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Restrider wrote...

I think the Volus in MP gives Hellish's simulator theory more credit.


I think it gives more credit to literalist's "BW is on LSD" theory.

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Ithurael wrote...


WHAT! So what happens when Harbinger posesses something?

They market the Trailer with Harbinger, add in collectors, and DON'T put in the talking part? Bioware srsly!

The Bioware-clan confuses me...

We were already told Harbinger won't be appearing in multiplayer.
What that suggests to me is that Harbinger will be a part of Omega...


Does it matter though? We may get a 'moment' with harbinger at Omega - big if. Priority Earth is still the same. The main antagonist of ME3 is still the same (TIM/Starbrat).

I guess we need to take what we can get...:(

I would have loved to hear Harbinger in multiplayer though - that would be awesome!

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Home run MF wrote...

byne wrote...

So, I kind of hate the volus.


Why? I admit I couldn't stop laughing. 

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!

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Possession still takes place in MP guys. It's just the lack of Harbinger's voice-over denoting it happening. Harby can possess Collector troops and captains, Abominations, and Scions. They all gain a bonus power and boosted defences

I think the DLC description (as posted by TSA above) means we will definitely learn what a "Black Ark" is in Omega. Although the name is quite symbolic.

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BioWare decided to lower the camera viewpoint as I predicted. Makes playing volus even more hilarious.

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Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

So, I kind of hate the volus.


QFT.  I honestly lost a lot of hope for IT when they did this.  It clearly shows BW has stopped giving half a **** about their own lore.  If they're pissing all over lore in MP, why not SP too?


No offense, but just because the species is not adept at combat dosent mean there could not be individuals among them capable of combat, possibly even excelling at it, especially if that Combat is focused around powers and not the gun they are carrying. There is no logical reason a Volus could not be as adept at Biotics as a Asari Commando or as skilled with tech as a Quarian Engineer, it is all a matter of training.

Encapsulate a Volus in the latest of Armor and Shields, train him to use a Gun and Tech and he can and will be an asset on the battlefield.

I know people bring up the problem with suit rupture alot, but Quarians face a similar problem where a suit rupture could give them a deadly infection and put them out of combat. Sure not as fast or lethal as with a Volus, but the Quarians have no problem leaping into the fray despite this problem.

Is there a certain amount of stupidity to be found in this, yes, but in a war such as this one you have to take what is handed to you and if a Volus has the training necesary and the skill he is still better suited on the frontline than twidling his thumbs.

There may not be a lot of Volus like that, but we arent exactly playing standard soldiers either.

Sorry, but just tired of people complaining on Volus. Is it stupid? On a certain level yes. Do Volus usualy dont do this? Yes. But that dosent mean every single one of them is a complete pansy in a firefight.

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"Lost shields" that note of despair in his voice. LOL.

Modifié par paxxton, 09 octobre 2012 - 03:41 .


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paxxton wrote...

BioWare decided to lower the camera viewpoint as I predicted. Makes playing volus even more hilarious awesome.


Fixed for you
:wizard::wizard:

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That volus is in desperate need of congestion drugs.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

So, I kind of hate the volus.


QFT.  I honestly lost a lot of hope for IT when they did this.  It clearly shows BW has stopped giving half a **** about their own lore.  If they're pissing all over lore in MP, why not SP too?


No offense, but just because the species is not adept at combat dosent mean there could not be individuals among them capable of combat, possibly even excelling at it, especially if that Combat is focused around powers and not the gun they are carrying. There is no logical reason a Volus could not be as adept at Biotics as a Asari Commando or as skilled with tech as a Quarian Engineer, it is all a matter of training.

Encapsulate a Volus in the latest of Armor and Shields, train him to use a Gun and Tech and he can and will be an asset on the battlefield.

I know people bring up the problem with suit rupture alot, but Quarians face a similar problem where a suit rupture could give them a deadly infection and put them out of combat. Sure not as fast or lethal as with a Volus, but the Quarians have no problem leaping into the fray despite this problem.

Is there a certain amount of stupidity to be found in this, yes, but in a war such as this one you have to take what is handed to you and if a Volus has the training necesary and the skill he is still better suited on the frontline than twidling his thumbs.

There may not be a lot of Volus like that, but we arent exactly playing standard soldiers either.

Sorry, but just tired of people complaining on Volus. Is it stupid? On a certain level yes. Do Volus usualy dont do this? Yes. But that dosent mean every single one of them is a complete pansy in a firefight.


Learn your lore.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

So, I kind of hate the volus.


QFT.  I honestly lost a lot of hope for IT when they did this.  It clearly shows BW has stopped giving half a **** about their own lore.  If they're pissing all over lore in MP, why not SP too?


