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[demersel]

Xilizhra wrote...

I happen to be preserving life in its current form. And what I'm saying is that my choice is consistent with what I've done before, and I believe the risk is worth taking. I trust my own thoughts/memories enough to do so, at least when genocide is the other option.

yep - exactly the reaper logic i was pointing out. You really can't see it? 

[spotlessvoid]

Lol. You just can't give up on this naive idea that all choices should be valid because everyone is a beautiful and unique snowflake and if it's their choice it has to be honored. Thinking you're doing the right thing isn't the same as doing the right thing. You had your goals realigned to one of two people under Reaper indoctrination. Six months later and you still hold on dearly

[Xilizhra]

demersel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I happen to be preserving life in its current form. And what I'm saying is that my choice is consistent with what I've done before, and I believe the risk is worth taking. I trust my own thoughts/memories enough to do so, at least when genocide is the other option.

yep - exactly the reaper logic i was pointing out. You really can't see it? 

What, that my logic is more Reaperish than genocide? No, I'm not really seeing that. Elaborate?

Lol. You just can't give up on this naive idea that all choices should
be valid because everyone is a beautiful and unique snowflake and if
it's their choice it has to be honored. Thinking you're doing the right
thing isn't the same as doing the right thing. You had your goals
realigned to one of two people under Reaper indoctrination. Six months
later and you still hold on dearly

Oh, this is rich. You yourself want to ensure that your side consists of the only special snowflakes. I'm sure you'd not be taking this attitude if Bioware announced that Synthesis would be canon.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 11 octobre 2012 - 04:31 .

[masster blaster]

I see Shepard as a dictator in Control. The way both in paragon, and renegad reaper Shepard are expressed sound to me " If you don't follow my rules you will be harvest."

Also what ever happence to the kid in Synthesis, and Control

Yes in Control he " gives up his set of power", but does he die, or what?

As for Synthesis I don't have a clue if the child is even there. He wasn't going to die or nothing so shouldn't he be narrating, and not EDI, since it was he that wanted synthesis.

That's all if you take the endings at fact value, but this is a plot hole if not any, as is Anderson on the memorial wall at the end.

[Restrider]

DesioPL wrote...

I belive this theory for few reasons.

1: I think, this is imposible, that Shepard survive Harbringer beam.

2: Shepard dreams, about the boy.

3: Shepard motivation about the events, like Mordin, Legion, Thane, Ashley / Kaidan deaths.

4: Motivation about what happend on Earth.

5: Back to ME1, possible indoctrination by Sovregein.

6: Back to ME2. Object Rho would start this process.

7: I don't know is some mention this. But if Shepard not indoctrinated, so why only see this... "God Child"

8: Not sure, but the Shepard implants after the Project Lazarus ?

I think you could be interested in this and that.

[Xilizhra]

Also what ever happence to the kid in Synthesis, and Control

Yes in Control he " gives up his set of power", but does he die, or what?

As for Synthesis I don't have a clue if the child is even there. He wasn't going to die or nothing so shouldn't he be narrating, and not EDI, since it was he that wanted synthesis.

The Catalyst is deleted in Control. It's less clear in Synthesis, but I think it's... expended, somehow; Synthesis doesn't seem to give it any better understanding of organics, and I think either the Citadel explodes or the Catalyst is deleted there too.

[spotlessvoid]

" Oh, this is rich. You yourself want to ensure that your side consists of the only special snowflakes. I'm sure you'd not be taking this attitude if Bioware announced that Synthesis would be canon."

Uh NO. Bioware wrote the endings, not me. I just realized that they foreshadowed what choice was right the entire series. And synthesis is galactic rape. If Bioware ever chose that they would be dead to me. A LOT more people hate synthesis than dislike destroy.

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

Where do you get off, assuming that you deserve extra-special validation because only your side made the right choice? You couldn't live with yourself, killing off the geth, so you invented this mental maze to make yourself feel better?

LOL.  Just LOL.

[Andromidius]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Lol. You just can't give up on this naive idea that all choices should be valid because everyone is a beautiful and unique snowflake and if it's their choice it has to be honored. Thinking you're doing the right thing isn't the same as doing the right thing. You had your goals realigned to one of two people under Reaper indoctrination. Six months later and you still hold on dearly

Funny thing is, Control wouldn't seem so bad if it wasn't for one detail.

