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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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masster blaster wrote...

Guys what IS the Redherring?

Is it TIM.
The Catalyst
The crucible
Coats
Or the endings?


Personally I say it's the endings from the moment you get hit by the beam up until you take a breath.    The below reasons explains why.  With the part about A and B just add a C and it'll all make sense.  The ending is the herring, the game's not over, ME part 2 is coming:


A red herring is a clue which is intentionally or unintentionally misleading or distracting from the actual issue.The term is mostly used to claim that the argument of another person is not relevant to the issue being discussed. In mystery fiction, a clue or lead that turns out not to be relevant to the solution of the mystery would also be a red herring.

"The idiomatic sense of "red herring" has, until very recently, been thought to originate from a supposed technique of training young scent hounds. There are variations of the story, but according to one version, the pungent red herring would be dragged along a trail until a puppy learned to follow the scent. Later, when the dog was being trained to follow the faint odour of a fox or a badger, the trainer would drag a red herring (whose strong scent confuses the animal) perpendicular to the animal's trail to confuse the dog.The dog would eventually learn to follow the original scent rather than the stronger scent. An alternate etymology points to escaping convicts who would use the pungent fish to throw off hounds in pursuit"

Description of Red Herring

A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue.
The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:

Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
Topic A is abandoned. This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim.
Examples of Red Herring
 "We admit that this measure is popular. But we also urge you to note that there are so many bond issues on this ballot that the whole thing is getting ridiculous."
 "Argument" for a tax cut:
"You know, I've begun to think that there is some merit in the Republican's tax cut plan. I suggest that you come up with something like it, because If we Democrats are going to survive as a party, we have got to show that we are as tough-minded as the Republicans, since that is what the public wants."
 "Argument" for making grad school requirements stricter:
"I think there is great merit in making the requirements stricter for the graduate students. I recommend that you support it, too. After all, we are in a budget crisis and we do not want our salaries affected."
 

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I thought NYCC started on Friday. Is there anything scheduled for tomorrow?

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Remember the lines the kid uses for describing the 3 choices?
my post on the entire catalyst lines with my translations on it
Read the red herring, then read the above link, ignore my translations and you might see why I say that is the red herring

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LazyTechGuy wrote...

I thought NYCC started on Friday. Is there anything scheduled for tomorrow?

I have no idea, but maybe Omega will be announced!

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masster blaster

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Unlikely, more like the Trilogy pack that is comming out, and maybe a sneek peek at the Vega Movie.

Or Omega, and IT.

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

Remember the lines the kid uses for describing the 3 choices?
my post on the entire catalyst lines with my translations on it
Read the red herring, then read the above link, ignore my translations and you might see why I say that is the red herring


Lots of silly things being written in that thread, like so many people there don't understand how creative writing works.

"I'd just remove the kid and replace it with a ___"

No. The whole story necessitates the 'AI Catalyst' being the child. It's supposed to tip you off that SOMETHING ISN'T RIGHT.

"Oh but I hate IT and it makes no sense, so it isn't true."

...:pinched:

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Swoby ya, they will never understand until Bioware tells them IT is happening. Let's be honest if Bioware doesn't annonce IT, and prove IT in a dlc, then people will think.

" They did it to shut ITers up." NoLiteralist go pout I win. Bioware : ITers " all right Bioware.

But if they announce IT, then people will be like. I knew IT was right all along.

That's when we say BS, and show them their post about no IT, and it's bad.

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masster blaster wrote...

Swoby ya, they will never understand until Bioware tells them IT is happening. Let's be honest if Bioware doesn't annonce IT, and prove IT in a dlc, then people will think.

" They did it to shut ITers up." NoLiteralist go pout I win. Bioware : ITers " all right Bioware.

But if they announce IT, then people will be like. I knew IT was right all along.

That's when we say BS, and show them their post about no IT, and it's bad.


That's the one saving grace - that we have record of their posts and how they NEVER thought something fishy was up with the story, and in fact actively oppose even the speculation of it.

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You know what's going to happen to our group, if IT is proven right in the game, or Bioware statment. Will we ever see eachother again, or keep in touch, or will we get together again in ME4 and talk about what's going to happen.

Or have an IT reunion on the day the first thread was created?

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masster blaster wrote...

Swoby ya, they will never understand until Bioware tells them IT is happening. Let's be honest if Bioware doesn't annonce IT, and prove IT in a dlc, then people will think.

" They did it to shut ITers up." NoLiteralist go pout I win. Bioware : ITers " all right Bioware.

But if they announce IT, then people will be like. I knew IT was right all along.

That's when we say BS, and show them their post about no IT, and it's bad.

