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[masster blaster]

Grunts.

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

On the topic of MP, what do you guys think of the new title background stuff? Any favorites?

I dont even have one yet. I've only gotten two awards. Both for using biotic powers.

I'm sure, knowing my favorite class, you can guess what two powers those are.

[Ithurael]

masster blaster wrote...

Badger I see your point, yet the others are right. FFZero came up with a good idea, but most of these people that play MP are spraging every where, and runnging up to Banshees on Gold as volus. I am sorry FFZero but Volus can be killed in almost on or two shot if you play on Platinum, and Gold.

But since Bioware gave the fans Volus for mp, then they better do two thing.

Elcor tanks, Hanar, and Specters for MP. Giving the fans what they want.

Last IT giving the fans what they want. Literalist have their ending, while we have ours. It's a win win.

I do actually like that idea. And I am pretty sure that if we do get an IT ending even the literalists will enjoy it (you assume that all literalists enjoy the ending - that is in no way true )

The only thing I see that could error out is that IT may go against the 'artistic vision' of the writer(s). They wanted to end ME3 the way it ended and - as of the feedback I have been seeing - have no plans to change or expand on it further.

I think bioware adds what it can to the game. Just like when EC came out, they fixed what they could in that atrocity of an ending while still working within the bounds of RGB/starkid/art.

IDK it would be nice but - for now - MP and mid-game SP DLC seems the only way bioware will listen to fan feedback.

[masster blaster]

Byne I got seven awards. Also what's with the galaxy under neath your N7 rank? The one with the number in it if you don't understand what I am saying.

[masster blaster]

Ith the Synthesis, and Controls disagree. They like the endings.

[masster blaster]

Okay I read a post in Synthesi thread, and a person said " Synthesis isn't the final evolution." Catalyst ( if taken literaly says) " Synthesis is the final evolution" As in nore more adapting we are Synthesis people's forever.

[ElSuperGecko]

masster blaster wrote...
Byne I got seven awards. Also what's with the galaxy under neath your N7 rank? The one with the number in it if you don't understand what I am saying.

That's how many times you've promoted a class.  The same symbol is displayed whenever you can promote on the class select screen.

[masster blaster]

( cut do to a greeting with another person)

"As for your question, the whole thing is confusing. At the bottom of the problem may be the comic book logic used by the lead writer. Sure, in common parlance "evolution" is understood in a similar way to "advancement", but even there the Catalyst's use of it is contradicted by the epilogue.

Synthesis cannot be the end of evolution. In the biological sense, life which is unable to self-change at will must continue to adapt or it will die out. In the cultural/technological sense, we see in the epilogue that Synthesis is not the end of things. Plainly, The fondness of the lead writer for his inevitabilities, finalities, perfections, eternities and infinities has all but ruined any serious discussion of the ending exposition. Strip the exposition of anything with the words "inevitable", "final" and "perfect" and we may start discussing things seriously. "Infinite" and "eternal" are nice catchwords for Control, but they, too, should not be taken literally. I *thought* all that goes without saying, but given how people are arguing I think I should point this out.

How does Synthesis affect primitive life forms? First, I'm not sure it was ever intended to come across that way. I suspect another artistic glitch, given that even in the EC, Garrus's armor shows circuit patterns. "All life" could've originally meant "intelligent organic and synthetic life". But now we are here, and I think the ending as it exists does indeed heavily imply that literally all life will be affected.

What exactly will happen to primitive civilizations is speculation, but I think the effect will be minor, since where there is no technology to integrate, there will be no technology integrated. Also, primitive life forms must continue to be able to adapt and evolve as usual without intervention, so I think there will be the interfaces for the integration of technology added but they'll remain unused until those life forms develop or find technology to integrate.

The big question mark lies in the statement "the civilizations preserved in their forms will be connected to all of us". Even before the EC, I have speculated that Synthesis adds the ability for mental communication to life forms above a certain level of intelligence. If that's true, the effects will be drastic for primitive civilizations, unless the activation of that ability depends on integration of certain technologies. It would of course have to be a switchable ability, since being forced into mental communication would drive people insane. There's no way to be sure about those details, but I'd welcome further speculation on the subjec"

[masster blaster]

Thanks ElSup, and have to go now. class about to start see ya.

[KyreneZA]

masster blaster wrote...

Byne I got seven awards. Also what's with the galaxy under neath your N7 rank? The one with the number in it if you don't understand what I am saying.

Modifié par Kyrene, 10 octobre 2012 - 01:38 .

[Restrider]

masster blaster wrote...

Byne I got seven awards. Also what's with the galaxy under neath your N7 rank? The one with the number in it if you don't understand what I am saying.

It's the number of promotions you have done with that class.

Modifié par Restrider, 10 octobre 2012 - 01:39 .