No offense, but just because the species is not adept at combat dosent mean there could not be individuals among them capable of combat, possibly even excelling at it, especially if that Combat is focused around powers and not the gun they are carrying. There is no logical reason a Volus could not be as adept at Biotics as a Asari Commando or as skilled with tech as a Quarian Engineer, it is all a matter of training.

Encapsulate a Volus in the latest of Armor and Shields, train him to use a Gun and Tech and he can and will be an asset on the battlefield.

I know people bring up the problem with suit rupture alot, but Quarians face a similar problem where a suit rupture could give them a deadly infection and put them out of combat. Sure not as fast or lethal as with a Volus, but the Quarians have no problem leaping into the fray despite this problem.

Is there a certain amount of stupidity to be found in this, yes, but in a war such as this one you have to take what is handed to you and if a Volus has the training necesary and the skill he is still better suited on the frontline than twidling his thumbs.

There may not be a lot of Volus like that, but we arent exactly playing standard soldiers either.

Sorry, but just tired of people complaining on Volus. Is it stupid? On a certain level yes. Do Volus usualy dont do this? Yes. But that dosent mean every single one of them is a complete pansy in a firefight.

I agree somewhat. The only real fact that bothers me is that they're not blowing up when they get their suit ruptured enough to fall in combat. The fact that they get up after fall when they finish a wave is practically proof that MP is a VR sim. I could dismiss it before as merely a result of forcing playable game mechanics, but this takes the cake.

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paxxton wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

byne wrote...

So, I kind of hate the volus.


Why? I admit I couldn't stop laughing. 

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!

I struggle to believe that bioware isn't elaborately trolling :lol:

#32213
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TSA_383 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

byne wrote...

So, I kind of hate the volus.


Why? I admit I couldn't stop laughing. 

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!

I struggle to believe that bioware isn't elaborately trolling :lol:

People wanted the Volus, even if just for the lolz. I can't see why this should be bad? Imo it's great.

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TSA_383 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

byne wrote...

So, I kind of hate the volus.


Why? I admit I couldn't stop laughing. 

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!

I struggle to believe that bioware isn't elaborately trolling :lol:


He even stands on an ammo crate on the customization screen

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Ithurael wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

byne wrote...

So, I kind of hate the volus.


Why? I admit I couldn't stop laughing. 


Wow!

That...was...AWESOME!!


I have to admit. I was a doubter. But they're more funny/awesome than I thought they would be, just like the Vorcha.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

So, I kind of hate the volus.


QFT.  I honestly lost a lot of hope for IT when they did this.  It clearly shows BW has stopped giving half a **** about their own lore.  If they're pissing all over lore in MP, why not SP too?


No offense, but just because the species is not adept at combat dosent mean there could not be individuals among them capable of combat, possibly even excelling at it, especially if that Combat is focused around powers and not the gun they are carrying. There is no logical reason a Volus could not be as adept at Biotics as a Asari Commando or as skilled with tech as a Quarian Engineer, it is all a matter of training.

Encapsulate a Volus in the latest of Armor and Shields, train him to use a Gun and Tech and he can and will be an asset on the battlefield.

I know people bring up the problem with suit rupture alot, but Quarians face a similar problem where a suit rupture could give them a deadly infection and put them out of combat. Sure not as fast or lethal as with a Volus, but the Quarians have no problem leaping into the fray despite this problem.

Is there a certain amount of stupidity to be found in this, yes, but in a war such as this one you have to take what is handed to you and if a Volus has the training necesary and the skill he is still better suited on the frontline than twidling his thumbs.

There may not be a lot of Volus like that, but we arent exactly playing standard soldiers either.

Sorry, but just tired of people complaining on Volus. Is it stupid? On a certain level yes. Do Volus usualy dont do this? Yes. But that dosent mean every single one of them is a complete pansy in a firefight.

I completely agree with you. But you must admit a volus in MP looks funny.

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Home run MF wrote...

Why? I admit I couldn't stop laughing. 


Ha.  As soon as he engages in combat, he takes a few shots and weeble wobbles on down the ramp. 

Also, that map hazard makes it looks like the area is being attacked by a sepia storm.

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LazyTechGuy wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Why? I admit I couldn't stop laughing. 


Ha.  As soon as he engages in combat, he takes a few shots and weeble wobbles on down the ramp. 

Also, that map hazard makes it looks like the area is being attacked by a sepia storm.


That's pretty accurate in what a sandstorm looks like.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Why? I admit I couldn't stop laughing. 


Ha.  As soon as he engages in combat, he takes a few shots and weeble wobbles on down the ramp. 

Also, that map hazard makes it looks like the area is being attacked by a sepia storm.


That's pretty accurate in what a sandstorm looks like.


