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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!

Débuté par byne , juil. 30 2012 07:09

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 10:32

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Yes SwobyJ I see, but I think TIM knew deep down he will become the Reapers servent, so he made sure Shepard was not corrupted, and to keep him/her safe. Yet TIM's lust for power after Evolution clouded his morals, and lead him to TIM we see in ME3.


That's true, and I had some sense of that as well.


I think the whole 'Cerberus went pure evil!' idea will be proven to be wrong, and Cerberus, and TIM, will be continued to be portrayed as morally grey.

We'll see with Omega DLC.

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 10:32

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^Ha Ha!
@ Estebanus

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 10:33

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Humakt83 wrote...

No. TIM lost it already prior to the beginning of Mass Effect 3. TIM and in extension majority of Cerberus was on a Reaper leash. Rope just tightened when he chose to implant himself.

He gave in to the suggestion and manipulation.

True. I honestly don't know what I was thinking.

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 10:34

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estebanus wrote...

Hey, it's page 1305! That's my birthday date!

EDIT: Oh, bitter, cold fate... Why do you punish me like this?!

Look at the bright side, you got top!

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 10:35

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Restrider wrote...

^Ha Ha!
@ Estebanus

It just had to be me, didn't it? Well, that's karma for you!:P

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 10:36

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estebanus wrote...

Hey, it's page 1305! That's my birthday date!

EDIT: Oh, bitter, cold fate... Why do you punish me like this?!

It took me a minute to figure out why this was edited.
^_^

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 10:36

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Humakt83 wrote...

No. Whatever his plans were, are long gone. All he could reveal at that point is Reapers' plans.

It's possible that TIM could still have more to do than we already know, especially if the final confrontation with him is all a dream. In the end, he was certainly under Reaper control, but just in the previous mission, the attack on the Cerberus Base, he seemed fine.


If Citadel+Crucible is a dream, then Anderson is just the idea of what Shepard sees Anderson as, and TIM is just the idea of what Shepard sees TIM becoming (which is clear when you listen to Shepard's dialogue in TIM conversations).

It also explains why Anderson's dialogue is adjusted a bit depending on whether you romanced anyone or not. He's a reflection of Shepard's positive feelings towards others, but also himself. This is being slowly eroded by the indoctrinated part of himself, which he has kept at bay until Thessia, due to mostly single-minded faith in this cycle and the Crucible plan.

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 10:37

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Humakt83 wrote...

ajk_Jack wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

No. Whatever his plans were, are long gone. All he could reveal at that point is Reapers' plans.

It's possible that TIM could still have more to do than we already know, especially if the final confrontation with him is all a dream. In the end, he was certainly under Reaper control, but just in the previous mission, the attack on the Cerberus Base, he seemed fine.


No. TIM lost it already prior to the beginning of Mass Effect 3. TIM and in extension majority of Cerberus was on a Reaper leash. Rope just tightened when he chose to implant himself.

He gave in to the suggestion and manipulation.


We don't know what he implanted himself with, and why. (AGAIN, if the ending is a hallucination)

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 10:37

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401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hey, it's page 1305! That's my birthday date!

EDIT: Oh, bitter, cold fate... Why do you punish me like this?!

Look at the bright side, you got top!

There's always a silver lining to everything, right?:lol:

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 10:38

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SwobyJ wrote...


We don't know what he implanted himself with, and why. (AGAIN, if the ending is a hallucination)

The whole implanting thing does imply further Reaper control, but I will agree, there could have been another motive.

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ajk_Jack wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...


We don't know what he implanted himself with, and why. (AGAIN, if the ending is a hallucination)

The whole implanting thing does imply further Reaper control, but I will agree, there could have been another motive.


*inserts red herring picture from Bioware*
(you know about that, right?)

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 10:43

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SwobyJ wrote...


*inserts red herring picture from Bioware*
(you know about that, right?)

Yes I do. 

#32638
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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 10:47

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ajk_Jack wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

No. TIM lost it already prior to the beginning of Mass Effect 3. TIM and in extension majority of Cerberus was on a Reaper leash. Rope just tightened when he chose to implant himself.

He gave in to the suggestion and manipulation.

True. I honestly don't know what I was thinking.


It is ironic considering he himself manipulated Shepard a lot in Mass Effect 2. And TIM was a control freak.

Illusive Man was a puppet master with strings attached to his back.

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 11:04

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I got the Eagle I in my Commendation Pack.

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 11:07

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So NYCC starts tomorrow, right?
Omega's getting its release date there, right?

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 11:10

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TSA_383 wrote...

So NYCC starts tomorrow, right?
Omega's getting its release date there, right?

Perhaps. Honestly, I don't have a damn clue :P

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 11:12

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TSA_383 wrote...

So NYCC starts tomorrow, right?
Omega's getting its release date there, right?

No right. Posted Image

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 11:12

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Humakt83 wrote...

ajk_Jack wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

No. TIM lost it already prior to the beginning of Mass Effect 3. TIM and in extension majority of Cerberus was on a Reaper leash. Rope just tightened when he chose to implant himself.

He gave in to the suggestion and manipulation.

True. I honestly don't know what I was thinking.

It is ironic considering he himself manipulated Shepard a lot in Mass Effect 2. And TIM was a control freak.
Illusive Man was a puppet master with strings attached to his back.

In Mass Effect 2 TIM had some remnants of his former self remaining. He may have been under Reaper influence, but remember, he helped Shepard defeat the Proto-Reaper and the Collectors (whether you save the base or not). I don't think that made the Reapers too happy. Unless that was the plan all along... Let Shepard attempt to stop the Collectors, if he dies then nothing is lost. If Shepard succeeds, then they might be able to get a foothold in his mind for indoctrination. 

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 11:13

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TSA_383 wrote...

So NYCC starts tomorrow, right?
Omega's getting its release date there, right?

October 30th seems to be the prevailing assumption.

#32645
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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 11:16

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TSA_383 wrote...

So NYCC starts tomorrow, right?
Omega's getting its release date there, right?


I hope. :innocent: So what have I missed in the last while? I also heard that the volus sucks...or rather the people who play as them suck. I heard they can be good support characters. 

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 11:16

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401 Kill wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

So NYCC starts tomorrow, right?
Omega's getting its release date there, right?

October 30th seems to be the prevailing assumption.

9-Week Gap Rule!

#32647
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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 11:18

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paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

So NYCC starts tomorrow, right?
Omega's getting its release date there, right?

October 30th seems to be the prevailing assumption.

9-Week Gap Rule!

It's a rule! It must be true!

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 11:18

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TJBartlemus wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

So NYCC starts tomorrow, right?
Omega's getting its release date there, right?


I hope. :innocent: So what have I missed in the last while? I also heard that the volus sucks...or rather the people who play as them suck. I heard they can be good support characters. 

You've missed the Gummy Bear Flavors Challenge. Posted Image 

Modifié par paxxton, 10 octobre 2012 - 11:23 .

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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 11:18

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paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

So NYCC starts tomorrow, right?
Omega's getting its release date there, right?

October 30th seems to be the prevailing assumption.

9-Week Gap Rule! Law!


Fixed for ya. ;)

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 10 octobre 2012 - 11:19 .

#32650
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Posté 10 octobre 2012 - 11:22

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TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

So NYCC starts tomorrow, right?
Omega's getting its release date there, right?

October 30th seems to be the prevailing assumption.

9-Week Gap Rule! Law!


Fixed for ya. ;)

Doesn't sound as catchy but at least it's a proper name. Posted Image
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