed in the destroy ending? Also they didn't do this because of one choice in the game?

Do you need a chair? That straw looks little out of reach.

They didn't show krogan corpses on the ground either, despite having a shot of the rachni invading Tuchanka. I suspect this was just an oversight.

That's not even related to what you were saying.

[spotlessvoid]

It's the lie you tell yourself

[D.Sharrah]

Xilizhra wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The EC ending slides make no reference one way or another to the Geth -
this is odd in itself, since if they were annihilated in the cause of
defeating the reapers, you'd have thought Hackett would mention them in
his closing speech. EDI does appear on the Normandy memorial wall of
course.

This is because the geth may have already been wiped out on Rannoch.

So they had enough time to make slides showing the geth in cities, the quarian in cities, the quarian and geth rebuilding together, but none whatsoever to show the geth destroyed in the destroy ending? Also they didn't do this because of one choice in the game?

Do you need a chair? That straw looks little out of reach.

They didn't show krogan corpses on the ground either, despite having a shot of the rachni invading Tuchanka. I suspect this was just an oversight.

Again...I think that some of the information that could be important to the state of the galaxy (fate of the Geth, fate of the Krogan, fate of the Rachni - in other EMS endings, etc.) are left out intentionally - to either:

(a) Fuel "speculations for everyone"

or

(  Because it would reveal information/story that intend to cover with DLC or the new ME game

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Arashi08 wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...


And now for a riddle (sort of) for everyone.

What is the greatest lie ever told?

Sorry I know that other stuff was important but this got my attention..

pie?
You are unique?
Jurassic Park 4?
42!?

 lol I knew I'd get some good answers , but none of the above. 

It is actually a pretty important lie tho.  it could very well be the reason why people get so upset or defensive over these things and many others.  but I'm just trying to see if it is actually true for this situation as well.

Truth?  I am kind of beat dead tired right now
But by no means don't tell us the answer until someone gets it haha I don't want to ruin the riddle

Modifié par NebuchadnezzaRT, 07 octobre 2012 - 11:56 .

[D.Sharrah]

spotlessvoid wrote...

These last few hours made me feel even better about IT. I've been laughing so hard I'm cramping up. Phew.

I am glad that we could all entertain you.

[Rankincountry]

Arashi08 wrote...

Rankincountry wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

Snip, because I wanted to respond to a specific bit:

Perhaps there is no "pinnacle" of evolution

There isn't. It's a common misconception that evolution somehow leads to an ultimate end, some kind of state of perfection, when what it really is, is life adapting to a changing environment. Evolution also does not mean a steady progression toward greater complexity - in fact microbes are arguably the most adaptable forms of life on Earth yet are among the simplest (www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/E/extremophile.html).

This is important when considering what the catalyst tells us about synthesis - in scientific terms, it's utter nonsense. Given that ME tries to inject an element of realism (enough for suspension of disbelief at least) and internal consistency, it's jarring.

I agree with you, I just didn't want to ruffle anyone's feathers.  You know how people can get when it comes to what they think they know lol.

Fair enough - for a moment I forgot I was on the internet . I was mostly trying to make the point that when you stop and actually think about what the so-called Catalyst tells you, it breaks down under even fairly superficial scrutiny. This applies to destroy as much as control or synthesis. And if we can't trust the catalyst (people trust him? Seriously? I hope 419 scammers don't have their e-mail addresses) then how does a literal interpretation make sense?

[masster blaster]

spotlessvoid wrote...

These last few hours made me feel even better about IT. I've been laughing so hard I'm cramping up. Phew.

Me too.


I am beginning to see what you have been telling me Spot.

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 octobre 2012 - 12:01 .

[D.Sharrah]

Arashi08 wrote...

snip...

...is that your answer?  If so then no, that's not it, but I think you are headed in the right direction...

It was a joke...but it does remind me of the question that the Sith Master on Korriban asks you about paradoxes...and one of the answers was "I always lie" (which if I remeber correctly is what you are supposed to say).

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 08 octobre 2012 - 12:02 .

[Rankincountry]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Again...I think that some of the information that could be important to the state of the galaxy (fate of the Geth, fate of the Krogan, fate of the Rachni - in other EMS endings, etc.) are left out intentionally - to either:

(a) Fuel "speculations for everyone"

or

(  Because it would reveal information/story that intend to cover with DLC or the new ME game

Makes sense - if there's to be no post-breath scene content, then (a) keeps the game in the minds of gamers for longer than would otherwise have been the case.

If there is post-breath scene content then speculations build up the hype and boost DLC sales, but Bioware will have to show their hand one way or another. I'm hoping very much for ( to resolve those questions.

[AresKeith]

Anybody else creeped out by Seival?

[paxxton]

Off-topic Alert! Don't click the link.

Modifié par paxxton, 08 octobre 2012 - 12:03 .

[D.Sharrah]

Rankincountry wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Again...I think that some of the information that could be important to the state of the galaxy (fate of the Geth, fate of the Krogan, fate of the Rachni - in other EMS endings, etc.) are left out intentionally - to either:

(a) Fuel "speculations for everyone"

or

(  Because it would reveal information/story that intend to cover with DLC or the new ME game

Makes sense - if there's to be no post-breath scene content, then (a) keeps the game in the minds of gamers for longer than would otherwise have been the case.

If there is post-breath scene content then speculations build up the hype and boost DLC sales, but Bioware will have to show their hand one way or another. I'm hoping very much for ( to resolve those questions.

Or its both!  Which is actually closer to what I beleive...but things usually go better when you give people a choice.