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[plfranke]

TSA_383 wrote...

Pascal219 wrote...

twitter.com/GambleMike/status/254665092518526976


someone asked when can they go back and play the me3 ending

That's... actually a really interesting/odd response to that question... I'm confused.

What's odd about it? There are two ways to interperet it. My personal way is that he's saying get over the ending. The other way is that there is something forthecoming that will help people get over the ending.

[401 Kill]

masster blaster wrote...

Well until more is done with refuse, which I don't think it is because your EMS doesn't do anything, only you get a scene of Liara which I don't know what the required EMS is. I still say refuse sucks for right now. Also one person said you become a mindless husk/ the salarians like on Virmire all those years ago.

They were broken, like Shepard is in refuse. They don't do anything, like Shepard is in refuse. Sure Shepard talks, but he/she doesn't do anything after wards.

What could he do? He refused to make a desicion and is stuck in the hallucination. (Really? It auto corrected "what" to "Jawahar". Auto-correct sucks...)

[spotlessvoid]

Kyrene wrote...

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my guess was spot on.

[masster blaster]

401, yet Shepard has a chance to get out ( Destroy).

[Either.Ardrey]

plfranke wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Pascal219 wrote...

twitter.com/GambleMike/status/254665092518526976


someone asked when can they go back and play the me3 ending

That's... actually a really interesting/odd response to that question... I'm confused.

What's odd about it? There are two ways to interperet it. My personal way is that he's saying get over the ending. The other way is that there is something forthecoming that will help people get over the ending.

 
Since Gamble has only answered the first question and not the follow-ups, he could've also been referring to the EC, if by any time he meant you can play it at any time, 'cause it's already been "fixed." I sure hope it's something forthcoming, though.

[TSA_383]

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

That. Is. BRILLIANT.

The very first post I ever made on BSN was on the subject of the similarity between ME3 and the Matrix trilogy with regard to this scene, but I didn't think of the "first matrix" part of it in the same way that you did. Nice catch.



http://social.biowar.../index/11929257

Just to note, I subbed that thread, that was an awesome comparison.
I love how you mentioned Brave New World, people seem to only remember 1984

Hah cheers, I actually read brave new world/1984/a bunch of other dystopian fiction for my english class in the final year of high school.
It's actually pretty impressive seeing how many people from that thread are still around...

BleedingUranium wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Apparently some think that the volus characters may be a placeholder:
https://twitter.com/...733199861747713

Seems unlikely to me, but the Omega DLC has a lot more mystique around it than Leviathan (largely because they learned their lessons from us leaking large parts of the script of Leviathan on here in advance...)

Also, because they couldn't really do much in the way of twists in Leviathan. You were going something powerful enough to kill a Reaper, whether it was a rogue Reaper or what it turned out to be wouldn't hav made much difference, you find exactly what you were looking for.

With Omega, do you really think they'd have a DLC that was just about killing Cerberus people in Omega so Aria can have it back? If that was it, that wouldn't really be DLC worthy.

The premise is so weak there pretty much has to be a twist, a real twist. Even more than that, look at all the possible twists/subjects to cover:

-Omega was designed/built by the Reapers
-Why does Cerberus want it?
-Omega-4 relay is nearby, and thus, Collector base remains
-Collectors confirmed, why are they there?
-Totally unforseen twists as a result of any of the above
-Totally unforseen twists as a result of totally unforseen other things

Didn't reaper-grayson in the books comment that every cycle modified omega (implying that it was a reaper creation)?

Modifié par TSA_383, 08 octobre 2012 - 04:47 .

[zigamortis]

So any news on indoctrination?

[Either.Ardrey]

TSA_383 wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

That. Is. BRILLIANT.

The very first post I ever made on BSN was on the subject of the similarity between ME3 and the Matrix trilogy with regard to this scene, but I didn't think of the "first matrix" part of it in the same way that you did. Nice catch.



http://social.biowar.../index/11929257

Just to note, I subbed that thread, that was an awesome comparison.
I love how you mentioned Brave New World, people seem to only remember 1984

Hah cheers, I actually read brave new world/1984/a bunch of other dystopian fiction for my english class in the final year of high school.
It's actually pretty impressive seeing how many people from that thread are still around...

BleedingUranium wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Apparently some think that the volus characters may be a placeholder:
https://twitter.com/...733199861747713

Seems unlikely to me, but the Omega DLC has a lot more mystique around it than Leviathan (largely because they learned their lessons from us leaking large parts of the script of Leviathan on here in advance...)

Also, because they couldn't really do much in the way of twists in Leviathan. You were going something powerful enough to kill a Reaper, whether it was a rogue Reaper or what it turned out to be wouldn't hav made much difference, you find exactly what you were looking for.

