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[Vibez]

Guys, have you considered that this Collector Ship .ppc file could have been added just recently in this big patch? I can't really believe no one has noticed this while lurking in Levi files before. That fact would definitely confirm Bioware chainging game files as they see fit.

Maybe there's someone here hwo hasn't updated the game yet and would see if it's really there or not? It's worth checking.

[BatmanTurian]

Bill I'm reading that brainwashing article. This is basically what happens from the moment Shepard runs down the conduit and even more so enters the beam and arrives on the "citadel" with TIM telling Shepard he is wrong and trying to make Shepard doubt himself, then a reprieve, then threat from starkid, then reprieve, then choosing a new paradigm of thought.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

What exactly happens to starchild in synthesis anyways?

He finds what he's been looking for and exits the infinite loop. Then he ends himself.

I hope you are joking and that isn't a baseless assumption on your part.

It's plausible from the non-IT perspective. That's what a program does - closes itself when its job is done.

Actually if you get far enough down into the code that is not entirely true. At a certain level you have to program it too close after completeing its operations or it will continue to run. It wont do anything but it will continue...

I am studying computer programming and we learned this in a recent lesson...

[paxxton]

Vibez wrote...

Guys, have you considered that this Collector Ship .ppc file could have been added just recently in this big patch? I can't really believe no one has noticed this while lurking in Levi files before. That fact would definitely confirm Bioware chainging game files as they see fit.

Maybe there's someone here hwo hasn't updated the game yet and would see if it's really there or not? It's worth checking.

Might be the case. Afaik there wasn't any Collector Ship file in the pics of gamefiles lists posted in this thread.

[masster blaster]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Harbinger, in the new Retaliation trailer:

"They will SUCCUMB and ASCEND, or they will be ANNIHILATED."

Still feeling good about picking synthesis?

Still sure about this "different kind" of ascension?

Just throwing it out here.



"What is this I don't even....

How does succumb = control, by your own arbitrary definition of it?

Let's get an actual thesaurus entry on the word.....

http://thesaurus.com...wse/succumb?s=t

Scroll down to the bottom and you'll find this:

Synonyms: back down, be casualty, be destroyed, be killed (...)


To say nothing of how a trailer about the game's multiplayer on an enemy we're already familiar with somehow proves crackpot IT. There's a reason why "does this prove IT?" is the butt of all jokes on this site, because the cult of IT sees evvverrrryyything in the game through destroy-red colored lens, so literally everything in ME3 or related to it is proof. So out of touch with reality that they perceive words to mean things that a simple search in a thesaurus will prove incorrect.

Just look at my thread from yesterday. I wrote that Shepard perceives the catalyst as a child, and IT came right in and went all like "you just said the catalyst is in Shepard's head zomg zomg!" No, I didn't. But again, its their red-tinted lens at work."

Okay I found the reason why I went to that thread.

[BatmanTurian]

SwobyJ wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Wow...hatred for IT has eached a new high...at least for me.

Just had a multiplayer match with three othe guys who knew each other. We had some good matfhes and fun time talking.
Then i said how i could not wait for omega and the changes..options it might bring to the ending.
I was then asked if i was "one of these nutjobs believing in IT" . I answered accordingly..and all communication with me stopped...they didn't warn me about enemies...did not respond when i tried to talk etc. Then before the next match i got booted out. See..i'm not crying over it, but this is flat out discrimination.

Lol. This is very interesting...

It's the effect of brainwashing. Bioware has brainwashed its fanbase.

[paxxton]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

What exactly happens to starchild in synthesis anyways?

He finds what he's been looking for and exits the infinite loop. Then he ends himself.

I hope you are joking and that isn't a baseless assumption on your part.

It's plausible from the non-IT perspective. That's what a program does - closes itself when its job is done.

Actually if you get far enough down into the code that is not entirely true. At a certain level you have to program it too close after completeing its operations or it will continue to run. It wont do anything but it will continue...

I am studying computer programming and we learned this in a recent lesson...

Yes, I was talking about a well-designed app.

PostQuitMessage(0);

Modifié par paxxton, 08 octobre 2012 - 09:01 .

[masster blaster]

"You didn't answer my question. Where, exactly, do I need evidence?

Harbinger related to the Collectors.... anybody who's played ME2 should understand that. The purpose of a trailer.... I think your average 1st grader can understand this w/o evidence. That the Reapers "ascend" organics and/or annihilate their civilizations/resistance... I shouldn't have to prove that to anyone here.

