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As for the Reapers' tactics. If IT is true you agree that the Reapers' methods of waging war are ingenious. They use both brute force and subtle prodding.


Only their use of indoctrination is ingenious.  Their actual warfare tactics tend to be...

Well.  Mass assault, stomping around on the ground shooting at tiny targets, not chasing down fleets, only sending single Destroyers to important warzones while having Capital Ships act as ground troops on various worlds, ignoring targets of oppertunity seemingly at random...

And most importantly, not capturing the Citadel right off the bat.  Despite this being their primary strategy which has worked thousands of times before.  The fact they are suffering the worst causualties ever (we assume, considering the Protheans were considered to have put up a good fight and failed to kill any Reapers...) and have organised resistance all over the Galaxy just goes to show how bad this new plan of theirs is.  And yet they don't adjust.

You'd think billion year old machines who've had a lot of experience with this sort of thing would be more competant.

Perhaps they want to present themselves as invincible but in reality they aren't unstoppable. Or maybe they still have a surprise up their sleeve.

Also, remember that what happened during the Prothean cycle was long ago. Who said that information hadn't been lost? We only got menacing speeches from Vigil and Javik. I'm sure it wasn't so bad that they didn't kill a single Reaper.

Btw, I'm still waiting to see that darkened skies Sovereign heralded.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

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Mark my words! Leviathan IS the reaper we see flying around while Shepard is talking to the Catalyst.

Your words have been marked.


Thanks I don't know how to mark them myself :D

I'm not sure if that was a joke so just in case:
While on the extended form you have to highlight a text you want to stylize. Then click B to add bolding, I to make it askew, U to underline it. The letters are on the upper controls panel of the extended form.

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@starlitegirlx: Welcome!

I agree, ME3's mindblowing twist takes games to a whole new level.

Best thing was replaying the beginning of the game again after knowing the ending. The alliance ship flying, camera zooms out, it's the kid holding it! It's all an illusion!

Bioware, you magnificent bastards.


We read their book. Posted Image

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Dwailing wrote...

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@starlitegirlx: Welcome!

I agree, ME3's mindblowing twist takes games to a whole new level.

Best thing was replaying the beginning of the game again after knowing the ending. The alliance ship flying, camera zooms out, it's the kid holding it! It's all an illusion!

Bioware, you magnificent bastards.


We read their book. Posted Image

And who the hell is that kid that they start a war game from showing him playing with a toy? Huh? Must be some fat cat's kid. jk

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paxxton wrote...

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@starlitegirlx: Welcome!

I agree, ME3's mindblowing twist takes games to a whole new level.

Best thing was replaying the beginning of the game again after knowing the ending. The alliance ship flying, camera zooms out, it's the kid holding it! It's all an illusion!

Bioware, you magnificent bastards.


We read their book. Posted Image

And who the hell is that kid that they start a war game from showing him playing with a toy? Huh? Must be some fat cat's kid. jk


Mabye Bioware was using the ship as a connection to Shepard because the child will Control Shepard in the end of the game. Hencee why we see the child at the end game.

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masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

@starlitegirlx: Welcome!

I agree, ME3's mindblowing twist takes games to a whole new level.

Best thing was replaying the beginning of the game again after knowing the ending. The alliance ship flying, camera zooms out, it's the kid holding it! It's all an illusion!

Bioware, you magnificent bastards.


We read their book. Posted Image

And who the hell is that kid that they start a war game from showing him playing with a toy? Huh? Must be some fat cat's kid. jk


Mabye Bioware was using the ship as a connection to Shepard because the child will Control Shepard in the end of the game. Hencee why we see the child at the end game.


And just like that, the magic was gone. Posted Image

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paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Mark my words! Leviathan IS the reaper we see flying around while Shepard is talking to the Catalyst.

Your words have been marked.


Thanks I don't know how to mark them myself :D

I'm not sure if that was a joke so just in case:
While on the extended form you have to highlight a text you want to stylize. Then click B to add bolding, I to make it askew, U to underline it. The letters are on the upper controls panel of the extended form.


I forgot to put the obligitory

[EDI] That was a Joke[/EDI]

Sorry.

