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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Jaulen wrote...

Any hearsay on what the rumored ME4 is supposed to be?

I thought I had run across something on the internet about a ME4, and a 2014 release date.



Sounds like I'm going to have to get back into MP. And download those MP DLCs.

The hearsay is that ME4 is going to exist. Other than that, not really anything.

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Jaulen wrote...

Any hearsay on what the rumored ME4 is supposed to be?

I thought I had run across something on the internet about a ME4, and a 2014 release date.


spotlessvoid and I have narrowed it down to a sequel with destroy as canon.

Our logic is this:

a prequel would be boring. Whether its with humans or not, we know what happens and that removes choice from the players. A game playing non-human characters might alienate some players and playing deep into the past would involve creating a whole new galaxy practically.

Control has Shepreaper using the Reapers to police the galaxy so no conflict can happen, whether from internal or external forces.

Synthesis supposedly unites everyone so noone will want to fight.

Only in destroy, with the slate wiped clean, is there any potential for conflict, whether external or between the current races.

This is assuming a literal interpretation Obviously with IT, Destroy is the only perfect ending. The other two (or four now with refuse) can continue into ME4 with an indoctrinated Shep or no Shep at all. We also believe that Shep will probably be in a command role ( replacing Anderson as a mentor and promoted to captain) and the sequel will have new character as the main character.

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Night Jaulen. Time to get back to speculating.

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byne wrote...

The Codex also said the Citadel was built by the Protheans until recently. Its written from an in-universe perspective, and not infallible.


But unlike the Citadel it actually says corporations built it. It's not as if it's some relic that was floating around and found intact. As I see it, it was built from the ground up in this cycle. It would be like saying Grissom Academy was built by the Reapers when we know it was built from scratch in this cycle.

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It's a 50/50 TTG.

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The Twilight God wrote...

byne wrote...

The Codex also said the Citadel was built by the Protheans until recently. Its written from an in-universe perspective, and not infallible.


But unlike the Citadel it actually says corporations built it. It's not as if it's some relic that was floating around and found intact. As I see it, it was built from the ground up in this cycle. It would be like saying Grissom Academy was built by the Reapers when we know it was built from scratch in this cycle.


Hey TTG. I'm a fan of your idea that the Geth survive. I might add that even if the destroy beam hits them, it only removes the reaper code and since the Geth were already somewhat self-aware programs before, they'll just be slightly dumber. I think they reproduce through copying their own programs, and they would be in Quarian suits, perhaps even protected . So I agree that the Geth are not destroyed.

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Batmna well if IT is correct Geht, and EDI don't die, and that means Reapers are in big trouble/ one pissed off Shepard. Oh and the Player too.

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Jaulen wrote...

Holey moley. Take a couple of months off the boards and wowza....

I wish there was cliff notes for the IT thread.

And thanks for the OP with all the links. Time to do some serious reading/watching and catch up.



Cliff notes - Start with the three videos at the bottom of the signature bet that little voice will go "Shepard destroy because it matters, the fate of the galaxy is in your hands Shepard."

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byne wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

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-Omega was designed/built by the Reapers


Wasn't Omega built by the current cycle?


Codex...

Originally an asteroid rich in element zero, Omega[/b] was briefly mined by the Protheans, who eventually abandoned it due to its thick, impenetrable crust. Thousands of years later, nature did what even the Protheans could not: a collision with another asteroid broke Omega[/b] in half, exposing its trove of element zero for easy mining.
A rush ensued as corporations and private individuals tried to strike it rich on Omega[/b], and thieves and outlaws followed in their wake. As space became tight, construction of processing facilities extended vertically from the asteroid, creating Omega's jellyfish-like silhouette. To prevent future collisions, the station is ringed with enormous mass[/b] effect[/b] field generators that redirect incoming debris.


The Codex also said the Citadel was built by the Protheans until recently. Its written from an in-universe perspective, and not infallible.


That's I think where we mess up and believe the codex entries to be valid 100%.  It's like the day we found out dinosaurs had feathers and may have been warm blooded.  All the other "codex entries" would have said they were cold blooded reptiles. 