Next three points I'm holding back on my explanation, for now. Last thing was about Levi vs. Catalyst was opinion.

So.... ?

I tend to assume some things are understood and don't need evidence/explanation, unless the other side demonstrates an even more dire lack of background knowledge/information than I previously thought."

this was from TTG thread.

[spotlessvoid]

It's actually stunning that Bioware managed to realign a sizeable chunk of their fanbase's goals from destroying the Reapers to vigorously defending them. It's breath taking, really...

[Cyberfrog81]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

In destroy, (whether the results we see are real or not) you do what you came to do. You stay your ground. You're not dissuaded by Reaper propaganda. You keep fighting.

You didn't come to choose among suspicious options presented to you by the enemy. You didn't come to eliminate synthetics as a threat. How many did TIM "sacrifice" in the name of stopping the Reapers? How did that work out?

Destroy can be another wrong choice. I'm not saying it is, but it can be. It's in the hands of the writers.

In refuse, you give up. You're disheartened by the choices presented to you and don't even want to fight on. You don't even want to destroy the Reapers anymore.You can't make the hard choices. Which means death of character for every Shepard.

Deciding not to use the Crucible isn't a hard choice? The fact that the so-called Catalyst prefers Destroy to Refuse doesn't give you pause?

Disobeying makes sense. Being suspicious as hell and remembering Anderson's words ("there's always another way") makes sense. I aim to misbehave.

I would even say refusing is stupid, because you doom the entire galaxy to extinction because you don't want to sacrifice EDI and the Geth (both of which have stated they are prepared to die for the cause).

I'd say this is metagaming. If IT is true, I say Shepard should wake up, keep fighting.

In literal, since Shepard didn't stupidly (try to) kill himself because the enemy convinced him it was necessary, Shepard is still in that war.

And don't give me that "no conventional victory" assertion. When you accuse others of giving up, you don't get to use that argument.

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

The difference I still think
is that Destroy is not an option presented by the Starchild in proper:
"I know you have thought about destroying us." It seems less like he is
presenting it and more like he acknowledges the choice existence too me
at least.

Except he explains in detail what will happen.
Damn thing knows too much. I
liked IT better before the extended Catalyst.

Beyond
that Destroy is not a compromise. Shepard came to destroy the Reapers
despite what sacrifices might be necesary, he is not agreeing to
anything but his own mindset and doing what he always came to do when
choosing Destroy.

Think of it this way:
After "Child" says synthetics would destroy all organics, Shepard is willing to sacrifice all synthetic
life. Was he always? Or is he being influenced? Either way, I don't
particularly want to be that Shepard. It's no longer simply war, it's a
crime against sentience.

IT seems to forget just how nasty it is because "hey, hallucination, remember!"

"We destroy the Reapers or the Reapers destroy us". That's what we want. Instead, what we got is,
"We
destroy all synthetics (destroy) or the Reapers destroy us (reject)".
Then we go for destroy, wake up and oooooops, the Reapers are still
there. Bad day (oh, and Javik has the right idea. Bring me geth and an
airlock!!).

That is a joke...


Mostly playing devil's advocate here, as I don't have a Shepard that picked Reject anymore.

[masster blaster]

"If the Reapers gain independent intelligence via freedom from the control signal from the Catalyst, why would the converts not become similarly independent? I know that the Catalyst was destroyed, (and the destruction of the Citadel leading to the deaths of millions is admittedly making me reluctant to go for Synthesis), but it seems as though everything synthetic was supposed to gain more individuality/agency, similar to the geth earlier. "

"The Reapers do not "gain" independent intelligence. They've always had
it. It was just subverted by the Catalyst. Also, the Reapers are
"uploaded and conjoined minds". Synthesis doesn't break them up into
their constituent minds, though a post-Synthesis "reincarnation"
scenario has been debated. As I see it, the Reaper minions are either
avatars of their Reaper, or something completely new. "

"Hm. On that note, what would a Reaper's mind be like without the
Catalyst enforcing its will on them? While the Reapers never expressed
much emotion, they seemed very much like the Leviathans in personality
except even more implacable. Would this change?
"

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 octobre 2012 - 09:06 .

[BatmanTurian]

masster blaster wrote...

There's a reason why "does this prove IT?" is the butt of all jokes on this site, because the cult of IT sees evvverrrryyything in the game through destroy-red colored lens, so literally everything in ME3 or related to it is proof.