[OMGsideboob]

SwobyJ wrote...

OMGsideboob wrote...

Spent about 90 mins watching a "documentary" profiling this theory...

I would believe the IT, but they ignore Priority: Horizon and the message sent during the mission... Why would the Reapers attack Sanctuary if its what they wanted you to do all along? Wouldn't they allow you to see this happening and that its a good thing to convince you to do it? Or is that a big mind**** their "attack" only to throw you off and make you go towards it? Considering no actual Reaper ship is used and only disposable converted beings like Banshees, Brutes, etc. are used...

I think because Illusive Man is actually their enemy, and they just realized it. Horizon can be marked as the point when the Reapers realize that they don't actually hold sway over TIM, so they strike his projects.

IT has Illusive Man on the Citadel in the ending, as just a vision (depending on the versio of IT) or hallucination made by Shepard's mind, same with Anderson.

It also makes sense then, that TIM left Cronos Station. He knows Cerberus is now 100% compromised, because he only had temporary control over his part-huskified troops. Everything was to buy time for him to make his last and biggest plan come within reach.

And if Citadel-TIM isn't real.... we may be in for a doozy in some DLC, which may not explicitly state that Citadel-TIM is fake, but may at least elaborate his real plan enough that everything involving TIM makes more sense.

And the Reapers wouldn't want Shepard to think Control is truly possible. I think, if Shepard proves himself, that Synthesis is the biggest ideal for them to have him believe, just like with Saren. The best sleeper agents are the ones who think the Reapers are saviors, not tense frenemies.

In that case, doesnt that make IT kinda ****backwards? Starchild tells you it is possible in the end, but they dont want you figuring it out from Horizon??

IT did ask a major question I have been wondering since starting my first ME1 playthrough... If the Reapers can control a good-natured Asari Matriarch and turn her evil... How in the hell did Shepard manage to escape indoctrination when he has come into contact with Reaper tech on many occasions including standing in a room with a Reaper artifact that took control of Dr. Kenson who was another "top Alliance agent" said Hackett himself... and even spoke directly to both Harbinger and Sovereign...

[FifthBeatle]

OMGsideboob wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

OMGsideboob wrote...

Spent about 90 mins watching a "documentary" profiling this theory...

I would believe the IT, but they ignore Priority: Horizon and the message sent during the mission... Why would the Reapers attack Sanctuary if its what they wanted you to do all along? Wouldn't they allow you to see this happening and that its a good thing to convince you to do it? Or is that a big mind**** their "attack" only to throw you off and make you go towards it? Considering no actual Reaper ship is used and only disposable converted beings like Banshees, Brutes, etc. are used...

I think because Illusive Man is actually their enemy, and they just realized it. Horizon can be marked as the point when the Reapers realize that they don't actually hold sway over TIM, so they strike his projects.

IT has Illusive Man on the Citadel in the ending, as just a vision (depending on the versio of IT) or hallucination made by Shepard's mind, same with Anderson.

It also makes sense then, that TIM left Cronos Station. He knows Cerberus is now 100% compromised, because he only had temporary control over his part-huskified troops. Everything was to buy time for him to make his last and biggest plan come within reach.

And if Citadel-TIM isn't real.... we may be in for a doozy in some DLC, which may not explicitly state that Citadel-TIM is fake, but may at least elaborate his real plan enough that everything involving TIM makes more sense.

And the Reapers wouldn't want Shepard to think Control is truly possible. I think, if Shepard proves himself, that Synthesis is the biggest ideal for them to have him believe, just like with Saren. The best sleeper agents are the ones who think the Reapers are saviors, not tense frenemies.

In that case, doesnt that make IT kinda ****backwards? Starchild tells you it is possible in the end, but they dont want you figuring it out from Horizon??

IT did ask a major question I have been wondering since starting my first ME1 playthrough... If the Reapers can control a good-natured Asari Matriarch and turn her evil... How in the hell did Shepard manage to escape indoctrination when he has come into contact with Reaper tech on many occasions including standing in a room with a Reaper artifact that took control of Dr. Kenson who was another "top Alliance agent" said Hackett himself... and even spoke directly to both Harbinger and Sovereign...

As Liara said, "you are remarkably strong willed commander..."

[Restrider]

OMGsideboob wrote...

In that case, doesnt that make IT kinda ****backwards? Starchild tells you it is possible in the end, but they dont want you figuring it out from Horizon??

IT did ask a major question I have been wondering since starting my first ME1 playthrough... If the Reapers can control a good-natured Asari Matriarch and turn her evil... How in the hell did Shepard manage to escape indoctrination when he has come into contact with Reaper tech on many occasions including standing in a room with a Reaper artifact that took control of Dr. Kenson who was another "top Alliance agent" said Hackett himself... and even spoke directly to both Harbinger and Sovereign...

