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[paxxton]

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

OMG! This could happen to Mass Effect in 30 years.
 

And there would still be synthesis supporters griping about not being able to rape the galaxy

Birds + Piggies = Biriggies.

[spotlessvoid]

BatmanTurian wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

"The ending reveals that all the conventional-wisdom about the Reapers is false.

Hackett was wrong. Anderson was wrong. Even Shepard was wrong.

And, "So, the Illusive Man was right afterall."

Destroy is not the only way. It's just one way.

okay here. This is why I say those people ARE STRAIGHT UP INDOCTRINATED by a blob of pixels with a boys voice. It's so sad. I hate my species' stupidity. I don't want to live on this planet anymore

i just keep repeating this mantra:

Its only the bsn. its only the bsn. 

[BatmanTurian]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

There are people who think the star child dies in synthesis...

But why?  He helped me save the galaxy. 

Because shepard replaces him and *more BS* and then everyone can communicate with everyone else *more BS* and that's why Synthesis is morally superior to the other choices.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 08 octobre 2012 - 08:38 .

[spotlessvoid]

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

OMG! This could happen to Mass Effect in 30 years.
 

And there would still be synthesis supporters griping about not being able to rape the galaxy

Birds + Piggies = Biriggies.

i lol'd. twice. 

[masster blaster]

Leviathan can take the APPEARANCE of the people Shepard has meet from his/her memories, it also creates objects that Shepard has seen to. You can confirm this because Leviathan creates Brysons lab table, where the husk head can be founded. Hence why the end looks like Bioware reused their work, because that's what the Reapers are doing.

Also we find out that if Leviathan get's into Shepard's mind Shepard starts to have a nose bleed on his/her left nose, like at the end. People may say that " Well Shepard is injured, yet you can see similarities between the two.

www.youtube.com/watch

I forgot to leave the Leviathan video watch it, and think about the endings, the Catalyst, and this.


Ya I posted this on the first page, and never got a reply on it.

[BatmanTurian]

spotlessvoid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

"The ending reveals that all the conventional-wisdom about the Reapers is false.

Hackett was wrong. Anderson was wrong. Even Shepard was wrong.

And, "So, the Illusive Man was right afterall."

Destroy is not the only way. It's just one way.

okay here. This is why I say those people ARE STRAIGHT UP INDOCTRINATED by a blob of pixels with a boys voice. It's so sad. I hate my species' stupidity. I don't want to live on this planet anymore

i just keep repeating this mantra:

Its only the bsn. its only the bsn. 

Still, this is how human beings really are. This is an example of deficient cognitive function.

[Home run MF]

Sorry to disappoint people but just went through that CollectorShip pcc and it's a part of the level where you met Ann Bryson. There are a bunch of sand textures, desks and the stuff that breaks when the Ravagers shoot at you. Even the Leviathan murals are there too.

[Bill Casey]

BatmanTurian wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

"The ending reveals that all the conventional-wisdom about the Reapers is false.

Hackett was wrong. Anderson was wrong. Even Shepard was wrong.

And, "So, the Illusive Man was right afterall."

Destroy is not the only way. It's just one way.

okay
here. This is why I say those people ARE STRAIGHT UP INDOCTRINATED by a
blob of pixels with a boys voice. It's so sad. I hate my species'
stupidity. I don't want to live on this planet anymore

Steps 3 and 4 of the lifton method...
Note that all Shepards at this point are already experiencing an identity crisis and a lot of guilt...

science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/brainwashing1.htm

• Self-betrayal: Agree with me that you are bad. Once the
  subject is disoriented and drowning in guilt, the agent forces him
  (either with the threat of physical harm or of continuance of the mental
  attack) to denounce his family, friends and peers who share the same
  "wrong" belief system that he holds. This betrayal of his own beliefs
  and of people he feels a sense of loyalty to increases the shame and
  loss of identity the target is already experiencing.