And Synthesis and Control people don't see the game through a lens as well?HYR 2.0 is willfully blind or full of $**t.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 08 octobre 2012 - 09:08 .

[masster blaster]

"like to think that the reaction of the husk was the reaction of a nearby reaper as it came to its senses post-synthesis."


"Actually in that fighting scene I thought the husk that was attacking that soldier had the look of horror on it's face the way it suddenly backed away. As it was begging for mercy. It's like EVERYONE suddenly came to their senses and realised how futile fighting was.

I wonder if the Reapers had enough knowledge to restore the husks to their former selves?"

WHAT????????

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 octobre 2012 - 09:09 .

[spotlessvoid]

BatmanTurian wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

There's a reason why "does this prove IT?" is the butt of all jokes on this site, because the cult of IT sees evvverrrryyything in the game through destroy-red colored lens, so literally everything in ME3 or related to it is proof.

And Synthesis and Control people don't see the game through a lens as well? This guy is willfully blind or full of $**t.

They see mass effect through a brick wall

[masster blaster]

No more I can't take it. My head.

"If synthesis can't be forced, what is shepard jumping into the beam for?

Galactic readiness can't be forced.

The solution itself can be.

In the same way Destroy and Control are forced."

I can't stop.

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 octobre 2012 - 09:11 .

[masster blaster]

"Anyone thought about how Synthesis as described by the Catalyst is possible? Just some random thoughts here.

It is described as a "chain reaction" from an energy wave which in the Synthesis epilogue seems to generate some new particles (atoms, molecules?) around the DNA double helix backbones or something. How would an energy wave with Shepard's "energy" (and mostly Crucible energy) cause a chain reaction to do that?

Obviously there is not not enough mass in Shepard to spread into every living thing in the galaxy, so to create this extra layer of to DNA, wouldn't it have to react with other parts of the body to gain particles? Wouldn't that by definition be destructive? I mean, it's not like only vestigial organs or something could be targeted because it is a chain reaction to all organic matter.

Catalyst: "Organics will be perfected by integrating fully with synthetic technology."

This new DNA generates.... what?... more robust structured organs... molecules or cells in organs which are synthetic? Our brains would gain more processing power and our bodies would be hardier. Why would that generate those circuit board-like structures on epidermis?

I understand that the end result is a more powerful and "perfect" organism, but why would any of this stop the creator/created cycle of violence? Does the increased capabilities of our minds mean we would be less prone to violence against synthetics?

Doesn't this just set the bar higher for the created to surpass? Won't organisms that value their own lives create robots for more menial or dangerous tasks which could then develop AI which seek freedom? "

[BatmanTurian]

spotlessvoid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

There's a reason why "does this prove IT?" is the butt of all jokes on this site, because the cult of IT sees evvverrrryyything in the game through destroy-red colored lens, so literally everything in ME3 or related to it is proof.

And Synthesis and Control people don't see the game through a lens as well? This guy is willfully blind or full of $**t.

They see mass effect through a brick wall

"You guys see the world through a destroy-red colored lens and that's why you're a joke!"

" Well, you technically see it through a synthesis and control lens and you will use anything to justify your decision so you don't have to admit you were tricked by a white blob spouting empty platitudes"

" Yeah well.... IT is a conspiracy theory. "

" Well if by conspiracy theory you mean a well-thought out and logical examination of facts about the themes and story elements of the games, then sure. You're just taking what the Reaper CEO says at face value. That seems dumber to me."

" Whatever. I'm taking my ball and playing somewhere else where I can have control and synthesis threads with black jack and hookers. Actually, forget the black jack. And the hookers. We'll just circlejerk about our favorite fantasy because we can't face the reality you're trying to show us."

" Have fun with that."

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

Beyond
that Destroy is not a compromise. Shepard came to destroy the Reapers
despite what sacrifices might be necesary, he is not agreeing to
anything but his own mindset and doing what he always came to do when
choosing Destroy.

Think of it this way:
After "Child" says synthetics would destroy all organics[/b], Shepard is willing to sacrifice all [b]synthetic
life. Was he always? Or is he being influenced? Either way, I don't
particularly want to be that Shepard. It's no longer simply war, it's a
crime against sentience.

IT seems to forget just how nasty it is because "hey, hallucination, remember!"

