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[Whiysper]

paxxton wrote...

Firstly, how in the world could so many advanced civilizations inhabit a space station of an unknown origin and don't feel the need to explore all the corners so that they know where they live. An enormous oversight makes that Anderson's quote even more suspicious. And don't give me reasons like "because the Citadel is so big" cause those civilizations aren't cavemen. They travel throughout the Galaxy but can't just take a walk to the basement of their own home?

Oh, I do agree. But we also know that there are places on/in the Citadel that people don't know about - remember Mouse, from Thane's loyalty mission? those ducts etc. go on forever. There could be a hint at what the Reapers actually do with the citadel there. That idea that the missing kids/people are turned into Keepers, for example. I'm firmly in the 'never got to the Citadel' camp regarding the endings, but I do also think that there's a secret left for the Citadel to reveal - what better time than after you've spoken to a Reaper, and been given some idea what to look for?

However, I'm also preparing my 'not getting my soul crushed again' expectation that it's going to be a corridor where we meet someone useless, or similar amount of lame . I still love ME3, but it's a very fragile affection - I'm not 100% convinced that the IT is going to pan out to be true, and still have that gnawing, haunting fear that they really did just screw the pooch.

Hope that makes sense, I do tend to ramble slightly

[Dwailing]

Whiysper wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Firstly, how in the world could so many advanced civilizations inhabit a space station of an unknown origin and don't feel the need to explore all the corners so that they know where they live. An enormous oversight makes that Anderson's quote even more suspicious. And don't give me reasons like "because the Citadel is so big" cause those civilizations aren't cavemen. They travel throughout the Galaxy but can't just take a walk to the basement of their own home?

Oh, I do agree. But we also know that there are places on/in the Citadel that people don't know about - remember Mouse, from Thane's loyalty mission? those ducts etc. go on forever. There could be a hint at what the Reapers actually do with the citadel there. That idea that the missing kids/people are turned into Keepers, for example. I'm firmly in the 'never got to the Citadel' camp regarding the endings, but I do also think that there's a secret left for the Citadel to reveal - what better time than after you've spoken to a Reaper, and been given some idea what to look for?

However, I'm also preparing my 'not getting my soul crushed again' expectation that it's going to be a corridor where we meet someone useless, or similar amount of lame . I still love ME3, but it's a very fragile affection - I'm not 100% convinced that the IT is going to pan out to be true, and still have that gnawing, haunting fear that they really did just screw the pooch.

Hope that makes sense, I do tend to ramble slightly

Trust me, it makes perfect sense.  At this point, the Leviathan DLC looks promising, but I'm not going to make any early predictions about its quality.

[EpyonX3]

Dwailing wrote...

Hey, anyone watch the footage of the Leviathan demo from the EA Summer Showcase? If any of you missed it, I'll post a link to the footage. Also, Gamble has confirmed that there are going to be changes to the dialogue with the Catalyst. That should be interesting.

I missed it. Can you provide a link?

Many thanks!

[Andromidius]

paxxton wrote...
As for the Reapers' tactics. If IT is true you agree that the Reapers' methods of waging war are ingenious. They use both brute force and subtle prodding.

Only their use of indoctrination is ingenious.  Their actual warfare tactics tend to be...

Well.  Mass assault, stomping around on the ground shooting at tiny targets, not chasing down fleets, only sending single Destroyers to important warzones while having Capital Ships act as ground troops on various worlds, ignoring targets of oppertunity seemingly at random...

And most importantly, not capturing the Citadel right off the bat.  Despite this being their primary strategy which has worked thousands of times before.  The fact they are suffering the worst causualties ever (we assume, considering the Protheans were considered to have put up a good fight and failed to kill any Reapers...) and have organised resistance all over the Galaxy just goes to show how bad this new plan of theirs is.  And yet they don't adjust.

You'd think billion year old machines who've had a lot of experience with this sort of thing would be more competant.

[Dwailing]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Hey, anyone watch the footage of the Leviathan demo from the EA Summer Showcase? If any of you missed it, I'll post a link to the footage. Also, Gamble has confirmed that there are going to be changes to the dialogue with the Catalyst. That should be interesting.

I missed it. Can you provide a link?

Many thanks!

Here you go: http://www.gamespot....ffect3Leviathan

[MegumiAzusa]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Hey, anyone watch the footage of the Leviathan demo from the EA Summer Showcase? If any of you missed it, I'll post a link to the footage. Also, Gamble has confirmed that there are going to be changes to the dialogue with the Catalyst. That should be interesting.