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Leviathan won't be a big reveleation, just confirmed by Mike Gamble. Leviathan DLC will NOT change any of the endings, it will only give you more information about the Reapers.

Wait for future DLCs, no?


Lol you're a bit ignorant aren't you ;)

It can be a huge revelation without "changing" the ending though we know the ending is changed as there's more dialogue and stuff. You're wrong :)


Why use the word Ignorant when you don't know what it means? :huh:

Leviathan is going to be what everyone expect, the first Reaper- which is the creator of the Catalyst. He gained the acknowledgement and self-awareness, whereas other Reapers are all under the control of the Catalyst. Leviathan disagreed with it's methods, and killed one reaper- and fled the scene, only to hide until this event. 

Massive-revelations based on common sense and pre-statements made by the Catalyst. It's all spoiler-based, and we might get more information on the "Creators" , but expecting some plot-twist scenario and grandeur of smacktalk with the Catalyst is just desperate and delusional. 

Mike Gamble even stated, and confirmed that they won't 'change' the endings, as in- the "FU Catalyst" child won't result in a victory, all endings will remain the same, you might get some banter, but it'll be pointless in the end. Bioware themself have said that the Shepard journey is now concluded with the ending you recieved in EC.

Why do people persist on still strangling onto their fictional story to become canon, because it's not going to happend, and I honestly wish some people would see this already, it's basic 101 business stuff. 

"Big Revelations, and important-story arc and conclussion to the ME3 Endings, for yours only for the bargain price of 10$!" SUPPPPPERRRRRRRR :police:

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If you haven't done your homework today, click my signature.

I didn't really had to click it to know what I was going to see. This will... Posted Image

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Wwhat do you mean the magic was go? It's possible that could be the case.

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Fingertrip wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Leviathan won't be a big reveleation, just confirmed by Mike Gamble. Leviathan DLC will NOT change any of the endings, it will only give you more information about the Reapers.

Wait for future DLCs, no?


Lol you're a bit ignorant aren't you ;)

It can be a huge revelation without "changing" the ending though we know the ending is changed as there's more dialogue and stuff. You're wrong :)


Why use the word Ignorant when you don't know what it means? :huh:

Leviathan is going to be what everyone expect, the first Reaper- which is the creator of the Catalyst. He gained the acknowledgement and self-awareness, whereas other Reapers are all under the control of the Catalyst. Leviathan disagreed with it's methods, and killed one reaper- and fled the scene, only to hide until this event. 

Massive-revelations based on common sense and pre-statements made by the Catalyst. It's all spoiler-based, and we might get more information on the "Creators" , but expecting some plot-twist scenario and grandeur of smacktalk with the Catalyst is just desperate and delusional. 

Mike Gamble even stated, and confirmed that they won't 'change' the endings, as in- the "FU Catalyst" child won't result in a victory, all endings will remain the same, you might get some banter, but it'll be pointless in the end. Bioware themself have said that the Shepard journey is now concluded with the ending you recieved in EC.

Why do people persist on still strangling onto their fictional story to become canon, because it's not going to happend, and I honestly wish some people would see this already, it's basic 101 business stuff. 

"Big Revelations, and important-story arc and conclussion to the ME3 Endings, for yours only for the bargain price of 10$!" SUPPPPPERRRRRRRR :police:


Does it have to change the ending? Is it possible it could shed more light on some details about the ending without changing it? You might not be ignorant but you are sure being naive.

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Wwhat do you mean the magic was go? It's possible that could be the case.


I'm not saying you're wrong.  That's an interesting parallel.  What I meant was that we were making references to the movie Patton (I believe.), and then your post had nothing to do with said movie. 

(I should note that I've never seen Patton, but I did see that quote on the Magnificent ******* page on tvtropes.org)

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Wwhat do you mean the magic was go? It's possible that could be the case.

That quote pyramid was just kidding.

Seriously, though, yes, the child holding the ship might be a symbol of him eventually gaining control over Shepard's mind. But that's really far-fetched.

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Venomous Snake wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Leviathan won't be a big reveleation, just confirmed by Mike Gamble. Leviathan DLC will NOT change any of the endings, it will only give you more information about the Reapers.