• Breaking point: Who am I, where am I and what am I supposed to do?
  With his identity in crisis, experiencing deep shame and having
  betrayed what he has always believed in, the target may undergo what in
  the lay community is referred to as a "nervous breakdown." In
  psychology, "nervous breakdown" is really just a collection of severe
  symptoms that can indicate any number of psychological disturbances. It
  may involve uncontrollable sobbing, deep depression and general
  disorientation. The target may have lost his grip on reality and have
  the feeling of being completely lost and alone. When
  the target reaches his breaking point, his sense of self is pretty much
  up for grabs -- he has no clear understanding of who he is or what is
  happening to him. At this point, the agent sets up the temptation to
  convert to another belief system that will save the target from his
  misery.

Modifié par Bill Casey, 08 octobre 2012 - 08:41 .

[paxxton]

spotlessvoid wrote...

What exactly happens to starchild in synthesis anyways?

He finds what he's been looking for and exits the infinite loop. Then he ends himself.

Modifié par paxxton, 08 octobre 2012 - 08:43 .

[spotlessvoid]

Home run MF wrote...

Sorry to disappoint people but just went through that CollectorShip pcc and it's a part of the level where you met Ann Bryson. There are a bunch of sand textures, desks and the stuff that breaks when the Ravagers shoot at you. Even the Leviathan murals are there too.

Even if it's nothing it's not really disappointing. It never was a big deal to begin with. Thanks for the info though

[masster blaster]

"What sort of technology would Synthesis allow for the integration of, precisely? What upgrades would be likely to be attached?"


"I've always thought the only thing that would actually come with the Synthesis was a communication augmentation, something like the Rachni have in functionality or the geth. Of course you wouldn't be connected to anything all the time, you'd go insane."

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 octobre 2012 - 08:44 .

[masster blaster]

"If we create new synthetics, we can understand them. And they can't "surpass their creators"."

What???


"About the "Reaper implants" mentioned:

"Nanomachines" is really a
very broad category, and if you want changes on the cellular level,
it's an obvious type of tool to use in SF universes. There are almost
unlimited applications. If two different scenarios use nanomachines that
says absolutely nothing about any similarity in those scenarios.

Synthesis
can use nanomachines to make connections between organic and
non-organic structures, Reaper implants can use them to indoctrinate.
Saying it's the same is comparable to saying that a propeller-driven
airplane is the same as a motorcycle because both use combustion engines
to get moving."


"As for the green eyes and circuit skin:

I've always maintained
they are an artistic representation of mostly invisible changes. What
actually happens is that "the matrix of organic life" is changed, which
likely means some change in biochemistry, with the result that organic
life can now seamlessly integrate "synthetic technology". We cannot see
that, but it needs to be shown that things are now different than
before, in a way that carries a certain mood the artists wish to
associate with this scenario.

Thus, we get the "circuit skin" to
indicate that organic life is now somehow closer to synthetic life.
Plausibly, they cannot be real because real circuits, even more highly
advanced ones, would be too small to see structures of.

We also
get the green eyes. Those carry a mood of strangeness. Something weird
has happened, something we cannot be immediately comfortable with,
something we need to figure out. For the same reason, the soldiers don't
cheer in Synthesis. It's a "WTF just happened?" reaction. Real glowing
eyes would serve no purpose, it's just a marker of strangeness, but
people are aware that something has fundamentally changed.

Bioware
has said that there are elements in the endings that aren't meant to be
taken literally. This is an example of such elements.

Edit:
This
ties very well into the "ascension" theme btw. Ascension, regardless of
how you define it or how desirable you think it may be, always means
changing into something you have not been before, as a person, a
civilization, or both. It is by definition not comfortable and may even
come across as creepy. The idea may evoke fear in some that you leave
something behind you'd rather keep. The quote I used at the start of the
OP -  "There are infinite possibilities, but not for Man" - captures
both the hopes and the fears bound up in the concept, and by choosing
Synthesis, you are putting the whole galaxy on a path that may lead
there.