Shepard has to die, and put all his/her trust into the Reapers that they'll behave.

Now if the Catalyst had said, "Okay, you can be in charge now, we'll take orders from you" that would still be fishy.  But not as blatantly obvious.

Its never explained WHY Shepard has to die and be copied into a Reaper program to achieve Control.  Not even a handwave comment.  Oh, of course Shepard has to die to become the Reaper leader!  Isn't it obvious?

Same with Synthesis.  Sorry, can't you take a blood sample?  Apperently not.  Shepard has to die.

The only option where Shepard isn't told they will die is Destroy, instead Shepard is threatened with death (and I suppose Refuse as well, but hey).  Don't do it because you'll die!  Even though you'll die if you do the other things, but those are good deaths, honest!

Hilarious stuff, honestly.  I wonder how many of these people will fall for the Nigerian General asking for your bank account details to transfer funds to you for safe keeping?

[Xilizhra]

spotlessvoid wrote...

" Oh, this is rich. You yourself want to ensure that your side consists of the only special snowflakes. I'm sure you'd not be taking this attitude if Bioware announced that Synthesis would be canon."

Uh NO. Bioware wrote the endings, not me. I just realized that they foreshadowed what choice was right the entire series. And synthesis is galactic rape. If Bioware ever chose that they would be dead to me. A LOT more people hate synthesis than dislike destroy.

So you claim. So I doubt. But in that case, I'm tempted to say "bring it on:" I'd love to see the reaction that'd be had to Bioware saying that Synthesis would be canon.

[spotlessvoid]

Xilizhra wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

" Oh, this is rich. You yourself want to ensure that your side consists of the only special snowflakes. I'm sure you'd not be taking this attitude if Bioware announced that Synthesis would be canon."

Uh NO. Bioware wrote the endings, not me. I just realized that they foreshadowed what choice was right the entire series. And synthesis is galactic rape. If Bioware ever chose that they would be dead to me. A LOT more people hate synthesis than dislike destroy.

So you claim. So I doubt. But in that case, I'm tempted to say "bring it on:" I'd love to see the reaction that'd be had to Bioware saying that Synthesis would be canon.

Why do you want to see Bioware burn?

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Where do you get off, assuming that you deserve extra-special validation because only your side made the right choice? You couldn't live with yourself, killing off the geth, so you invented this mental maze to make yourself feel better?

LOL.  Just LOL.

Indeed.  Before I knew about IT I still picked Destroy.  I sacrificed the Geth, despite not wanting to, because I knew it was the only choice.  I knew they were willing non-functionality to oppose the Reapers.

What I wasn't happy with was the cheap way the trilogy ended, the last second antogonist, and Shepard nodding along like a dim-witted moron after butchering his way through London to get to where he is now.

And I was angry.  I didn't look for alternatives, I wanted to vent my rage at how terrible the ending was.  If Destroy happened because of my actions fighting Starbinger and it wasn't offered to me on a plate I'd have been satisfied.

And then I found out about IT, and it made more sense.

[spotlessvoid]

Here is an absolute fact:

You will never, ever, ever convince a single person in this thread that synthesis is valid. Shoo

[Xilizhra]

Why do you want to see Bioware burn?

The entirety of Bioware? I seriously doubt it. It wouldn't have to be Synthesis by Shepard's choice, just something that would come about in the future, hence removing the "galactic rape" complaints.

You will never, ever, ever convince a single person in this thread that synthesis is valid. Shoo

Ask a mod to ban me from this thread if you want.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 11 octobre 2012 - 04:42 .

[Restrider]

Guys! I remade the poll to match the colours. So vote again, please.

[spotlessvoid]

Xilizhra wrote...

Why do you want to see Bioware burn?

The entirety of Bioware? I seriously doubt it. It wouldn't have to be Synthesis by Shepard's choice, just something that would come about in the future, hence removing the "galactic rape" complaints.

When ME4:Synthesis falls flat on its face and has pitiful sales, then EA will dismantle that team like they always do

[demersel]

Andromidius wrote...

Its never explained WHY Shepard has to die and be copied into a Reaper program to achieve Control.  Not even a handwave comment.  Oh, of course Shepard has to die to become the Reaper leader!  Isn't it obvious?