Wait for future DLCs, no?


Lol you're a bit ignorant aren't you ;)

It can be a huge revelation without "changing" the ending though we know the ending is changed as there's more dialogue and stuff. You're wrong :)


Why use the word Ignorant when you don't know what it means? :huh:

Leviathan is going to be what everyone expect, the first Reaper- which is the creator of the Catalyst. He gained the acknowledgement and self-awareness, whereas other Reapers are all under the control of the Catalyst. Leviathan disagreed with it's methods, and killed one reaper- and fled the scene, only to hide until this event. 

Massive-revelations based on common sense and pre-statements made by the Catalyst. It's all spoiler-based, and we might get more information on the "Creators" , but expecting some plot-twist scenario and grandeur of smacktalk with the Catalyst is just desperate and delusional. 

Mike Gamble even stated, and confirmed that they won't 'change' the endings, as in- the "FU Catalyst" child won't result in a victory, all endings will remain the same, you might get some banter, but it'll be pointless in the end. Bioware themself have said that the Shepard journey is now concluded with the ending you recieved in EC.

Why do people persist on still strangling onto their fictional story to become canon, because it's not going to happend, and I honestly wish some people would see this already, it's basic 101 business stuff. 

"Big Revelations, and important-story arc and conclussion to the ME3 Endings, for yours only for the bargain price of 10$!" SUPPPPPERRRRRRRR :police:


Does it have to change the ending? Is it possible it could shed more light on some details about the ending without changing it? You might not be ignorant but you are sure being naive.


During the demo of the Leviathan. Gamble said that there could be some easter eggs at the end, but he could be trying to get us on to buy the dlc.

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Dwailing wrote...

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Wwhat do you mean the magic was go? It's possible that could be the case.


I'm not saying you're wrong.  That's an interesting parallel.  What I meant was that we were making references to the movie Patton (I believe.), and then your post had nothing to do with said movie. 

(I should note that I've never seen Patton, but I did see that quote on the Magnificent ******* page on tvtropes.org)


Oh, well you should watch the movie then.

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paxxton wrote...

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Wwhat do you mean the magic was go? It's possible that could be the case.

That quote pyramid was just kidding.

Seriously, though, yes, the child holding the ship might be a symbol of him eventually gaining control over Shepard's mind. But that's really far-fetched.


So is IT from a Literal point of view. But not ours as much.

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masster blaster wrote...

Venomous Snake wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Leviathan won't be a big reveleation, just confirmed by Mike Gamble. Leviathan DLC will NOT change any of the endings, it will only give you more information about the Reapers.

Wait for future DLCs, no?


Lol you're a bit ignorant aren't you ;)

It can be a huge revelation without "changing" the ending though we know the ending is changed as there's more dialogue and stuff. You're wrong :)


Why use the word Ignorant when you don't know what it means? :huh:

Leviathan is going to be what everyone expect, the first Reaper- which is the creator of the Catalyst. He gained the acknowledgement and self-awareness, whereas other Reapers are all under the control of the Catalyst. Leviathan disagreed with it's methods, and killed one reaper- and fled the scene, only to hide until this event. 

Massive-revelations based on common sense and pre-statements made by the Catalyst. It's all spoiler-based, and we might get more information on the "Creators" , but expecting some plot-twist scenario and grandeur of smacktalk with the Catalyst is just desperate and delusional. 

Mike Gamble even stated, and confirmed that they won't 'change' the endings, as in- the "FU Catalyst" child won't result in a victory, all endings will remain the same, you might get some banter, but it'll be pointless in the end. Bioware themself have said that the Shepard journey is now concluded with the ending you recieved in EC.

Why do people persist on still strangling onto their fictional story to become canon, because it's not going to happend, and I honestly wish some people would see this already, it's basic 101 business stuff. 

"Big Revelations, and important-story arc and conclussion to the ME3 Endings, for yours only for the bargain price of 10$!" SUPPPPPERRRRRRRR :police:


Does it have to change the ending? Is it possible it could shed more light on some details about the ending without changing it? You might not be ignorant but you are sure being naive.