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masster blaster wrote...

Batmna well if IT is correct Geht, and EDI don't die, and that means Reapers are in big trouble/ one pissed off Shepard. Oh and the Player too.


That's true, but he doesn't believe in a hallucination exactly.

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Well I am going to bed. See you guys in eight hours. Keep the thread alive, and safe.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

byne wrote...

The Codex also said the Citadel was built by the Protheans until recently. Its written from an in-universe perspective, and not infallible.


But unlike the Citadel it actually says corporations built it. It's not as if it's some relic that was floating around and found intact. As I see it, it was built from the ground up in this cycle. It would be like saying Grissom Academy was built by the Reapers when we know it was built from scratch in this cycle.


Hey TTG. I'm a fan of your idea that the Geth survive. I might add that even if the destroy beam hits them, it only removes the reaper code and since the Geth were already somewhat self-aware programs before, they'll just be slightly dumber. I think they reproduce through copying their own programs, and they would be in Quarian suits, perhaps even protected . So I agree that the Geth are not destroyed.


I doubt it does that.

The Twilight God wrote...

Regardless, a string of code is not something that a blast of energy can defect as it will vary based on the affiliated hardware/storage medium. A program is representation of ones and zeros (or twos, threes. fours, etc. in the future) within a medium. No standard configuration, no standard hardware and no standard matter. There is no way to isolate such a general concept as it has no definitive qualities even on an atomic level. It would have to attack either all technology or a specific hardware configuration. Otherwise, the energy blast itself would require the inteligence, the speedy discernment and conscious awareness to be able to point out and disciminate in real-time on a case by case basis. That would be reaching and downright ridiculous.


Targetting a program is alittle far fetched. Even more so when you consider the geth programs, enhanced or otherwise, did not exist when the Crucible was designed. The Geth aren't even on record for it to even have a setting that could target them if such a thing were possible.

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Ya I read his profil, on his view of IT, okay good night for real.

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its weird that we dont see aria in the final fight of mass effect.. or the vorcha.. or the blue sons or the eclipse...

do you think she went to omega without shep after he gets her the forces she wants and doesnt show up for the final battle because she either fails and dies or manages to retake the station and decides not to leave omega again...

maybe future dlc will explain why some people and fleets dont show up at the end... maybe by completing the dlc it will allow these forces to actually be present in the showdown... well here to hoping right?

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The Twilight God wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

byne wrote...

The Codex also said the Citadel was built by the Protheans until recently. Its written from an in-universe perspective, and not infallible.


But unlike the Citadel it actually says corporations built it. It's not as if it's some relic that was floating around and found intact. As I see it, it was built from the ground up in this cycle. It would be like saying Grissom Academy was built by the Reapers when we know it was built from scratch in this cycle.


Hey TTG. I'm a fan of your idea that the Geth survive. I might add that even if the destroy beam hits them, it only removes the reaper code and since the Geth were already somewhat self-aware programs before, they'll just be slightly dumber. I think they reproduce through copying their own programs, and they would be in Quarian suits, perhaps even protected . So I agree that the Geth are not destroyed.


I doubt it does that.

The Twilight God wrote...

Regardless, a string of code is not something that a blast of energy can defect as it will vary based on the affiliated hardware/storage medium. A program is representation of ones and zeros (or twos, threes. fours, etc. in the future) within a medium. No standard configuration, no standard hardware and no standard matter. There is no way to isolate such a general concept as it has no definitive qualities even on an atomic level. It would have to attack either all technology or a specific hardware configuration. Otherwise, the energy blast itself would require the inteligence, the speedy discernment and conscious awareness to be able to point out and disciminate in real-time on a case by case basis. That would be reaching and downright ridiculous.


Targetting a program is alittle far fetched. Even more so when you consider the geth programs, enhanced or otherwise, did not exist when the Crucible was designed. The Geth aren't even on record for it to even have a setting that could target them if such a thing were possible.


very true. You're right. Thanks for the correction.

