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[Arashi08]

Restrider wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

@master. I have a suspicion that Miranda may be indoctrinated herself. Remember who she spent time with reconstructing Shepard. She also wanted to put the control chip in. Plus Ashely hates her and in 3 Ashley does say "I used to know him" referring to Shepard and has been distrustful of the whole thing of how Shepard came to be.

Since when is Ashley an indoctrination detector? It's just that Ashley is somehow unfriendly or let's call it cautious/suspicous towards everyone (remember her concern to let aliens have access to the Normandy systems in ME 1) and this includes Shepard in ME 2 and 3.
Furthermore, if you are referring to Wilson - well, do we know he was indoctrinated? We know he was the traitor, but does that necessarily imply that he was indoctrinated?

As I recall, Wilson was an agent of the Shadow Broker.

[Gwyphon]

SwobyJ wrote...

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He then uses the troops to send into NON-REAPER areas. While never seeing husks and Cerberus in the same spot, that can be seen as a gameplay mechanic, but imo it also has a story component. He knows they will be turned over time, but until then, they follow TIM just as Benezia follows Saren. That's also why he does research on Reaper artifacts - to learn how to twissssttt indoctrination towards his own side, even if he knows in the short term, this won't work.

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See I thought Cerberus and Reapers were never in the same place at once because they were under reaper control and their forces were being spread and used as efficiently as possible.
TIM and Cerberus' motives and actions during ME3 are very much marginalised and we can only guess at what they were doing with Omega, the Citadel, etc. I'm hoping that the fabled Omega DLC reveals more about Cerberus and their activities, maybe even as much as I want a bigger Harbinger cameo 

[Restrider]

Another reminder of the third poll.

[masster blaster]

I hate people saying TIM was always good. No he hasn't I don't care if people are giving him the overlook he is evil ever since Evolution.

After Jack looses his friends he has nothing left to live for, or keep his mind under his Control.

Jack argued that Saren's brother could not Control the Meta Turians, and he was right, and now we see TIM doing what Saren's brother did in Evolution, only he want's to Control the Reapers.

Also Cerberus goes way to far, and I don't mean the good way, but the horrible ways.

Look at Toombs, Admiral Kahoko, and his men. Hell in ME1 Cerberus put Colonist on the Dragon's teeth for experiment. They also trapped coloinst down in the mines, and they became husk.

Their are so many things I can say about Cerberus, but they always say " we have groups that act out side our sources." BS TIM knew about the archives, the Shadowbroker, and a lot of things he never told us about.

Also I don't think he was Indoctrinated in ME2, but was under the infulence of the Reapers.

Think about it. Read the articals about Cerberus, they target Military stations, politcal figuers, the galactic Economy, and more. They have been weakening the galaxy slowly, and unkowingly helping the Reapers, as Saren did, the Geth, and so many others.

Modifié par masster blaster, 10 octobre 2012 - 05:22 .

[masster blaster]

Okay I asked my English Teacher, and my history teacher about ME3, and the endings.

Well my history teacher play's mass effect, and he likes IT. My english teacher however doesn't play mass effect, yet he, and she agree that from what I told them, and showed them. Their is something not right about the endings, and they agree IT fit's the bill to solve the ending we got.

Modifié par masster blaster, 10 octobre 2012 - 05:43 .

[TheConstantOne]

masster blaster wrote...

I hate people saying TIM was always good. No he hasn't I don't care if people are giving him the overlook he is evil ever since Evolution.

After Jack looses his friends he has nothing left to live for, or keep his mind under his Control.

Jack argued that Saren's brother could not Control the Meta Turians, and he was right, and now we see TIM doing what Saren's brother did in Evolution, only he want's to Control the Reapers.

Also Cerberus goes way to far, and I don't mean the good way, but the horrible ways.

Look at Toombs, Admiral Kahoko, and his men. Hell in ME1 Cerberus put Colonist on the Dragon's teeth for experiment. They also trapped coloinst down in the mines, and they became husk.

Their are so many things I can say about Cerberus, but they always say " we have groups that act out side our sources." BS TIM knew about the archives, the Shadowbroker, and a lot of things he never told us about.

Also I don't think he was Indoctrinated in ME2, but was under the infulence of the Reapers.