That's why I think the weird green glow is a very apt
artistic representation, though I think the artists went overboard with
the version in the slides. The version in the Normandy scenes is much
more subtle and carries the message just as well. "

Okay I think I will stop this is just.......................

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 octobre 2012 - 08:48 .

[BatmanTurian]

Bill Casey wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

"The ending reveals that all the conventional-wisdom about the Reapers is false.

Hackett was wrong. Anderson was wrong. Even Shepard was wrong.

And, "So, the Illusive Man was right afterall."

Destroy is not the only way. It's just one way.

okay
here. This is why I say those people ARE STRAIGHT UP INDOCTRINATED by a
blob of pixels with a boys voice. It's so sad. I hate my species'
stupidity. I don't want to live on this planet anymore

Steps 3 and 4 of the lifton method...
Note that all Shepards at this point are already experiencing an identity crisis and a lot of guilt...

science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/brainwashing1.htm

• Self-betrayal: Agree with me that you are bad. Once the
  subject is disoriented and drowning in guilt, the agent forces him
  (either with the threat of physical harm or of continuance of the mental
  attack) to denounce his family, friends and peers who share the same
  "wrong" belief system that he holds. This betrayal of his own beliefs
  and of people he feels a sense of loyalty to increases the shame and
  loss of identity the target is already experiencing.

• Breaking point: Who am I, where am I and what am I supposed to do?
  With his identity in crisis, experiencing deep shame and having
  betrayed what he has always believed in, the target may undergo what in
  the lay community is referred to as a "nervous breakdown." In
  psychology, "nervous breakdown" is really just a collection of severe
  symptoms that can indicate any number of psychological disturbances. It
  may involve uncontrollable sobbing, deep depression and general
  disorientation. The target may have lost his grip on reality and have
  the feeling of being completely lost and alone. When
  the target reaches his breaking point, his sense of self is pretty much
  up for grabs -- he has no clear understanding of who he is or what is
  happening to him. At this point, the agent sets up the temptation to
  convert to another belief system that will save the target from his
  misery.

[*]That's word for word what happens in Room 101 from the end of 1984

[BleedingUranium]

Bill Casey wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

"All of which would be irrelevant because they all think the only option is to destroy the Reapers. At the end of the day, what non-omnicient characters say means very little in this argument. All we know is their opinion. Opinionsdon't prove a damn thing"

EDI: But moral decisions should not be made in a vacuum. If I do not ask the crew for their opinion, I could miss crucial context.

Shepard makes his decision in space...

[BatmanTurian]

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

What exactly happens to starchild in synthesis anyways?

He finds what he's been looking for and exits the infinite loop. Then he ends himself.

I hope you are joking and that isn't a baseless assumption on your part.

[BatmanTurian]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

"All of which would be irrelevant because they all think the only option is to destroy the Reapers. At the end of the day, what non-omnicient characters say means very little in this argument. All we know is their opinion. Opinionsdon't prove a damn thing"

EDI: But moral decisions should not be made in a vacuum. If I do not ask the crew for their opinion, I could miss crucial context.

Shepard makes his decision in space...

oh haha. (no really, that was awful)

[masster blaster]

Okay I got one more.

"Aha! The circuit boards and green eyes are artistic representation, and not how the Synthesis folks look in real life. This is I can understand since, also, electron microscope images of DNA look nothing like the double helix in the epilogue. It is a little overboard tho.

But there must be some physical change since all the characters in the Synthesis ending seem to be looking at themselves in wonder. Any idea what that is? Maybe they just feel weird?

Another point: do you think the galactic explosions are artistic representations as well? The wave in those is clearly traveling at FTL speeds, and if there were matter in there that would cause a chain reaction it would necessarily impact with catastrophic results to.... well... pretty much everything. Maybe the explosion uses some sort of quantum entanglement chain reaction, which is why it is so fast?

