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[TJBartlemus]

Well...I am off to download and play the Retaliation DLC. Wish me luck!!!!!

[masster blaster]

Guys what IS the Redherring?

Is it TIM.
The Catalyst
The crucible
Coats
Or the endings?

[401 Kill]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Well...I am off to download and play the Retaliation DLC. Wish me luck!!!!!

Good luck! You'll be fine if you don't get any Volus (I wasted about 6 premium specter packs because I got a fully upgraded Volus adept, and the only other thing I got was the Turian Havoc soldier... I had over 2million credits...)

[paxxton]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Well...I am off to download and play the Retaliation DLC. Wish me luck!!!!!

Go for Platinum!

[paxxton]

masster blaster wrote...

Guys what IS the Redherring?

Is it TIM.
The Catalyst
The crucible
Coats
Or the endings?

From the player's perspective it's definitely the ending.

[401 Kill]

We all know why I am doing this... I bet one of you has bumped a post up before...

401 Kill wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

ajk_Jack wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

No. TIM lost it already prior to the beginning of Mass Effect 3. TIM and in extension majority of Cerberus was on a Reaper leash. Rope just tightened when he chose to implant himself.

He gave in to the suggestion and manipulation.

True. I honestly don't know what I was thinking.

It is ironic considering he himself manipulated Shepard a lot in Mass Effect 2. And TIM was a control freak.
Illusive Man was a puppet master with strings attached to his back.

In Mass Effect 2 TIM had some remnants of his former self remaining. He may have been under Reaper influence, but remember, he helped Shepard defeat the Proto-Reaper and the Collectors (whether you save the base or not). I don't think that made the Reapers too happy. Unless that was the plan all along... Let Shepard attempt to stop the Collectors, if he dies then nothing is lost. If Shepard succeeds, then they might be able to get a foothold in his mind for indoctrination. 

[masster blaster]

You think so Paxxton?

[paxxton]

401 Kill wrote...

We all know why I am doing this... I bet one of you has bumped a post up before...

401 Kill wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

ajk_Jack wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

No. TIM lost it already prior to the beginning of Mass Effect 3. TIM and in extension majority of Cerberus was on a Reaper leash. Rope just tightened when he chose to implant himself.

He gave in to the suggestion and manipulation.

True. I honestly don't know what I was thinking.

It is ironic considering he himself manipulated Shepard a lot in Mass Effect 2. And TIM was a control freak.
Illusive Man was a puppet master with strings attached to his back.

In Mass Effect 2 TIM had some remnants of his former self remaining. He may have been under Reaper influence, but remember, he helped Shepard defeat the Proto-Reaper and the Collectors (whether you save the base or not). I don't think that made the Reapers too happy. Unless that was the plan all along... Let Shepard attempt to stop the Collectors, if he dies then nothing is lost. If Shepard succeeds, then they might be able to get a foothold in his mind for indoctrination. 

If Shepard dies, the Reapers lose what they've wanted to gain by indoctrinasting him.

[401 Kill]

Lets think outside the box... What if Shepard is the Red Herring? *gasps "Wah???"

[TSA_383]

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

So NYCC starts tomorrow, right?
Omega's getting its release date there, right?

October 30th seems to be the prevailing assumption.

9-Week Gap Rule! Law!

Fixed for ya. 

Doesn't sound as catchy but at least it's a proper name.

I maintain that you're likely to be totally, totally wrong 

[paxxton]

masster blaster wrote...

You think so Paxxton?

The ending isn't the real ending but still thousands of people insist on thinking it's all there is. That's the red herring for them. From Shepard's perspective it could be anything from that list (except the ending). E.g. the Crucible Project makes the whole Galaxy pour enormous amounts of resources into it, but it may turn out to be a trap.

[masster blaster]

401 Shepard in general, or the breath scene?

[Humakt83]

401 Kill wrote...
In Mass Effect 2 TIM had some remnants of his former self remaining. He may have been under Reaper influence, but remember, he helped Shepard defeat the Proto-Reaper and the Collectors (whether you save the base or not). I don't think that made the Reapers too happy. Unless that was the plan all along... Let Shepard attempt to stop the Collectors, if he dies then nothing is lost. If Shepard succeeds, then they might be able to get a foothold in his mind for indoctrination. 

I'm not claiming otherwise. Still, he was losing himself without fully realizing it even in ME 2.

Modifié par Humakt83, 10 octobre 2012 - 11:41 .

[masster blaster]

I hope your right Paxxton, and all of us too.

[paxxton]

TSA_383 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

So NYCC starts tomorrow, right?
Omega's getting its release date there, right?

October 30th seems to be the prevailing assumption.

9-Week Gap Rule! Law!

