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[Andromidius]

It was trending further and further in that direction, yes. In the end, TIM was nearly completely under Reaper control - though not fully, as again you can make him shoot himself. Which means Starbinger's smug statement that TIM was under their control could actually be taken with a grain of salt, they lost control of him in the end.

[Xilizhra]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Hey! Here's the real plot twist! The other plot twist was just a lie so you'd make the wrong decision! YOU FOOL HAHAHAHAHA

AKA bad storytelling. I won't wholly discount IT, but it can't come from just one ending. It's entirely too dismissive of anyone who picked a different choice.

Pretty much my reasoning.

I also have difficulty accepting any theory that requires me to believe that the entirety of the Extended Cut epilogue scenes were released purely to deceive people, not to mention the release of an intentionally incomplete game.

Indeed. Bioware won't outright discount IT, probably, because there's no need to make people deliberately angrier, but they won't canonize it for the same reasons.

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

Hey! Here's the real plot twist! The other plot twist was just a lie so you'd make the wrong decision! YOU FOOL HAHAHAHAHA

AKA bad storytelling. I won't wholly discount IT, but it can't come from just one ending. It's entirely too dismissive of anyone who picked a different choice.

Why are you still here?

[Xilizhra]

Rifneno wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Hey! Here's the real plot twist! The other plot twist was just a lie so you'd make the wrong decision! YOU FOOL HAHAHAHAHA

AKA bad storytelling. I won't wholly discount IT, but it can't come from just one ending. It's entirely too dismissive of anyone who picked a different choice.

Why are you still here?

I enjoy exchanges of opinions. Also, you refuse to talk to me on AIM.

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Hey! Here's the real plot twist! The other plot twist was just a lie so you'd make the wrong decision! YOU FOOL HAHAHAHAHA

AKA bad storytelling. I won't wholly discount IT, but it can't come from just one ending. It's entirely too dismissive of anyone who picked a different choice.

Why are you still here?

I enjoy exchanges of opinions. Also, you refuse to talk to me on AIM.

I don't really see the point since you'll wind up getting the conversation to IT like always, and like always handwaving anything that supports it.  My blood pressure doesn't need it to be honest.

[Skillz1986]

Damn it. Collectors on gold are way too overpowered. Data hack10th wave..there were about 50 freakin' praetorians (exegeration of course) but man..they just kept coming.
Ot: i think rif is right aboit tim being already indoctrinated in me2..he certainly was at the end...

[Restrider]

Andromidius wrote...

It was trending further and further in that direction, yes. In the end, TIM was nearly completely under Reaper control - though not fully, as again you can make him shoot himself. Which means Starbinger's smug statement that TIM was under their control could actually be taken with a grain of salt, they lost control of him in the end.

The same goes with Saren and Benezia to some extent.
@ the Synthesis folks
It is no problem that you post in this thread, but don't try to divert the current discussion about TIM into one of those huge Synthesis vs. IT arguments again. And before you start calling me a hypocrite, a majority of the IT supporters, including myself, had nothing to do with the events in the support threads.

[Ithurael]

Xilizhra wrote...

Indeed. Bioware won't outright discount IT, probably, because there's no need to make people deliberately angrier, but they won't canonize it for the same reasons.

IT is a valid interpretation. It really truly is. Bioware wanted the ending to be open enough that we have speculations and many interpretations about the ending to keep us talking. IT is just as valid an interpretation as the deception theory, the brown explosion, or the literalst theory.

[Restrider]

Ithurael wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Indeed. Bioware won't outright discount IT, probably, because there's no need to make people deliberately angrier, but they won't canonize it for the same reasons.

IT is a valid interpretation. It really truly is. Bioware wanted the ending to be open enough that we have speculations and many interpretations about the ending to keep us talking. IT is just as valid an interpretation as the deception theory, the brown explosion, or the literalst theory.

WTH is the brown explosion?

[Xilizhra]

Ithurael wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Indeed. Bioware won't outright discount IT, probably, because there's no need to make people deliberately angrier, but they won't canonize it for the same reasons.

IT is a valid interpretation. It really truly is. Bioware wanted the ending to be open enough that we have speculations and many interpretations about the ending to keep us talking. IT is just as valid an interpretation as the deception theory, the brown explosion, or the literalst theory.

Which is fine if that's the way it stays. But to call for canonizing your own theory at the expense of others' playthroughs isn't something I particularly feel like letting stand.

[Ithurael]

Restrider wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Indeed. Bioware won't outright discount IT, probably, because there's no need to make people deliberately angrier, but they won't canonize it for the same reasons.

IT is a valid interpretation. It really truly is. Bioware wanted the ending to be open enough that we have speculations and many interpretations about the ending to keep us talking. IT is just as valid an interpretation as the deception theory, the brown explosion, or the literalst theory.

WTH is the brown explosion?

Best.Ending.Ever
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13301321/1#13301321

[masster blaster]

I guess I did more damage to the Synthesis thread then I thought. Not trying to sound rude, but no synthesiser ever came on here until I went there and posted what I came up with, and posted top ten IT.

