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[Rosewind]

401 Kill wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Hey Everybody!!! What have I missed when i been distracted by GW2 lol!!

If you haven't heard: New Multiplayer DLC tomorrow! Featuring Collectors! (I haven't seen you on in a while so I do not know if you know this)

Yeah TSA told me about the MP pack and the Omega DLC as well

[401 Kill]

This is a little off topic, but I simply must say this: Mass Effect 3 has the greatest soundtrack for a video game I have ever heard. Bravo. Possibly the best soundtrack for anything. The music that plays during the ending is sooooo awesome!

[DoomsdayDevice]

@Banshee: xD

Shep and Vega -are- talking about the Citadel there. Heavy, heavy foreshadowing. This was one of the things that really stood out on my 2nd playthrough.

inversevideo wrote...

Actually, I'm almost starting to believe that is the 'art' component to the end of ME3.

The audience, the gamers, succumb to indoctrination.

No kidding.

Job well done, Bioware.

They did it so well, in fact, that people rather believe in BAD RITING LOL than face the fact that they've been fooled.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 09 octobre 2012 - 01:13 .

[Bill Casey]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

Actually, I'm almost starting to believe that is the 'art' component to the end of ME3.

The audience, the gamers, succumb to indoctrination.

I agree. And that is definitely a quite impressive accomplishment.

It's honestly the best ending to a video game in history...

[DoomsdayDevice]

Bill Casey wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

Actually, I'm almost starting to believe that is the 'art' component to the end of ME3.

The audience, the gamers, succumb to indoctrination.

I agree. And that is definitely a quite impressive accomplishment.

It's honestly the best ending to a video game in history...

This is what I've been saying ever since I played the ending and realized what it was about.

People won't even take you seriously when you tell them.

[AresKeith]

Bill Casey wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

Actually, I'm almost starting to believe that is the 'art' component to the end of ME3.

The audience, the gamers, succumb to indoctrination.

I agree. And that is definitely a quite impressive accomplishment.

It's honestly the best ending to a video game in history...

Wouldn't all the "pro-enders" be pissed? lol

[BansheeOwnage]

401 Kill wrote...

This is a little off topic, but I simply must say this: Mass Effect 3 has the greatest soundtrack for a video game I have ever heard. Bravo. Possibly the best soundtrack for anything. The music that plays during the ending is sooooo awesome!

The ME3 soundtrack is great! I often listen to ME tracks while playing MP through my xbox. The soundtrack is also extremely important to the feeling of the story. Although "An end once and for all" is a great track, it doesn't exactly make you feel like you've won anything. Quite the opposite. The lack of music in London is also a big pointer. Epic endrun - no music? No.

Also, if you're bored, check out the Halo 3 soundtrack. It's really well made aswell.

[spotlessvoid]

[CmdrShep80]

401 Kill wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Pascal219 wrote...

twitter.com/GambleMike/status/254665092518526976


someone asked when can they go back and play the me3 ending

That's... actually a really interesting/odd response to that question... I'm confused.

Hmmm... I think that was about when that person should return to ME3 because of the depressing ending, unless I misunderstood something.

what if no one asked and he's just stating something.  I've done this at work before to avoid certain circumstances I would say: A few people asked me and wanted to know when they could go back to be able to play the me3 ending.

if you notice when just now wrote this it looks like several people asked me and I was passing it along when in reality no one did. Don't forget BioWare seems to love double meanings or there would be no IT

[Bill Casey]

AresKeith wrote...

Wouldn't all the "pro-enders" be pissed? lol

"Pro-Enders" are typically fine with whatever they are given...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 09 octobre 2012 - 01:17 .

[Arashi08]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

Way-way-way-way-wait! Are people seriously acting this way about a decision made in a VIDEO GAME? Really? I mean they actually treated someone like a pariah in an MP game just because he believed in IT!? and all this talk about how "bad" and "immoral" people who picked destroy are, even though in actual reality NOBODY was killed?

...

Do I need to bring out my riddle again?