Same with Synthesis.  Sorry, can't you take a blood sample?  Apperently not.  Shepard has to die.

The only option where Shepard isn't told they will die is Destroy, instead Shepard is threatened with death (and I suppose Refuse as well, but hey).  Don't do it because you'll die!  Even though you'll die if you do the other things, but those are good deaths, honest!

Hilarious stuff, honestly.  I wonder how many of these people will fall for the Nigerian General asking for your bank account details to transfer funds to you for safe keeping?

Actually - we do have a perfect rig for controlling an entire synthetic race, and it is perfectly human compatible, and it works 100% - it is the overlord rig, that is used in the Overlord DLC AND in ME3 in geth dreadnaught mission - it is the same system - so why could there not be an upscaled version of it to control all reapers, but instead you do this by getting electrocuted? 

[masster blaster]

Wait you think the Catalyst is deleted. Um did he say he was going to, no the Catalayst say " You will control US.." as in the Reapers, and me. Yet I find it hard that the Catalyst will let Shepard Control the Reapers.

Also why does the camera focues on the Catalyst grinning or some smile on his face when Shepard picks Control.

" I got you in my trap that's what."

I think the Catalyst is thinking that.

[Andromidius]

demersel wrote...
Actually - we do have a perfect rig for controlling an entire synthetic race, and it is perfectly human compatible, and it works 100% - it is the overlord rig, that is used in the Overlord DLC AND in ME3 in geth dreadnaught mission - it is the same system - so why could there not be an upscaled version of it to control all reapers, but instead you do this by getting electrocuted? 

Yep.  And the very same machine is condemned as being evil.

Coincidence?  Apperently so.

[Xilizhra]

masster blaster wrote...

Wait you think the Catalyst is deleted. Um did he say he was going to, no the Catalayst say " You will control US.." as in the Reapers, and me. Yet I find it hard that the Catalyst will let Shepard Control the Reapers.

Also why does the camera focues on the Catalyst grinning or some smile on his face when Shepard picks Control.

" I got you in my trap that's what."

I think the Catalyst is thinking that.

The Catalyst wasn't smiling, so far as I could tell. And the Catalyst frequently refers to itself as "we," meaning the Reapers as a whole. What I meant is that the Catalyst hardware will all remain, but the personality and mission of the original Catalyst will be replaced with Shepard's.

[Ithurael]

spotlessvoid wrote...


When ME4:Synthesis falls flat on its face and has pitiful sales, then EA will dismantle that team like they always do

Are they not doing that now?

[spotlessvoid]

" Ask a mod to ban me from this thread if you want."


Or we could just crush your puny arguments all over the bsn. You want to get a bunch of people coming to your threads and pounding your weak arguments into the ground? No rest for the indoctrinated. Why don't you go ****** in your own sandbox

[masster blaster]

Also Xil really I guess the Catalyst died in Synthesis. Their should be no way a beam of green energu that only changes DNA should Destroy the Citadel.

I can see Destroy, but Control all it does is gain Control of the Reapers, and no Citadel blowing up.

In Literal sense it makes no sense. IT it does.

[Xilizhra]

spotlessvoid wrote...

" Ask a mod to ban me from this thread if you want."


Or we could just crush your puny arguments all over the bsn. You want to get a bunch of people coming to your threads and pounding your weak arguments into the ground? No rest for the indoctrinated. Why don't you go ****** in your own sandbox

[demersel]

Ithurael wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...


When ME4:Synthesis falls flat on its face and has pitiful sales, then EA will dismantle that team like they always do

Are they not doing that now?

TOS was a much bigger failure than ME3.   
frankly, ME3 was a huge success. 

And you know, with DAII being labeled a mediocre game, and TOS having failed - the ME franchise is the only 100% hit franchise they've got at the moment. And that is all thanks to Casey Hudson and his team - ME is his pet project, as was KoTOR before - and look what happened -  the MMO sequel to KoTOR made with out his involvement - tanked. The DA game that tried to copy ME's formula, without his involvement - was worse than the first DA game, and seriously damaged the franchise. 

Yes the founders have gone. But that is likely to be because of the TOR or other reasons- yet Casey Hudson is still in Bioware, and he's making another ME game, AS WELL AS leading the development of an entirely new franchise (another pet project)