I missed it. Can you provide a link?

Many thanks!

http://www.ea.com/1/summer-showcase

[DoomsdayDevice]

Dwailing wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Guys, does anyone have the link for me of Jessica Merizan saying that the EC does not confirm or deny IT?

Well, this is the first thing that came to mind: http://forum.worldof...N-DANIELA-HEINE  Look a little less than halfway down.

Thanks dude! I was actually looking for the Twitter quote though. But I guess this will work too. =)

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 03 août 2012 - 03:20 .

[Dam0299]

Andromidius wrote...

paxxton wrote...
As for the Reapers' tactics. If IT is true you agree that the Reapers' methods of waging war are ingenious. They use both brute force and subtle prodding.

Only their use of indoctrination is ingenious.  Their actual warfare tactics tend to be...

Well.  Mass assault, stomping around on the ground shooting at tiny targets, not chasing down fleets, only sending single Destroyers to important warzones while having Capital Ships act as ground troops on various worlds, ignoring targets of oppertunity seemingly at random...

And most importantly, not capturing the Citadel right off the bat.  Despite this being their primary strategy which has worked thousands of times before.  The fact they are suffering the worst causualties ever (we assume, considering the Protheans were considered to have put up a good fight and failed to kill any Reapers...) and have organised resistance all over the Galaxy just goes to show how bad this new plan of theirs is.  And yet they don't adjust.

You'd think billion year old machines who've had a lot of experience with this sort of thing would be more competant.

The reapers have successfully wiped out countless species before using the same methods. If you had a tactic that has worked 100% of the time for nearly a billion years would you suddenly change it?.

[Andromidius]

Dam0299 wrote...

It has worked for the countless times in the past. And It does seem that they are winning the war against everyone else. Hell even Palavan with the turians massive fleets and even the Krogan soldiers combined couldnt save the planet. I suppose the reapers arnt messing with a tactic that has worked so well before.

Dam0299 wrote...
The reapers have successfully wiped out
countless species before using the same methods. If you had a tactic
that has worked 100% of the time for nearly a billion years would you
suddenly change it?.

Incorrect.  Every other time they capture the Citadel first, and then concentrate forces to crush any opposition piecemeal.

They didn't do that this time.  And they are paying the price.

They had an amazing tactic, and now they've thrown it away for a terrible one.  For no reason at all, other then 'oh, Sovereign failed'.  And then they prove they could have taken it all along right at the end.

The stupidity of the Reapers is amazing to behold.

Modifié par Andromidius, 03 août 2012 - 03:25 .

[Dam0299]

Andromidius wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

It has worked for the countless times in the past. And It does seem that they are winning the war against everyone else. Hell even Palavan with the turians massive fleets and even the Krogan soldiers combined couldnt save the planet. I suppose the reapers arnt messing with a tactic that has worked so well before.

Incorrect.  Every other time they capture the Citadel first, and then concentrate forces to crush any opposition piecemeal.

They didn't do that this time.  And they are paying the price.

They had an amazing tactic, and now they've thrown it away for a terrible one.  For no reason at all, other then 'oh, Sovereign failed'.  And then they prove they could have taken it all along right at the end.

The stupidity of the Reapers is amazing to behold.

Prehaps the reapers allowed the current cycle to keep the citadel, to let them finish the crucible. A majority of the galaxies fleets coming straight to your position, you outnumber them and outgun them, and would make future harvesting of their worlds easier with a large portion of their fleets destroyed.  However I agree that the reapers own hubris and underestimation of us was their downfall. They belived since they have suceeded so many times in the past that we were no more a threat then the previous cycles.

Modifié par Dam0299, 03 août 2012 - 03:31 .

[smokingotter1]

Andromidius wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

It has worked for the countless times in the past. And It does seem that they are winning the war against everyone else. Hell even Palavan with the turians massive fleets and even the Krogan soldiers combined couldnt save the planet. I suppose the reapers arnt messing with a tactic that has worked so well before.

Dam0299 wrote...
The reapers have successfully wiped out
countless species before using the same methods. If you had a tactic
that has worked 100% of the time for nearly a billion years would you
suddenly change it?.

Incorrect.  Every other time they capture the Citadel first, and then concentrate forces to crush any opposition piecemeal.