With Omega, do you really think they'd have a DLC that was just about killing Cerberus people in Omega so Aria can have it back? If that was it, that wouldn't really be DLC worthy.

The premise is so weak there pretty much has to be a twist, a real twist. Even more than that, look at all the possible twists/subjects to cover:

-Omega was designed/built by the Reapers
-Why does Cerberus want it?
-Omega-4 relay is nearby, and thus, Collector base remains
-Collectors confirmed, why are they there?
-Totally unforseen twists as a result of any of the above
-Totally unforseen twists as a result of totally unforseen other things

Didn't reaper-grayson in the books comment that every cycle modified omega (implying that it was a reaper creation)?

I have no idea where that's coming from, because the asteroid wasn't split open until post-Prothean era.

Edit: It could still be started as a Reaper creation, just not edited by previous cycles. If that's what is actually said in the book, then it's either wrong or a retcon.

Modifié par Either.Ardrey, 08 octobre 2012 - 05:01 .

[401 Kill]

masster blaster wrote...

401, yet Shepard has a chance to get out ( Destroy).

I understand that, but I don't understand how refusing to make a choice is "accepting indoctrination". That is reserved for Control and synthesis. By refusing to make a choice, the kid will become angry that you refuse to take the hallucination further, and you remain stuck.

[masster blaster]

Well remember the kid wanted you to pick Control, and Synthesis, not much for Destroy. Refuseing the kid will leave Shepard in his/her hallucination, and there for will become a mindless husk like the codex says.

[masster blaster]

Also 401 Shepard regains some willpower everytime Shepard shoot's the tube in Destroy, like he/she is regaining his/herself again, and purging the Reaper influence out, hence the husk, and Reaper going of line.

[spotlessvoid]

Only Destroy having the breath scene seems to suggest it's the only right choice for now. Puzzle Theory suggests that could change with future dlc, but as it stands....

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

401 Kill wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well until more is done with refuse, which I don't think it is because your EMS doesn't do anything, only you get a scene of Liara which I don't know what the required EMS is. I still say refuse sucks for right now. Also one person said you become a mindless husk/ the salarians like on Virmire all those years ago.

They were broken, like Shepard is in refuse. They don't do anything, like Shepard is in refuse. Sure Shepard talks, but he/she doesn't do anything after wards.

What could he do? He refused to make a desicion and is stuck in the hallucination. (Really? It auto corrected "what" to "Jawahar". Auto-correct sucks...)

Sorry for responding late.

I just wanted to draw some comparisons between Kenson and Refuse Shep:
(Note: I initially recieved this idea from watching some of the IT vids out there, so it isn't mine and is elaborated on more in the videos)

-FACT: Everyone on the asteroid was eventually indoctrinated by Object Rho

-FACT: Harbinger took direct control of Kenson. 
  --Meaning he is in close proximity, Harbinger used the Collector General to amplify his will over the Collector forces from Dark Space

-FACT: Individuals can sense the onset of Indoctrination but are almost always unable to prevent it (characters from all 3 ME games)
  --Meaning: Kenson was on the verge of setting the asteroid into a collision course with the relay but didn't. Then she was captured by Batarians. (Datapads and dialogue show she could have started the Project before she was captured.

So Kenson had the ability to delay the Reapers but through her intial issues with wiping out an entire system and then the subtle suggestions of indoctrination she decided that allowing the Reapers to proceed forth, uninhibited was the best course of action (cut off all contact with the Alliance, sat around OR or watching the counter click down.

We easily see she is Indoctrinated, and how Refusal can be a tool of the Reapers:
The cost is too great
I won't sacrifice the soul of our species
We will find another way

Now, every single Mass Effect player (PS3, XBOX, PC) has had to make a hard decision:

-Virmire choice (both destruction methods and crew member choice)
-Extinction or Survival of the Rachni
-Destruction or Saving the Collector Base
-Destroying the Bahak system
-Geth/Quarian conflict resolution
-Council recommendations

Shepard is'nt perfect but s/he should be used to having to make hard decisions. Shepard unflinchingly activates the Project. It is the only way. 

But Kenson could not. She refused to make the hard choice.

And in the end of Mass Effect 3, Puzzle Theory or not, Shepard refuses (through his direct dialogue) to destroy what he sees as innocent synthetics, usurp control over the Reapers and guide the galaxy on his terms, or rewrite the entire DNA of all the flora and fauna and synthetics of the Galaxy. IT-wise s/he refuse to stop the Reapers. Victory at any costs. Shepard submits, he is'nt strong enough to defeat them, imagine your mind caving in.

Ironically, this is the only choice that reveals the Starkid's true being. Some may see that as support for a Refuse-Success down the road but I see that as the Reapers leaving Shepard trapped inside his mind, inside the illusion.