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Jaulen wrote...

I've thought IT since I first hit the ending of ME3 and sat there going WTH?

In fact, my husband and I just discussed IT, and how Bioware really dropped the ball at the chance to set gaming history if they had originally planned IT as the ending to the game but didn't release the 'real'ending until a couple of weeks after the game dropped. (My husband's response was, they could have freely taken my money from now into the future)

Just think the build up they could have done with Twitter, Facebook, the mobile games/apps, and the ANN on the game start page....*I geek out thinking what a coup and great business idea that would have been*



Just have you and your husband watch the videos in the signature line.  It has spoilers so to speak lol.  Bet by the end of all three you'll go OMG it's so obvious!

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TheWill wrote...

its weird that we dont see aria in the final fight of mass effect.. or the vorcha.. or the blue sons or the eclipse...

do you think she went to omega without shep after he gets her the forces she wants and doesnt show up for the final battle because she either fails and dies or manages to retake the station and decides not to leave omega again...

maybe future dlc will explain why some people and fleets dont show up at the end... maybe by completing the dlc it will allow these forces to actually be present in the showdown... well here to hoping right?


I think after Omega is hers again, Aria will have the peace of mind to help Shep with the Reapers and it might turn the war at earth in in a conventional way towards organics.

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Oh and what ever happened to Simion says, and CoolioThane?

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TheWill wrote...

its weird that we dont see aria in the final fight of mass effect.. or the vorcha.. or the blue sons or the eclipse...

do you think she went to omega without shep after he gets her the forces she wants and doesnt show up for the final battle because she either fails and dies or manages to retake the station and decides not to leave omega again...

maybe future dlc will explain why some people and fleets dont show up at the end... maybe by completing the dlc it will allow these forces to actually be present in the showdown... well here to hoping right?


Hmm...by sacrificing Legion, does that mean I was making a wrong choice?  I'm just now thinking about the double meaning of sacrifcing Legion causing the Geth to become self aware.  Just that whole mission was about integrating yourself (Legion) with the rest of the Geth consensus/consiousness to pass along your experiences and overall how to be aware.  Is this like synthesis?

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masster blaster wrote...

Well I am going to bed. See you guys in eight hours. Keep the thread alive, and safe.


lol ditto soon then off to work.

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Argh! I got sucked into watching videos.

Really, it's bedtime now. *leave! Just turn off the computer!*

So, what's the general consensus on the Extended Cut and how that effects IT? (just watched angryjoes take so I'm wondering what the IT community feels)

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Omega was definitely build by the reapers...well not definitely but most likely. It's referenced jn one of the novels, when paul grayson (under full reaper control) looks around omega he hears the reapers in his systems say that everything else is temporary but their work prevails. I don't have an exact quote..but anyone interested can look it up. It has also been quoted several times in all three IT threads.

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Finally managed to complete one match.

On Bronze. But at least it was Full Extraction and barely over 12 minutes. So there, I'm doing my part. Are you happy now, Bioware? /cries

Yay...and next mission, I disconnect on wave 4...  Fantastic.

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Here are the most relevant quotes that imply omega was probably built by the reapers. Or now that i think about it...they had some hand in it's development.

"The cycle continues. Each civilization brings change, yet the works of our kind are eternal."

And whilr walking the "streets" of omega grayson "... almost felt like he was looking at it through fresh eyes: taking in every detail and comparing it against some half-remembered blueprint he didn't actually ever remember seeing."

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Count me in as a firm believer of IT. Even before I heard the theory, only “destroy” did make a sense for me. Other options are plain stupid – they can not exist at all or be considered as options by sane person. And the IT just plainly put all the pieces together – with IT other endings are just one more “critical mission failure”. And the opposition to IT is so strong because it is hard to admit that they were fooled by the Reapers.

One may say this is the wishful thinking. To counter that I will say that I have some experience in scientific evidence handling and logic (PhD in engineering and 44 years old; merely a baby for Asari – I know :)