During the demo of the Leviathan. Gamble said that there could be some easter eggs at the end, but he could be trying to get us on to buy the dlc.


Well, we KNOW that there will be new dialogue with the Catalyst.  The leaked script confirms that.  And if Leviathan tells us something very different about the origins of the Reapers than what the Catalyst tells us, we'll know something is up.

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masster blaster wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Wwhat do you mean the magic was go? It's possible that could be the case.


I'm not saying you're wrong.  That's an interesting parallel.  What I meant was that we were making references to the movie Patton (I believe.), and then your post had nothing to do with said movie. 

(I should note that I've never seen Patton, but I did see that quote on the Magnificent ******* page on tvtropes.org)


Oh, well you should watch the movie then.


Yeah, I probably should, lol. Posted Image

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Dwailing wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Venomous Snake wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Leviathan won't be a big reveleation, just confirmed by Mike Gamble. Leviathan DLC will NOT change any of the endings, it will only give you more information about the Reapers.

Wait for future DLCs, no?


Lol you're a bit ignorant aren't you ;)

It can be a huge revelation without "changing" the ending though we know the ending is changed as there's more dialogue and stuff. You're wrong :)


Why use the word Ignorant when you don't know what it means? :huh:

Leviathan is going to be what everyone expect, the first Reaper- which is the creator of the Catalyst. He gained the acknowledgement and self-awareness, whereas other Reapers are all under the control of the Catalyst. Leviathan disagreed with it's methods, and killed one reaper- and fled the scene, only to hide until this event. 

Massive-revelations based on common sense and pre-statements made by the Catalyst. It's all spoiler-based, and we might get more information on the "Creators" , but expecting some plot-twist scenario and grandeur of smacktalk with the Catalyst is just desperate and delusional. 

Mike Gamble even stated, and confirmed that they won't 'change' the endings, as in- the "FU Catalyst" child won't result in a victory, all endings will remain the same, you might get some banter, but it'll be pointless in the end. Bioware themself have said that the Shepard journey is now concluded with the ending you recieved in EC.

Why do people persist on still strangling onto their fictional story to become canon, because it's not going to happend, and I honestly wish some people would see this already, it's basic 101 business stuff. 

"Big Revelations, and important-story arc and conclussion to the ME3 Endings, for yours only for the bargain price of 10$!" SUPPPPPERRRRRRRR :police:


Does it have to change the ending? Is it possible it could shed more light on some details about the ending without changing it? You might not be ignorant but you are sure being naive.


During the demo of the Leviathan. Gamble said that there could be some easter eggs at the end, but he could be trying to get us on to buy the dlc.


Well, we KNOW that there will be new dialogue with the Catalyst.  The leaked script confirms that.  And if Leviathan tells us something very different about the origins of the Reapers than what the Catalyst tells us, we'll know something is up.


Yes but bioware will cover up their tracks, and until the MP story line, and all mp/sp dlc are out. They will not tell us weather IT is right or wrong, until this is all has come to pass.

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masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Wwhat do you mean the magic was go? It's possible that could be the case.

That quote pyramid was just kidding.

Seriously, though, yes, the child holding the ship might be a symbol of him eventually gaining control over Shepard's mind. But that's really far-fetched.


So is IT from a Literal point of view. But not ours as much.

I admit that there's some gripping meaning in that the child controls the ship. A hint to IT. But, again, you really have to stretch it and read between lines to connect that to what happens in the ending with Shepard's mind. Is it possible that the symbolism was intended? Yes.

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masster blaster wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Venomous Snake wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Leviathan won't be a big reveleation, just confirmed by Mike Gamble. Leviathan DLC will NOT change any of the endings, it will only give you more information about the Reapers.

Wait for future DLCs, no?


Lol you're a bit ignorant aren't you ;)

It can be a huge revelation without "changing" the ending though we know the ending is changed as there's more dialogue and stuff. You're wrong :)


Why use the word Ignorant when you don't know what it means? :huh:

Leviathan is going to be what everyone expect, the first Reaper- which is the creator of the Catalyst. He gained the acknowledgement and self-awareness, whereas other Reapers are all under the control of the Catalyst. Leviathan disagreed with it's methods, and killed one reaper- and fled the scene, only to hide until this event. 