Modifié par NebuchadnezzaRT, 08 octobre 2012 - 05:13 .

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Also for those of you that only know about the Collectors tomorrow:

http://blog.bioware....e3-multiplayer/

[Restrider]

Guys/Gals, don't forget to vote!

[masster blaster]

Neb and Saren said he had no choice. He would either let the Reapers come and kill/harvest everyone, or join them and be promised that he would be saved.

Also every Indoctrinated person never mentions about Destroying the Reapers.

It's always Control, Synthesis, and now refues thanks to what you said Neb.

Destroy has never happened, and that's what makes it so awsome. In other words that Catalyst is bluffing that Shepard won't kill his friends because he/she can't do it.

That is why Shepard says " There has to be another way."

[paxxton]

Restrider wrote...

Guys/Gals, don't forget to vote!

I voted yesterday.

[Kabooooom]

I have no idea where that's coming from, because the asteroid wasn't split open until post-Prothean era.

ME: Retribution flat out states that the Reapers built Omega, and subsequent cycles added to it. And ME3 seems to refer to the events of Retribution as canon...wasn't the Prothean thing mere speculation on the part of individuals within the game anyways? ie: They assumed the Protheans built it, just like they assumed the Protheans built the relays and the Citadel? The Protheans probably assumed the Inusannon built Omega too.

[BleedingUranium]

TSA_383 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Apparently some think that the volus characters may be a placeholder:
https://twitter.com/...733199861747713

Seems unlikely to me, but the Omega DLC has a lot more mystique around it than Leviathan (largely because they learned their lessons from us leaking large parts of the script of Leviathan on here in advance...)

Also, because they couldn't really do much in the way of twists in Leviathan. You were going something powerful enough to kill a Reaper, whether it was a rogue Reaper or what it turned out to be wouldn't hav made much difference, you find exactly what you were looking for.

With Omega, do you really think they'd have a DLC that was just about killing Cerberus people in Omega so Aria can have it back? If that was it, that wouldn't really be DLC worthy.

The premise is so weak there pretty much has to be a twist, a real twist. Even more than that, look at all the possible twists/subjects to cover:

-Omega was designed/built by the Reapers
-Why does Cerberus want it?
-Omega-4 relay is nearby, and thus, Collector base remains
-Collectors confirmed, why are they there?
-Totally unforseen twists as a result of any of the above
-Totally unforseen twists as a result of totally unforseen other things

Didn't reaper-grayson in the books comment that every cycle modified omega (implying that it was a reaper creation)?

I didn't read it myself, but that's what's been said here, yes.

Restrider wrote...

Guys/Gals, don't forget to vote!

I just did! I say that, while maybe not the single strongest piece of evidence for IT, the breath scene is the backbone of it. IT wouldn't be much of anything if there were no breath scene.

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well until more is done with refuse, which I don't think it is because your EMS doesn't do anything, only you get a scene of Liara which I don't know what the required EMS is. I still say refuse sucks for right now. Also one person said you become a mindless husk/ the salarians like on Virmire all those years ago.

They were broken, like Shepard is in refuse. They don't do anything, like Shepard is in refuse. Sure Shepard talks, but he/she doesn't do anything after wards.

What could he do? He refused to make a desicion and is stuck in the hallucination. (Really? It auto corrected "what" to "Jawahar". Auto-correct sucks...)

Sorry for responding late.

I just wanted to draw some comparisons between Kenson and Refuse Shep:
(Note: I initially recieved this idea from watching some of the IT vids out there, so it isn't mine and is elaborated on more in the videos)

-FACT: Everyone on the asteroid was eventually indoctrinated by Object Rho

-FACT: Harbinger took direct control of Kenson.
--Meaning he is in close proximity, Harbinger used the Collector General to amplify his will over the Collector forces from Dark Space

-FACT: Individuals can sense the onset of Indoctrination but are almost always unable to prevent it (characters from all 3 ME games)
--Meaning: Kenson was on the verge of setting the asteroid into a collision course with the relay but didn't. Then she was captured by Batarians. (Datapads and dialogue show she could have started the Project before she was captured.

So Kenson had the ability to delay the Reapers but through her intial issues with wiping out an entire system and then the subtle suggestions of indoctrination she decided that allowing the Reapers to proceed forth, uninhibited was the best course of action (cut off all contact with the Alliance, sat around OR or watching the counter click down.