I just fought on that map with that hazard. Was hard as hell to see anything. Turn a corner and it seems clear, but suddenly scions and a praetorian

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Why do abominations explode sound like a Reaper firing?

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Restrider wrote...

As I already mentioned earlier, I wanted to create some kind of IT FAQ. Since I do not really know what the frequently asked questions might be, I skipped that idea and tried to make a list of the ten most important concepts of IT. As you can see I highlighted the general concept and backed it up with additional information. I will try to include links to important posts further backing up the concepts (please post it/pm me if you have links to share). I am still not sure what the last two concepts could be to add to the in-game list. Please post your opinions.
Here is the post with all the polls!

---The Ten Most Important Reasons Of The INDOCTRINATION THEORY---


   I) Indoctrination in general :
  • Regarding IT, Shepard is in the process of indoctrination and the outcome is decided by the final decision taken.
  • The concept of indoctrination is a crucial part throughout the trilogy and nothing new to the player (link 1and 2).
  • Rana Thanoptis is an example of how subtle and slow indoctrination can be.
  • Shepard knocked out for two days by a Reaper artifact that indoctrinated an entire facility.
  • Logs on the derelict Reaper illustrate the reactions of victims of indoctrination.
  • Paul Grayson's indoctrination show its effects on someone's mind.
  • Harbinger's smacktalk (link 1 and 2).

List of in-game reasons:

 1) The Breath Scene :
   - London rubble
   - Mako in the background
   - Citadel explosion (link 1 and 2)

 2) The Kid :
   - teleportation in Vancouver
   - opens a door that is marked as locked
   - survives blast
   - not seen by anyone else
   - warning symbols

 3) The Dreams :
   - dream sequences and post-beam sequence share the same game mechanics
   - reality-nonreality transition after beam shot (post-beam, dreams, Geth Consensus)
   - oily shadows and whispering
   - nightmares are mentioned in the Arrival by subjects being indoctrinated
   - Chambers and Asari having PTSD as comparison between PTSD & Shepard's dreams 

 4) The Citadel :
   - resembling events of the past
   - Coats dead on the Citadel

 5) Anderson & TIM :
   - how did Anderson follow Shepard?
   - how can Anderson reach the control first?
   - why did no one else follow Anderson?
   - from where did TIM shows up?
   - Anderson addressing Shepard ("They are controlling you!")
   - Shepard being dominated by TIM and thus through him by the Reapers
   - Anderson's wound (link 1 and 2)
   - Reaper horn played in the background (at 1/2 speed)

 6) Leviathan :
   - Harbinger/the Reapers perfected enthrallment to indoctrination
   - enthrallment uses memories of its victim
   - similarities between Leviathan end and decision chamber
   - zap sound as a sign to enter/leave virtual reality (link 1 and 2)
   - note the file name of the sixth murder that can be found in Bryson's lab

 7) The Choices :
   - Shepard on his knees happened only during/after some mind control
   - the Guardian is aligned to the Reapers
   - Control and Synthesis being supported by indoctrinated characters
   - a swap in the colours (TIM = ParagonAnderson = Renegade)
   - huskification during Control/Synthesis vs. Shepard gaining strength while shooting the tubes
   - Guardian losing it when you refuse ("SO BE IT!")
   - decision chamber looks like a dialogue wheel from an aerial view
   - decision chamber resembling beam
   - ambiguous end dialogue (Control/Synthesis)
   - slide shows in Control/Synthesis/Destroy illustrate future possibilities, not facts that already happened
   - soldiers in Destroy fighting fiercely while in Control/Synthesis they are losing (on a side note: no cheering in Synthesis)

 8) The Beam Run :
   - Harbinger pin-pointing everyone and everything but Shepard
   - Harbinger not destroying the Normandy
   - Shepard surviving the blast that one-shots Makos and Gunships
   - Harbinger leaving

 9) The Guardian :
   - has the same shape as the kid (extraction of Shepard's memories)
   - speaks with femshep's and broshep's voice
   - Harbinger's line in the MP trailer (link 1 and 2)




[*]ignore this, its just as backup

#32222
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Well if volus are going to be in mp, then they better get my elcor tanks. And Hanar too. I can have 4 to five pistols in my hands doing damage.

Oh and " Black arc."

Archangel. I guess someone on Omega is doing what Garrus did, but this time it's Cerberus. I wonder if it's a person, or an object.

Also is there anything in the Retaliation dlc?

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They would add Volus too

/facepalm

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So, the Firebase Reactor hazard mode adds a button you can press.

This button closes the reactor doors and kills anything inside.

At least I assume it kills enemies too, I only ever saw it kill teammates.

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Black arks are the collector ships. That's how they are called