Believe me I realize quite well how horrible it is, I almost fell into Synthesis because I did not want to kill the Geth...but then I thought of Legion.

He told us the Geth wanted to stake out a future of their own, not have it granted by the old machines...yet that was what Synthesis would do. Not just to the Geth but to every living creature. It would forcefully change everyone without consent.

And as hard as it was from there I also remembered what EDI and the Geth had said, that there would be no more compromise with the Reapers, that they would risk non functionality to end the Reapers. They walked into this battle ready to die for what was right, as did every other soldier in the entire fleet.

Did that make it easy? No, but as far as i saw it it was the only way. Control was a no go from the start, TIM had showed me what came of that, Synthesis was an abomination I would not force on others. All I could do was take comfort in the fact that they were ready to die to end this, that they had actually made that choice.

[masster blaster]

Okay let's get back IT. So about Shepard being on the Citadel I think he can't because i remember Blurr said that " In the original script Shepard was suppose to be in rubble, and have a re-bar in/her leg." Just like the breath scene. I say we can count that as evidence that Shepard is on Earth.

[BatmanTurian]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

Beyond
that Destroy is not a compromise. Shepard came to destroy the Reapers
despite what sacrifices might be necesary, he is not agreeing to
anything but his own mindset and doing what he always came to do when
choosing Destroy.

Think of it this way:
After "Child" says synthetics would destroy all organics[/b], Shepard is willing to sacrifice all [b]synthetic
life. Was he always? Or is he being influenced? Either way, I don't
particularly want to be that Shepard. It's no longer simply war, it's a
crime against sentience.

IT seems to forget just how nasty it is because "hey, hallucination, remember!"

Believe me I realize quite well how horrible it is, I almost fell into Synthesis because I did not want to kill the Geth...but then I thought of Legion.

He told us the Geth wanted to stake out a future of their own, not have it granted by the old machines...yet that was what Synthesis would do. Not just to the Geth but to every living creature. It would forcefully change everyone without consent.

And as hard as it was from there I also remembered what EDI and the Geth had said, that there would be no more compromise with the Reapers, that they would risk non functionality to end the Reapers. They walked into this battle ready to die for what was right, as did every other soldier in the entire fleet.

Did that make it easy? No, but as far as i saw it it was the only way. Control was a no go from the start, TIM had showed me what came of that, Synthesis was an abomination I would not force on others. All I could do was take comfort in the fact that they were ready to die to end this, that they had actually made that choice.

And that's what people like Xellith forget.

" I won't murder the geth and EDI"

" Actually, they went into the battle knowing full well they would die. "

" No, you murdered them. "

" They made their choices. You should respect their wishes for organics and synthetics to reach their own goals without interference from the Reapers."

" Whatever, you're deluded, sociopathic monsters."

These bleeding hearts crying about EDI and the Geth drive me nuts.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 08 octobre 2012 - 09:18 .

[FifthBeatle]

masster blaster wrote...

Okay let's get back IT. So about Shepard being on the Citadel I think he can't because i remember Blurr said that " In the original script Shepard was suppose to be in rubble, and have a re-bar in/her leg." Just like the breath scene. I say we can count that as evidence that Shepard is on Earth.

I completely agree that Shepard is on Earth (mainly because s/he never left Earth), but I think you/we are walkng a slippery slope when you/we start using items in the leaked script as evidence. If they really wanted what was in that script to be in the game they would have put it there (and maybe they will when they reveal IT). 

Just my opinion on the matter, of course. 

[masster blaster]

Bill Casey wrote...

There are people who think the star child dies in synthesis...

/////??????????????

[masster blaster]

FifthBeatle wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay let's get back IT. So about Shepard being on the Citadel I think he can't because i remember Blurr said that " In the original script Shepard was suppose to be in rubble, and have a re-bar in/her leg." Just like the breath scene. I say we can count that as evidence that Shepard is on Earth.

I completely agree that Shepard is on Earth (mainly because s/he never left Earth), but I think you/we are walkng a slippery slope when you/we start using items in the leaked script as evidence. If they really wanted what was in that script to be in the game they would have put it there (and maybe they will when they reveal IT). 

Just my opinion on the matter, of course. 

true, but the breath scene is in the old script, just it happence after Shepard wakes up.


well not reallt the Breath scene, but thte discruption of the scene, and what happend. all thtey had to do was have Shepard knocked out, and presto we have the breath scene.

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 octobre 2012 - 09:21 .