We easily see she is Indoctrinated, and how Refusal can be a tool of the Reapers:
The cost is too great
I won't sacrifice the soul of our species
We will find another way

Now, every single Mass Effect player (PS3, XBOX, PC) has had to make a hard decision:

-Virmire choice (both destruction methods and crew member choice)
-Extinction or Survival of the Rachni
-Destruction or Saving the Collector Base
-Destroying the Bahak system
-Geth/Quarian conflict resolution
-Council recommendations

Shepard is'nt perfect but s/he should be used to having to make hard decisions. Shepard unflinchingly activates the Project. It is the only way.

But Kenson could not. She refused to make the hard choice.

And in the end of Mass Effect 3, Puzzle Theory or not, Shepard refuses (through his direct dialogue) to destroy what he sees as innocent synthetics, usurp control over the Reapers and guide the galaxy on his terms, or rewrite the entire DNA of all the flora and fauna and synthetics of the Galaxy. IT-wise s/he refuse to stop the Reapers. Victory at any costs. Shepard submits, he is'nt strong enough to defeat them, imagine your mind caving in.

Ironically, this is the only choice that reveals the Starkid's true being. Some may see that as support for a Refuse-Success down the road but I see that as the Reapers leaving Shepard trapped inside his mind, inside the illusion.

Well said. Arrival is Destroy vs Refuse, but without the ability to choose Refuse.

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

[BleedingUranium]

Kabooooom wrote...

I have no idea where that's coming from, because the asteroid wasn't split open until post-Prothean era.

ME: Retribution flat out states that the Reapers built Omega, and subsequent cycles added to it. And ME3 seems to refer to the events of Retribution as canon...wasn't the Prothean thing mere speculation on the part of individuals within the game anyways? ie: They assumed the Protheans built it, just like they assumed the Protheans built the relays and the Citadel? The Protheans probably assumed the Inusannon built Omega too.

Doesn't everything that's ever thought to be built by the Protheans turn out to be Reaper tech?  The Relays, Citadel, and now Omega. Hmm, I wonder what other large, important, supposedly Prothean object might be Reaper tech...

[401 Kill]

@NebuchadnezzaRT- Ah, thank you. Now I understand how you came to that conclusion. That is some very compelling evidence as to why refuse is becoming indoctrinated. It might not be much to the degree that synthesis offers, but some degree of being indoctrinated from refuse is hinted at from arrival. (good comparison)

[401 Kill]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Kabooooom wrote...

I have no idea where that's coming from, because the asteroid wasn't split open until post-Prothean era.

ME: Retribution flat out states that the Reapers built Omega, and subsequent cycles added to it. And ME3 seems to refer to the events of Retribution as canon...wasn't the Prothean thing mere speculation on the part of individuals within the game anyways? ie: They assumed the Protheans built it, just like they assumed the Protheans built the relays and the Citadel? The Protheans probably assumed the Inusannon built Omega too.

Doesn't everything that's ever thought to be built by the Protheans turn out to be Reaper tech?  The Relays, Citadel, and now Omega. Hmm, I wonder what other large, important, supposedly Prothean object might be Reaper tech...

And the Protheans believed that the Crucible was handed down to them from the previous cycle...

[Either.Ardrey]

Kabooooom wrote...

I have no idea where that's coming from, because the asteroid wasn't split open until post-Prothean era.

ME: Retribution flat out states that the Reapers built Omega, and subsequent cycles added to it. And ME3 seems to refer to the events of Retribution as canon...wasn't the Prothean thing mere speculation on the part of individuals within the game anyways? ie: They assumed the Protheans built it, just like they assumed the Protheans built the relays and the Citadel? The Protheans probably assumed the Inusannon built Omega too.

Not accurate, and see my edit. The codex doesn't think it was built by Protheans. It says that they think they tried to mine the asteroid, but failed. Later, post-Prothean, the asteroid split, opening up the valuable core for mining by the next cycle. If it's flat out stated in the book, then it is also flat out a retcon, like I hypothesized in my previous edit.

Edit: A retcon I'm fine with, btw. 'Could lead to cool story opportunities.

Modifié par Either.Ardrey, 08 octobre 2012 - 06:01 .

[masster blaster]

Yes Either, but couldn't the Reapers have Indoctrinated the people that built Oemga, hence built by the Reapers. Because if it was built by Prothean tech, then Javik would have/maybe heared about Omega.

For right now we will just have to wait and see. Yet I think Omega is Reaper made, and Cerberus wanted Omega for that purpose.

[Skillz1986]

Wow...hatred for IT has eached a new high...at least for me.

Just had a multiplayer match with three othe guys who knew each other. We had some good matfhes and fun time talking.
Then i said how i could not wait for omega and the changes..options it might bring to the ending.
I was then asked if i was "one of these nutjobs believing in IT" . I answered accordingly..and all communication with me stopped...they didn't warn me about enemies...did not respond when i tried to talk etc. Then before the next match i got booted out. See..i'm not crying over it, but this is flat out discrimination.