Think about it. Read the articals about Cerberus, they target Military stations, politcal figuers, the galactic Economy, and more. They have been weakening the galaxy slowly, and unkowingly helping the Reapers, as Saren did, the Geth, and so many others.

I agree with your read on TIM, he was indoctrinated very slowly.  Before ME 3, he was giving into to some Reaper interests but still readily opposing them in some major ways, such as taking Shepard's body from the Collectors.

However, I believe that it was the Reaper's plan with TIM from very early on to cultivate Cerberus into what would become the Collectors for the next cycle.  There are a few thematic and artistic parallels that you can draw between the Collector General and the Illusive Man which hints that the Collector General was the Prothean cycle's incarnation of TIM.

I would also like to take a moment to look at how organic the Collector husks appear to be (abominations and scions.) These husks have a much stronger organic feel than the regular husks and yet the synthetic augmentation is evident.  They are the closest in game representation of what end game synthesis would resemble.  And it just so happens that Harbinger can possess these Collector husks.... 

This has ill tidings for a more literal spin on what synthesis could be (Harbinger being able to mind hack all intelligent life and further influence life's evolution) but, from an IT point of view, this lends some credit to the possibility of synthesis allowing Harbinger to take direct control of Shepard.  Once Shepard jumps into the beam, his will becomes fully aligned with Harbinger's goals

[Either.Ardrey]

masster blaster wrote...

Okay I asked my English Teacher, and my history teacher about ME3, and the endings.

Well my history teacher play's mass effect, and he likes IT. My english teacher however doesn't play mass effect, yet he, and she agree that from what I told them, and showed them. Their is something not right about the endings, and they agree IT fit's the bill to solve the ending we got.

You have a really awesome history teacher, MB.

[masster blaster]

TheConstentone you read my mind about what could really happen in Synthesis.

" Struggle if you wish your mind will be mind."

Yet Control could be Harbinger Controlling Shepard, but I think they really download Shepard into a Reaper. Yet he follows Harbingers commands like a dog.

Modifié par masster blaster, 10 octobre 2012 - 05:51 .

[masster blaster]

Either he is, and he is a nerdy History teacher, and likes to tell corny jokes. He actuallt reminds me of Joker. Well minues the bone dieases.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Regarding TIM I have little doubt he is fully caught in the Reapers net of lies. However, I think that the Reapers truly tightened their grib on him only after ME2 as shown by the fact that his goal changes from Protecting Humanity at all cost to using the Reapers to Ascend Humanity.

TIM and Cerberus even before that is responsible for irredeemable atrocities, but TIM is also very intelligent and certainly a person to put in considerable forward thinking to make sure everything goes as it should.

I think Cerberus still has a role to play in IT and I dont think it will be wholely bad. Even if lost to the Reapers TIM might still have set in motion events which might ultimately aid us.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 10 octobre 2012 - 06:14 .

[masster blaster]

SwobyJ I wasn't talking about you sorry, I meant people in the Control thread, and yes some people that don't pay attention to TIM's past, and what TIM he is now in ME3.

[masster blaster]

Maybe 1992, but from Cerberus past, and what happened to Jack in Evolution. It's safe to tell he know what was happening to him, and it was only a matter of time before it was to late.

Yet I still think TIM was truely gone for good in ME3. Oh and I think he gambeld all that he has done because Shepard showed him that their is always another way, and that's what Paragon Shepard did.

Renegad Shepard let's time keep the base, and well so can Paragon Shepard, but I am talking fully renegade, and he, or she makes TIM so happy.

Yet Paragon Shepard pisses him of, even though he/she stoped the Collectors for now. TIM's lust for Control, and pwoer was his acheilies heel. Reapers used it against him.

[estebanus]

Hey there, guys! What's going on?

I've been in Malta for the last 5 days, so I'm sorry that I'm kinda outta the loop!

[masster blaster]

Hey Estebanus will talk to you in a bit my next class is about to start so see ya.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

estebanus wrote...

Hey there, guys! What's going on?

I've been in Malta for the last 5 days, so I'm sorry that I'm kinda outta the loop!

New multiplayer patch landed with the Collectors as a new enemy and some new classes including Volus as a playable race (which caused some discussion). Nothing big in terms of IT as far as I recall though.

[Restrider]

masster blaster wrote...