Fixed for ya. 

Doesn't sound as catchy but at least it's a proper name.

I maintain that you're likely to be totally, totally wrong 

We'll see about that.

[401 Kill]

Be that as it may Paxton, but they know that without Shepard the current cycle is "Just another harvest". They would want Shepard to prove himself to be capable before being ascended as the head of the human Reaper...

[paxxton]

401 Kill wrote...

Be that as it may Paxton, but they know that without Shepard the current cycle is "Just another harvest". They would want Shepard to prove himself to be capable before being ascended as the head of the human Reaper...

I assume that Harbinger had already decided to possess Shepard before he embarked on the mission to fight the Collectors.

Modifié par paxxton, 10 octobre 2012 - 11:46 .

[Either.Ardrey]

paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

So NYCC starts tomorrow, right?
Omega's getting its release date there, right?

October 30th seems to be the prevailing assumption.

9-Week Gap Rule!

Not necessarily. You can't really make a valid rule out of one instance (EC to Leviathan). It could easily be about 9 weeks, or a range of 9-x weeks. It could even be a series unified by a function, such as 3,6,12...(X x 2) or 3,9,27...(X^2) or 9,10,11...(X + 1).

After all 10 weeks is about 9 weeks, and would be the week of Nov. 7th (aka N7 day).

Modifié par Either.Ardrey, 10 octobre 2012 - 11:49 .

[masster blaster]

Hum83, just like Saren did too. He didn't believe he was until it was to late. And think about this, what if the Reapers us TIM/Cerberus, for keeping Shepard off their back.

Think about it. We mostly fight cerberus in ME3, yet when ever something major is about to happen, or side quest Cerberus is always their.

Also what if TIM had nothing to gain by getting the Citadel. What if the Reapers ordered TIM to attack the Citadel, to show us that " Why is Cerberus after the Citadel."

It's all a game of chess guys.

Also think about this, oh is controlling who. TIM's soldiers already hear vocies in their heads, and TIM got this crazy idea to implant Reaper tech in him, just like most Indoctrinated people did.

[401 Kill]

masster blaster wrote...

401 Shepard in general, or the breath scene?

Oh no, I was just throwing around some crazy ideas. Paxton's explanation seems to be the likely one. But if you think about it, the Red Herring could engulf Shepards speech in control (Though this was added in the EC, so I doubt it's validity.), maybe the Red Herring is London, it could also be the AI. If Shepard was the Red Herring, it would start when he gets "hit" by Harbingers beam though.

[spotlessvoid]

Since indoctrination causes neutral degradation over time, I have a feeling the Reapers only push things as far as needed, especially with prime targets. The way I see it they can slowly subvert and realign someone by subtle suggestion like dreams and whispers. Once they have their hooks in you they can crank it up when needed, causing the victim to lose more and more free will. This is why TIM's actions and motives have likely changed dramatically over time.

[paxxton]

Either.Ardrey wrote...

paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

So NYCC starts tomorrow, right?
Omega's getting its release date there, right?

October 30th seems to be the prevailing assumption.

9-Week Gap Rule!

Not necessarily. You can't really make a valid rule out of one instance (EC to Leviathan). It could easily be about 9 weeks, or a range of 9-x weeks. It could even be a series unified by a function, such as 3,6,12...(X x 2) or 3,9,27...(X^2) or 9,10,11...(X + 1).

After all 10 weeks is about 9 weeks, and would be the week of Nov. 7th (aka N7 day).

But there are hints in Vancouver to support the 9-Week Gap Rule/Law. Jack-o-Lantern, to be specific.

[Bill Casey]

(Mass Effect 2)

Harbinger: There is no pain
Harbinger: Sentient beings need never fear pain
Harbinger: Pain is an illusion
Harbinger: This body's pain is irrelevant

(Video of TIM right before shoving himself full of reaper tech)

Illusive Man: Begin the procedure. No anesthetic.

Modifié par Bill Casey, 10 octobre 2012 - 11:56 .

[401 Kill]

paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Be that as it may Paxton, but they know that without Shepard the current cycle is "Just another harvest". They would want Shepard to prove himself to be capable before being ascended as the head of the human Reaper...

I assume that Harbinger had already decided to possess Shepard before he embarked on the mission to fight the Collectors.

Well, the ending is the final test for Shepard right? (Crucible) So why can't Harbinger test Shepard earlier, to see if he is worth the trouble. What better way to do that then seeing if Shepard can defeat his own personal troops? 

[401 Kill]

paxxton wrote...


But there are hints in Vancouver to support the 9-Week Gap Rule/Law. Jack-o-Lantern, to be specific.

Also Champagne, guess what is exactly 9weeks after October 30th? New Years.