No...
They would accuse Bioware of stealing the idea from us...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 11 octobre 2012 - 02:10 .


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Bill we will show them, that it was Bioware's idea first, hence the final hours app.

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masster blaster wrote...

Bill we will show them, that it was Bioware's idea first, hence the final hours app.

Nice point, that is a massive indicator the Bioware had planned indoctrination to affect Shepard, but the "mechanic of the player losing control of Shepard" was scrapped, NOT the idea.:D

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Has there ever been a film or game with an AI intelligence that made the choice to show itself  as a child that wasnt evil..?

I say no.. so logic would say.. dont trust the AI that looks like a kid.... its rules for surviving a horrror movie kind of stuff... dont run upstairs.. dont walk backwards in a dark room....you get it....

but it seems we need the stupid people who dont ask the questions and wonder if there isnt something else happening behind the scenes because we allways need meat for the grinder... after all somebody needs to walk backwards through the dark room and run upstairs where there are no exits... because their the ones that make you fully understand the choice that you made... and if it was the right one...

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that link is hilarious. i know im late to it, but its hilarious.

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damn that was funny i nearly fell on the floor...

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The kid reminds me of the kid from Legand of the Seeker.

The seeker was supposte to be lead by a child, while blind.

The seeker one day became blind to to shards of glass in his eyes, and the kid ( the ruler of the underworld that took on the form of a child), and at the dier hour, the Seeker gave the boy the stone of tears, and the child took the tears down to the underworld.

Ya reminds me of this kid, and he actually looks like that kid.

Also The child also reminds me of Mordrid from Merlin the bbc show that is awsome, and Merlin was fooled by Mordrid's cute childish behavior, and helped him escape Camelot. Then the Great Dragon told Merlin that the boy will kill Arthur in the future, and that has yet to happen.

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TheWill wrote...

Has there ever been a film or game with an AI intelligence that made the choice to show itself  as a child that wasnt evil..?


Yeah, the film AI.  And it was an awful film, but the kid wasn't evil - just annoying and pathetic.

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Also look at Dragon age, over half the children in that game are crazy spirtis, or possesed by demons, and their voice is a mixture of demon, and the child. Ya the Mass Effect team can't make the child the bad guy, now can they.

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LOL- joker does a pretty good job at portraying me post-ME3 ending

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but the kid never made the choice to look like that.... his creator did... im talking about an ai that makes the choice to represent itself so... thats whats wrong and creepy about the ai in mass effect... there are only a few reasons it would present itself to you in that form and none of them good.

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Hmm.. Red Queen from Resident Evil was pretty creepy, though it was designed to look like the designer's girl. And technically Red Queen wasn't evil or even malfunctioning, it was just very heavy handed in protecting the facility and keeping it under lockdown to contain the virus. Still creepy as hell though.

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Restrider wrote...

protognosis wrote...

Just got caught up on the thread.
Now I have that Haribo jingle stuck in my head.
G.D. Gummybears.

I think the Volus being ultra rare annoys me more than the idiots that run up to a banshee and smack it. Though watching a volus struggling on gold as the last party member alive was pretty epic. Of course if the guy playing the support character actually supported the party things would've ended up different. He could've revived a party member. Volus seem to a Rambo complex.

Lol, I had a similar situation a few games back.
We were three players on Firebase Ghost (?) -Benning- and made it to wave 10 against Collectors on silver (all character around lvl ~15). Then we all died, me being the last that bled to death. I thought it was over and expected the "mission scrubbed"-line. But then, the camera moves to a Volus Adept in rainbow armor at the spawning location - he just had joined the match.
I think you can imagine how I laughed my ass off, when I saw how he was being cornered and r@ped by several Collectors in one of those container houses. His medi-gels and spec-ops packs did not save him.
Edit: Don't forget to vote!


I bet the player playing the volus was like, "(weeze) f*** (weeze)!"

I think watching them run is adorable. Like diabetic space gerbils on a heady mix of pcp and crack. A biotic god. Posted Image


 
Maybe GBGriffin can finally identify with a MP character. Posted Image

So anything found in the retaliation files?

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masster blaster wrote...

You know what's going to happen to our group, if IT is proven right in the game, or Bioware statment. Will we ever see eachother again, or keep in touch, or will we get together again in ME4 and talk about what's going to happen.

Or have an IT reunion on the day the first thread was created?


I'll still be here. I've been a forum junkie since 2000 or so. Too much time on my hands, heh.

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I go on these forums off and on, and really only check select portions of it. I was on a lot in the run up to ME2, for sure, a few years ago.

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I swear proto, if you summon him....lol