Maybe the wave is carrying some M Theory newly created string sub-atomic particle that chain reacts with DNA (or everything)?"

And done for today.

[masster blaster]

Never mind I found something the Seival created. it's pretty good art work, but i don't know.


Just finished new fan-art, and called it "Controlled Synthesis". Not quite happy with the picture in general (the concept was too complicated for me, I guess), but I hope it's clear that we see Shepard-Catalyst (symbolical image of course), initiating Synthesis.

Since it's both Control and Synthesis related, I think I should post it in both support threads

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 octobre 2012 - 08:52 .

[BatmanTurian]

masster blaster wrote...

Okay I got one more.

"Aha! The circuit boards and green eyes are artistic representation, and not how the Synthesis folks look in real life. This is I can understand since, also, electron microscope images of DNA look nothing like the double helix in the epilogue. It is a little overboard tho.

But there must be some physical change since all the characters in the Synthesis ending seem to be looking at themselves in wonder. Any idea what that is? Maybe they just feel weird?

Another point: do you think the galactic explosions are artistic representations as well? The wave in those is clearly traveling at FTL speeds, and if there were matter in there that would cause a chain reaction it would necessarily impact with catastrophic results to.... well... pretty much everything. Maybe the explosion uses some sort of quantum entanglement chain reaction, which is why it is so fast?

Maybe the wave is carrying some M Theory newly created string sub-atomic particle that chain reacts with DNA (or everything)?"

And done for today.

These people are just crazy in denial. This is pathetic.

[BatmanTurian]

masster blaster wrote...

Never mind I found something the Seival created. it's pretty good art work, but i don't know.


Just finished new fan-art, and called it "Controlled Synthesis". Not quite happy with the picture in general (the concept was too complicated for me, I guess), but I hope it's clear that we see Shepard-Catalyst (symbolical image of course), initiating Synthesis.

Since it's both Control and Synthesis related, I think I should post it in both support threads

Guh! take it away! nightmare fuel. How can anyone think that that figure looks benevolent?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

What exactly happens to starchild in synthesis anyways?

He finds what he's been looking for and exits the infinite loop. Then he ends himself.

I hope you are joking and that isn't a baseless assumption on your part.

Oh come on, we all know the Catalyst is laughing all the way to the (Gene) bank in Synthesis and Control

[masster blaster]

Know do you see BatmanTurian what I have been talking about.

[paxxton]

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

What exactly happens to starchild in synthesis anyways?

He finds what he's been looking for and exits the infinite loop. Then he ends himself.

I hope you are joking and that isn't a baseless assumption on your part.

It's plausible from the non-IT perspective. That's what a program does - closes itself when its job is done.

[spotlessvoid]

There aren't enough rape kits in the universe to make synthesis possible

[masster blaster]

Okay really one more.


"I bet you that people wouldn't be making such a big stink about Synthesis if they toned down the green Circuits on everyones bodies."



"Maybe. Everyone thinks that synthesis beam implants you with reaper tech (space magic smilie), but I think that's not true.

It's seems like synthetic parts attached to our DNA, and nothing more."

Picture:



"Perhaps. The transformation is felt by many people to be a violation of
the integrity of the body. The question is why that feeling is so
strong. I think the circuit patterns contribute to it, and the green
eyes don't help.

I think it's important that something like that
is there though. IMO it's an important point of the artistic
presentation of the Synthesis that we're supposed to look past the
creepiness and see what it is really about.

@ATiBotka:
The
changes certainly occur on the cellular level. The problem is if the
changes occur at the same scale as DNA - which the images suggest - they
must me molecular, it can't be "synthetic parts". Reaper implants,
though - that's a total fabrication. Nothing at all points in that
direction.

One possibility is so-called nanosomes - nanomachines small enough to work within cells, maybe on the scale of a ribosome."

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 octobre 2012 - 08:58 .