They didn't do that this time.  And they are paying the price.

They had an amazing tactic, and now they've thrown it away for a terrible one.  For no reason at all, other then 'oh, Sovereign failed'.  And then they prove they could have taken it all along right at the end.

The stupidity of the Reapers is amazing to behold.

To avoid spoilers... what did a certain villian say to a certain costumed billionaire superhero in a certain one sided fight?

"Victory has defeated you"

[Fingertrip]

Leviathan won't be a big reveleation, just confirmed by Mike Gamble. Leviathan DLC will NOT change any of the endings, it will only give you more information about the Reapers.

Wait for future DLCs, no?

[Andromidius]

smokingotter1 wrote...

To avoid spoilers... what did a certain villian say to a certain costumed billionaire superhero in a certain one sided fight?

"Victory has defeated you"

Good movie.  But regardless.

The Reapers have always been very careful in the past.  Very patient.  They make sure they win before they've even started.

Suddenly dumbing this strategy in favour of brute force and shock tactics is bizzare.  Its character assassination, turning them from an interesting and terrifying foe that lurks in the shadows before slaughtering all who stand in their path to...  Well, little more then a technologically advanced barbarian horde with as much tactic subtly as a battering ram.  Which is even more bizzare when they've got the key to the castle!

Modifié par Andromidius, 03 août 2012 - 03:37 .

[Gwyphon]

Fingertrip wrote...

Leviathan won't be a big reveleation, just confirmed by Mike Gamble. Leviathan DLC will NOT change any of the endings, it will only give you more information about the Reapers.

Wait for future DLCs, no?

Ending is irrelevant. Information and understanding is what I want from a final game of the series (involving Shepard).

[Andromidius]

Fingertrip wrote...

Leviathan won't be a big reveleation, just confirmed by Mike Gamble. Leviathan DLC will NOT change any of the endings, it will only give you more information about the Reapers.

Wait for future DLCs, no?

They said the same for the EC.  And yet they changed the endings.

Bioware aren't especially honest when it comes to pre-launch statements.

[MaximizedAction]

Gwyphon wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Leviathan won't be a big reveleation, just confirmed by Mike Gamble. Leviathan DLC will NOT change any of the endings, it will only give you more information about the Reapers.

Wait for future DLCs, no?

Ending is irrelevant. Information and understanding is what I want from a final game of the series (involving Shepard).

Yes but the very nature of the ME3 ending is such that it has a revelation in it that tries to convince you that you just missunderstood the intentions of the very enemies that the Leviathan is supposed to be a weapon against.
It's content that one knows to be possibly negated...that is except if there will be a huge twist.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 03 août 2012 - 03:53 .

[EpyonX3]

Mark my words! Leviathan IS the reaper we see flying around while Shepard is talking to the Catalyst.

[CoolioThane]

Arian Dynas wrote...

To be honest, I probably have more realistic expectations than CoolioThane, I fully expect there to be arguments, but not too many, debates, but never too heated, hurt feelings, but never too long unmended, uncomfortable moments, but never too difficult to dispel, occasions where sex and experimentation both do not meet an ideal, and times that we shall simply need away from one another, though hopefully never too long.

As far as I am concerned, someone I can care about, but still argue with is my ideal.

Thats what I meant; nothing is ever argument-free, but as long as you respect then for having their own opinion is what is important

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Mark my words! Leviathan IS the reaper we see flying around while Shepard is talking to the Catalyst.

Your words have been marked.

[CoolioThane]

Fingertrip wrote...

Leviathan won't be a big reveleation, just confirmed by Mike Gamble. Leviathan DLC will NOT change any of the endings, it will only give you more information about the Reapers.

Wait for future DLCs, no?

Lol you're a bit ignorant aren't you

It can be a huge revelation without "changing" the ending though we know the ending is changed as there's more dialogue and stuff. You're wrong

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Mark my words! Leviathan IS the reaper we see flying around while Shepard is talking to the Catalyst.

Your words have been marked.

Thanks I don't know how to mark them myself

[DoomsdayDevice]

@starlitegirlx: Welcome!

I agree, ME3's mindblowing twist takes games to a whole new level.

Best thing was replaying the beginning of the game again after knowing the ending. The alliance ship flying, camera zooms out, it's the kid holding it! It's all an illusion!

Bioware, you magnificent bastards.

[CoolioThane]

Leviathan is coming out in summer