The whole relation between TIM/Cerberus and the Reapers remains unknown, yet (in an IT perspective).
If you look at it from a literalist point of view, it is also kind of flawed. Cerberus/TIM are sabotaging the efforts to build the Crucible. Yet, TIM would actually rely on the completion of the Crucible to be able to control the Reapers (at least that's what he tells you before he dies). Thus, supporting the galactic alliance in the war and completion of the Crucible and hijack the completed Crucible to control the Reapers would've been a reasonable plan.
If you think that Cerberus is another faction working for the Reapers, then why the whole episode on Horizon? Only to decept Shepard?

I hope the Omega DLC will clarify TIM's goals.
Edit: If someone can provide me with other speculations/reasons that fit into IT or maybe even literal POV, please elaborate it. This is really a "plothole" that still bothers me.

Modifié par Restrider, 10 octobre 2012 - 02:00 .

[Xilizhra]

If you look at it from a literalist point of view, it is also kind of flawed. Cerberus/TIM are sabotaging the efforts to build the Crucible. Yet, TIM would actually rely on the completion of the Crucible to be able to control the Reapers (at least that's what he tells you before he dies). Thus, supporting the galactic alliance in the war and completion of the Crucible and hijack the completed Crucible to control the Reapers would've been a reasonable plan.

TIM didn't seize on the idea of using the Crucible, oddly, until after he was already indoctrinated. And even then, it wasn't a "real" idea so much as just an excuse to justify to himself going to the Citadel and informing the Reapers about the Crucible. His original plan was to co-opt the control signal for husks, then extrapolate that to controlling the Reapers themselves.

[CmdrShep80]

@master. I have a suspicion that Miranda may be indoctrinated herself. Remember who she spent time with reconstructing Shepard. She also wanted to put the control chip in. Plus Ashely hates her and in 3 Ashley does say "I used to know him" referring to Shepard and has been distrustful of the whole thing of how Shepard came to be.

[Restrider]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

@master. I have a suspicion that Miranda may be indoctrinated herself. Remember who she spent time with reconstructing Shepard. She also wanted to put the control chip in. Plus Ashely hates her and in 3 Ashley does say "I used to know him" referring to Shepard and has been distrustful of the whole thing of how Shepard came to be.

Since when is Ashley an indoctrination detector? It's just that Ashley is somehow unfriendly or let's call it cautious/suspicous towards everyone (remember her concern to let aliens have access to the Normandy systems in ME 1) and this includes Shepard in ME 2 and 3.
Furthermore, if you are referring to Wilson - well, do we know he was indoctrinated? We know he was the traitor, but does that necessarily imply that he was indoctrinated?

Modifié par Restrider, 10 octobre 2012 - 02:37 .

[masster blaster]

Xil, then how was TIM going to control the Reapers. Oh the crucible, yet he was Indoctrinated. I will talk later class about to start.

[DoomsdayDevice]

leonia42 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Yeah, this feels like you're massively overreacting.

But I guess if this ruins Mass Effect for you, have at it.

Less time judging, more time learning your lore.

Codex entry says the volus provide auxiliary troops to the Hierarchy, how about that lore?

This!

Also, we can use all the help we can get in this war.

And it's only multiplayer.

The Volus classes are really fun. IMO they made them at least somewhat believable, being fragile, support classes and having shield boosters. I played with Banshee, Blur and Jade, and Banshee was playing a Volus Engineer on gold. I couldn't stop laughing.

Good times, good times.

[MaximizedAction]

Hm, did you guys already check out that "N7 HQ" page? The background really brings up some memories of the old X-Wing games. Made me wonder whether they are considering a game like that (or even a mode?).

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 10 octobre 2012 - 03:40 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Hm, did you guys already check out that "N7 HQ page"? The background really brings up some memories of the old X-Wing games. Made me wonder whether they are considering a game like that (or even a mode?).

I did. I was pretty annoyed by the fact it says I am missing 7 achievements when it's actually just one that I'm missing.

Same thing happens when I check my achievements from the main menu in game, a number of them are blacked out, even though I already got them. 

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 10 octobre 2012 - 03:22 .

[masster blaster]

Wait people still doubt TIM was not Indoctrinated until he implanted himself with Reaper tech.

He ordered his troops/ opratives to get Reaper tech implanted in them without asking them.

He talked about Controling/ saving the Reapers to help humanity over through the other races to become the most dominate race.

I will say more but not right now.

[Either.Ardrey]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

And my Commendation Pack contained...

An Eagle II. Yay?

Mine had an N7 Shotgun

Mine had a Valiant V. Seems to be the only luck I've been having the store. It took me all the way until last night to unlock the Fury from the previous DLC. And I'm still missing the Shadow Infiltrator.