It's the larger principle that matters. Being a video game is irrelevant. It's unnerving that these people would pick these decisions in real life. I don't want to be "Synthesized".

I see what you mean, but I think the fact that it is a video game is at least partially relevant.  The decisions we make in video games are not necessarily the decisions we make in real life.  It is like that whole Jack Thompson argument that violent video games make people violent.  yet one third of the US population isn't shooting up malls or ramming people on sidewalks with their cars. (I use the US as an example since I can only speak for my country of origin.)


It is easier to make decisions like the ones made in ME3 because there are no actual real-world consequences.  They can justify it all they want with whatever logic and philosophy they choose to utilize.  but I bet if the people who played the game had to somehow make a similar choice in real life, I bet a significantly lower amount of people would make the same choice, or at the very least it would be 100 times harder to make such a decision.

That's my thought on it at any rate.

I get your point, and I agree that video games don't cause violence, but I guess what I mean is when they argue something so pationately, it's worrying. People probably don't commit violence because of video games because the enemies are bad, or because they know it isn't serious. But synthesis is morally horrible, and that's where this is coming from.

Ya, I can see how it can be worrying, and I agree, as it does seem to mirror alot of other opinions that have had real-world consequences, and it seems just as narrow-minded as those too.  I made a rather long post yesterday about why I think Synthesis is horrible too so I'm not going to repeat it here, but at the same time I also try to see things from their perspective as well, which is something that alot of people fail to do. 

I won't deny that when I look at some of these posts I immediately wonder how in the world anyone could think that way, but I have to step back and remember that they don't think like me, and I try to see why they look at it from this perspective, and I think I've developed a theory so far:
I think the desore to pick Synthesis, and maybe even Control for that matter, stems from a kind of Messiah complex, coupled with the desire to not have to kill your friends.  I think when people play these games, they want to be the hero, and for some, sacrificing "E-E-E-EDI and the Geth," (I'm sorry i couldn't resist the reference, everytime I string EDI and the Geth together like that it makes me think of the song for some reason lol) doesn't seem like the heroic thing to do.  After all we are pretty much socially trained to associate death with badness, especially since death is one of humanity's greatest fears (and desires.)  I have a friend who picked control because he didn't want to kill synthetics because he was friends with Legion and EDI, and he didn't want to betray his friends.  As we debated it via email for a few days he basically admitted that ultimately that was his definitive reason for choosing synthesis at first and then control.  In the end he wanted to do what he thought was right, not because synthesis and control were necessarily the most logical choice for him, but because it meant he could sacrifice of himself rather than sacrificing others, especially his friends.

But as far as I'm concerned, if the endings are literal, all of them require sacrifice, and not just of Shepard.

Naturally I don't see it that way, I think it is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees (though preferrably I'd rather live on my feet than lie on my knees.)  I think it is more abhorrent to impose your will upon others than to kill another.  Not that I condone killing, but there are things far worse than death.  Im my belief system there is only one true "sin"  and that is to willingly become an obstacle or controlling force that knowingly prevents others frim fulfilling their soul's purpose.  Bending someone to your will in such a way is a far worse crime imo, because you;ve taken it upon yourself to attempt to see yourself as a superior being who has the right to impose their moral views on others.  It is much like Smiling Mountain says:

"Suddenly YOU are the oppressor, when all you wanted to do was set things right."

Of course, chooseing Destroy, especially from an IT standpoint is kind of similar in it's approach.  ITers want to solve the puzzle, to find the hidden meaning that no one else sees.  to have their views vindicated.  Still, I think alot more critical thinking goes on here than in some of these other threads.  And as long as it is done civily we can have a friendly debate about our evidence and whether it actually holds up.

Of course, This is all just my opinion, and long story short, I agree with you.   I just try to look at things from an objective standpoint if I can, which is clearly NOT what alot of people are doing when they get so up in arms over this to the point where ITers become pariahs and heathens or something.