So sorry guys.

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Indeed. Bioware won't outright discount IT, probably, because there's no need to make people deliberately angrier, but they won't canonize it for the same reasons.

IT is a valid interpretation. It really truly is. Bioware wanted the ending to be open enough that we have speculations and many interpretations about the ending to keep us talking. IT is just as valid an interpretation as the deception theory, the brown explosion, or the literalst theory.

Which is fine if that's the way it stays. But to call for canonizing your own theory at the expense of others' playthroughs isn't something I particularly feel like letting stand.

No one cares.

[Andromidius]

Xilizhra wrote...

Which is fine if that's the way it stays. But to call for canonizing your own theory at the expense of others' playthroughs isn't something I particularly feel like letting stand.

Pay attention.  Most of us don't do that at all.

If you read the thread you'd know this.

[Ithurael]

masster blaster wrote...

I guess I did more damage to the Synthesis thread then I thought. Not trying to sound rude, but no synthesiser ever came on here until I went there and posted what I came up with, and posted top ten IT.

So sorry guys.

Synthesis does enough damage to itself - it didn't need any help from you.

[KyreneZA]

Andromidius wrote...

It was trending further and further in that direction, yes. In the end, TIM was nearly completely under Reaper control - though not fully, as again you can make him shoot himself. Which means Starbinger's smug statement that TIM was under their control could actually be taken with a grain of salt, they lost control of him in the end.

False. TIM never shot himself. At least not if IT is true...

[Restrider]

Kyrene wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

It was trending further and further in that direction, yes. In the end, TIM was nearly completely under Reaper control - though not fully, as again you can make him shoot himself. Which means Starbinger's smug statement that TIM was under their control could actually be taken with a grain of salt, they lost control of him in the end.

False. TIM never shot himself. At least not if IT is true...

I think TIM deserves better than such an end (though it was not as Shepard's end in a literal POV). I hope that TIM/Cerberus will actually provide us with something truly important.

[Xilizhra]

Pay attention. Most of us don't do that at all.

If you read the thread you'd know this.

Indeed? Most of you don't believe that Control or Synthesis are losses? I did not know this.

Synthesis does enough damage to itself - it didn't need any help from you.

In any case, he just opened up a line of exchange between our groups. And I'm not actually a Synthesizer, though I do sympathize with that choice more than I do Destroy.

[Lyria]

So there were some Synthesis shenanigans? Huh, so what did MB do?

Brown explosion. Lol.

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Which is fine if that's the way it stays. But to call for canonizing your own theory at the expense of others' playthroughs isn't something I particularly feel like letting stand.

Pay attention.  Most of us don't do that at all.

If you read the thread you'd know this.

Actually, most of us do feel that way.  You probably misunderstood her.  She means she won't accept BW eventually going the IT route because canonizing IT would invalidate that retarded synthesis nonsense.  Same problem most literalists have: they refuse to accept that they ****ed up and got indoctrinated.  So IT must be wrong.  Because clearly tree bark with wires in it is the logical conclusion. 

[Xilizhra]

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Which is fine if that's the way it stays. But to call for canonizing your own theory at the expense of others' playthroughs isn't something I particularly feel like letting stand.

Pay attention.  Most of us don't do that at all.

If you read the thread you'd know this.

Actually, most of us do feel that way.  You probably misunderstood her.  She means she won't accept BW eventually going the IT route because canonizing IT would invalidate that retarded synthesis nonsense.  Same problem most literalists have: they refuse to accept that they ****ed up and got indoctrinated.  So IT must be wrong.  Because clearly tree bark with wires in it is the logical conclusion. 

You know, blatant logical fallacies don't actually make you cool. And I'm not against IT, just against it making only one choice valid. Hell, even Refuse is valid for some people, and I prefer it that way. There's no point in making trap options at the very end of the game; that should only be the case for minor branches like sleeping with Morinth, that you can reload after.

So there were some Synthesis shenanigans? Huh, so what did MB do?

Posted IT stuff in the Synthesis thread, hence opening up a line of communication between our respective groups. Even though I prefer Control for the time being, I've been lumped into the Synthesis group; this may be because Control and Synthesis people tend to get along better than other groups do.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 11 octobre 2012 - 03:30 .

[demersel]

Xilizhra wrote...
 this may be because Control and Synthesis people tend to get along better than other groups do.

gee, and why would that be....? 

[Andromidius]

Xilizhra wrote...
Indeed? Most of you don't believe that Control or Synthesis are losses? I did not know this.

/slowclap

Thank you for demonstrating your skills of twisting words to suit your own purpose.  Bravo.  Real pro.

Now go actually read this thread and come back with a valid opinion.

[Xilizhra]

gee, and why would that be....?

Less violence.

/slowclap

Thank you for demonstrating your skills of twisting words to suit your own purpose. Bravo. Real pro.

Now go actually read this thread and come back with a valid opinion.

Well, I could read 1000+ pages, or I could just ask you to clarify your stance here and now. Or even just give me a link to what you meant.