Massive-revelations based on common sense and pre-statements made by the Catalyst. It's all spoiler-based, and we might get more information on the "Creators" , but expecting some plot-twist scenario and grandeur of smacktalk with the Catalyst is just desperate and delusional. 

Mike Gamble even stated, and confirmed that they won't 'change' the endings, as in- the "FU Catalyst" child won't result in a victory, all endings will remain the same, you might get some banter, but it'll be pointless in the end. Bioware themself have said that the Shepard journey is now concluded with the ending you recieved in EC.

Why do people persist on still strangling onto their fictional story to become canon, because it's not going to happend, and I honestly wish some people would see this already, it's basic 101 business stuff. 

"Big Revelations, and important-story arc and conclussion to the ME3 Endings, for yours only for the bargain price of 10$!" SUPPPPPERRRRRRRR :police:


Does it have to change the ending? Is it possible it could shed more light on some details about the ending without changing it? You might not be ignorant but you are sure being naive.


During the demo of the Leviathan. Gamble said that there could be some easter eggs at the end, but he could be trying to get us on to buy the dlc.


Well, we KNOW that there will be new dialogue with the Catalyst.  The leaked script confirms that.  And if Leviathan tells us something very different about the origins of the Reapers than what the Catalyst tells us, we'll know something is up.


Yes but bioware will cover up their tracks, and until the MP story line, and all mp/sp dlc are out. They will not tell us weather IT is right or wrong, until this is all has come to pass.


Yeah, I know they won't reveal IT until the last DLC (Most likely.), but I'm just saying that now is probably when they're going to start adding little hints (Other than what we've already found.) that something else is going on.

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I hope BioWare realizes that with the amount of spoilers you guys post here everyday soon there won't be any sense in releasing the DLC. They'd better hurry up.

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I hope BioWare realizes that with the amount of spoilers you guys post here everyday soon there won't be any sense in releasing the DLC. They'd better hurry up.


I don't know about that, but every day Bioware keeps telling us that it's up to us to see the endings in our own way, is causing them bad press, and fans are leaving/telling Bioware, and EA that they suck, and don't know how to right a good story. Like they could to. I really hope that whatever is Bioware is planing they hurry up a bit to.

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Fingertrip wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Leviathan won't be a big reveleation, just confirmed by Mike Gamble. Leviathan DLC will NOT change any of the endings, it will only give you more information about the Reapers.

Wait for future DLCs, no?


Lol you're a bit ignorant aren't you ;)

It can be a huge revelation without "changing" the ending though we know the ending is changed as there's more dialogue and stuff. You're wrong :)


Why use the word Ignorant when you don't know what it means? :huh:

Leviathan is going to be what everyone expect, the first Reaper- which is the creator of the Catalyst. He gained the acknowledgement and self-awareness, whereas other Reapers are all under the control of the Catalyst. Leviathan disagreed with it's methods, and killed one reaper- and fled the scene, only to hide until this event. 

Massive-revelations based on common sense and pre-statements made by the Catalyst. It's all spoiler-based, and we might get more information on the "Creators" , but expecting some plot-twist scenario and grandeur of smacktalk with the Catalyst is just desperate and delusional. 

Mike Gamble even stated, and confirmed that they won't 'change' the endings, as in- the "FU Catalyst" child won't result in a victory, all endings will remain the same, you might get some banter, but it'll be pointless in the end. Bioware themself have said that the Shepard journey is now concluded with the ending you recieved in EC.

Why do people persist on still strangling onto their fictional story to become canon, because it's not going to happend, and I honestly wish some people would see this already, it's basic 101 business stuff. 

"Big Revelations, and important-story arc and conclussion to the ME3 Endings, for yours only for the bargain price of 10$!" SUPPPPPERRRRRRRR :police:


Lol you act like you know what everything will contain. You're wrong you don't know for certain what's going to happen and by calling us delusional you come across as a ****.

Ignoring everyone and everything ignoring everything everyone says I's being ignorant  wanker wanker