[BansheeOwnage]

AresKeith wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

Actually, I'm almost starting to believe that is the 'art' component to the end of ME3.

The audience, the gamers, succumb to indoctrination.

I agree. And that is definitely a quite impressive accomplishment.

It's honestly the best ending to a video game in history...

Wouldn't all the "pro-enders" be pissed? lol

Yeah, but who cares?

Personal opinions aside, the pro-enders are an extreme minority. Plus, who know? Maybe they'd like the IT end?

[BleedingUranium]

401 Kill wrote...

This is a little off topic, but I simply must say this: Mass Effect 3 has the greatest soundtrack for a video game I have ever heard. Bravo. Possibly the best soundtrack for anything. The music that plays during the ending is sooooo awesome!

It is very good! The only other soundtrack that I think is on the same level of awesomeness is Halo 3's. A lot of the time I'm playing MP I'm listening to my Mass Effect playlist though my Xbox

[401 Kill]

"Just jump into this here beam and watch all of yer problems disappear."  This picture is amazing!

spotlessvoid wrote...

[AresKeith]

But here is something just about eveyone in the forums can agree on, Bioware needs to do something about the Earth mission

[Rosewind]

spotlessvoid wrote...

YAY!! *Chases*

But yes apart from the Omega DLC and the MP stuff I have no idea whats going on scince leviathan.

[DoomsdayDevice]

My favourite track is 'Leaving Earth'... It was stuck in my head for three days after finishing the game. So epic. It's like the music took on a new level of awesome after realizing the ending was indoc.

[AresKeith]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Yeah, but who cares?

Personal opinions aside, the pro-enders are an extreme minority. Plus, who know? Maybe they'd like the IT end?

I'd take any ending that isn't an A,B,C type ending

[401 Kill]

AresKeith wrote...

But here is something just about eveyone in the forums can agree on, Bioware needs to do something about the Earth mission

Oh I believe they have done enough. It just screams out that things are not what they seem. It functions as intended.

[CmdrShep80]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Wow...hatred for IT has eached a new high...at least for me.

Just had a multiplayer match with three othe guys who knew each other. We had some good matfhes and fun time talking.
Then i said how i could not wait for omega and the changes..options it might bring to the ending.
I was then asked if i was "one of these nutjobs believing in IT" . I answered accordingly..and all communication with me stopped...they didn't warn me about enemies...did not respond when i tried to talk etc. Then before the next match i got booted out. See..i'm not crying over it, but this is flat out discrimination.

how sad...guess you should take your case up with the Citadel Council...oh wait they don't listen to these crazy stories...a better idea is to round up a squad of ITers and go kick some Reaper --- and let them all continue to deny it. At least you'll have saved the galaxy for us IT folks

[DoomsdayDevice]

Arg, need my fix. Gonna play some MP real quick. xD

[spotlessvoid]

Bill Casey wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Wouldn't all the "pro-enders" be pissed? lol

"Pro-Enders" are typically fine with whatever they are given...

What was that you said recently? Something like

"Rawr. No want think. Brain hurt. Put in game"

[BansheeOwnage]

Arashi08 wrote...

*snip*
[/i]Of course, This is all just my opinion, and long story short, I agree with you.   I just try to look at things from an objective standpoint if I can, which is clearly NOT what alot of people are doing when they get so up in arms over this to the point where ITers become pariahs and heathens or something.

Being objective is important. From what I gather, we try to be objective in this thread. Objectively, I would say that many literalists are not being objective.

[AresKeith]

401 Kill wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

But here is something just about eveyone in the forums can agree on, Bioware needs to do something about the Earth mission

Oh I believe they have done enough. It just screams out that things are not what they seem. It functions as intended.

But for it to be "final mission" its so lack luster and stupid, its just as bad as the Intro when everyone goes full retard

[ZerebusPrime]

Honestly, the layers of foreshadowing in this game are numerous and profound. I have a hard time understanding people who choose to ignore them. Especially the ones who put their fingers in their ears (literally or figuratively) and then call the messenger a crackpot.