Okay I asked my English Teacher, and my history teacher about ME3, and the endings.

Well my history teacher play's mass effect, and he likes IT. My english teacher however doesn't play mass effect, yet he, and she agree that from what I told them, and showed them. Their is something not right about the endings, and they agree IT fit's the bill to solve the ending we got.

WTF? Why didn't I have such teachers...

[estebanus]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hey there, guys! What's going on?

I've been in Malta for the last 5 days, so I'm sorry that I'm kinda outta the loop!

New multiplayer patch landed with the Collectors as a new enemy and some new classes including Volus as a playable race (which caused some discussion). Nothing big in terms of IT as far as I recall though.

I see.

Retaliation is downloading right now, as a matter of fact:P

Modifié par estebanus, 10 octobre 2012 - 06:47 .

[estebanus]

Restrider wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay I asked my English Teacher, and my history teacher about ME3, and the endings.

Well my history teacher play's mass effect, and he likes IT. My english teacher however doesn't play mass effect, yet he, and she agree that from what I told them, and showed them. Their is something not right about the endings, and they agree IT fit's the bill to solve the ending we got.

WTF? Why didn't I have such teachers...

One of my professors at university is a Mass Effect fan. We talk about the games all the time. However, he's not really an indoctrinationist. He likes it, but he doesn't believe in it.

[Bill Casey]

masster blaster wrote...

I hate people saying TIM was always good. No he hasn't I don't care if people are giving him the overlook he is evil ever since Evolution.

After Jack looses his friends he has nothing left to live for, or keep his mind under his Control.

Jack argued that Saren's brother could not Control the Meta Turians, and he was right, and now we see TIM doing what Saren's brother did in Evolution, only he want's to Control the Reapers.

Also Cerberus goes way to far, and I don't mean the good way, but the horrible ways.

Look at Toombs, Admiral Kahoko, and his men. Hell in ME1 Cerberus put Colonist on the Dragon's teeth for experiment. They also trapped coloinst down in the mines, and they became husk.

Their are so many things I can say about Cerberus, but they always say " we have groups that act out side our sources." BS TIM knew about the archives, the Shadowbroker, and a lot of things he never told us about.

Also I don't think he was Indoctrinated in ME2, but was under the infulence of the Reapers.

Think about it. Read the articals about Cerberus, they target Military stations, politcal figuers, the galactic Economy, and more. They have been weakening the galaxy slowly, and unkowingly helping the Reapers, as Saren did, the Geth, and so many others.

*TIM Knowingly sends you into a collector trap*

Illusive Man: "It was a trap... but I was confident in your abilities. And don't forget EDI. The Collectors couldn't have anticipated her."

Shepard: "You could have told me the plan. You say I'm important, but you sure try hard to get me killed."

Illusive Man: "I needed the Collectors to believe they had the upper hand. Telling you could've tipped them off in any number of ways."

Modifié par Bill Casey, 10 octobre 2012 - 07:24 .

[BatmanTurian]

Restrider wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

@master. I have a suspicion that Miranda may be indoctrinated herself. Remember who she spent time with reconstructing Shepard. She also wanted to put the control chip in. Plus Ashely hates her and in 3 Ashley does say "I used to know him" referring to Shepard and has been distrustful of the whole thing of how Shepard came to be.

Since when is Ashley an indoctrination detector? It's just that Ashley is somehow unfriendly or let's call it cautious/suspicous towards everyone (remember her concern to let aliens have access to the Normandy systems in ME 1) and this includes Shepard in ME 2 and 3.
Furthermore, if you are referring to Wilson - well, do we know he was indoctrinated? We know he was the traitor, but does that necessarily imply that he was indoctrinated?

Kaiden said that for my Femshep and he was her LI

[Bill Casey]

Illusive Man: "We lost contact with Dr. Chandana's team shortly after they boarded. Initial reconnaissance revealed no clues, and it was too risky to commit more resources -- but now we need that IFF."



*Has several IFFs*

[Bill Casey]

Shepard: "Ash said the Alliance got a tip about Cerberus. Was that you?"

Illusive Man: "I may have let it slip that you were alive. And with Cerberus."



*Sent Shepard to where Ashley was*

Modifié par Bill Casey, 10 octobre 2012 - 07:50 .