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[Xilizhra]

So it is boiling down to what you wnat and not what the narrative supports?

Every attempt at controlling the Reapers has failed and has ended up with the Indoctrination of the group trying it, be that TIM or the Protheans.

Both the Protheans and the current cycle tried to control the Rachni and failed.
The Quarians tried to control the Geth and failed.
Cerberus tried to create a way to control the Geth (Overlord)...and failed.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Hell even the Reapers have failed in their control at times, though usualy outside stimuli causes that.

Also a sledgehammer is bad analogy. There is little simplicity in how he united an entire Galaxy to create a force able to stand up against the Reapers. If anything that is more important in the narrative than how we stop the Reapers because it is that Alliance that gives us a fighting chance in the first place.

Indeed the alliance does. That's irrelevant. The way things have been set up, there are other means of defeating the Reapers than destroying them, and I want to pursue those. In an ideal sense, I may just have allowed for choosing between destroying and freeing the Reapers, without the rest of the baggage of Synthesis, but I'm working with what I've got.

[spotlessvoid]

Xilizhra wrote...

HAI SHEPARD I AM THE REAPER AI, PICK SYNTHESIS LOL, TOTALLY LEGIT

Yes, because completely different things must be identically evil just because they use a few of the same ideas in a vague sense.

the ai created the cycles lol

[demersel]

Xilizhra wrote...
If I'm indoctrinated, I'll have realized it if IT is canonized. If IT is not canonized, then I've not been indoctrinated and did in fact succeed.

So basicly you're only doing what you're told?  You're a husk, my friend. Somebody pushes a button - you roar. Forever. Or you'll explode one day, if you're lucky. 

[Xilizhra]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

HAI SHEPARD I AM THE REAPER AI, PICK SYNTHESIS LOL, TOTALLY LEGIT

Yes, because completely different things must be identically evil just because they use a few of the same ideas in a vague sense.

the ai created the cycles lol

And has now chosen to end them. Circumstances change.

So basicly you're only doing what you're told?

I will do, as always, what is necessary to preserve life. I don't have an ego-based need to prove the Catalyst wrong.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 11 octobre 2012 - 07:30 .

[spotlessvoid]

" . In an ideal sense"

what world do you live in? Of course the Reapers play off your ideals. They don't come with "rawr wanna be evil too"

[demersel]

Xilizhra wrote...

So basicly you're only doing what you're told?

I will do, as always, what is necessary to preserve life. I don't have an ego-based need to prove the Catalyst wrong.

Is that a yes? 

[Xilizhra]

spotlessvoid wrote...

" . In an ideal sense"

what world do you live in? Of course the Reapers play off your ideals. They don't come with "rawr wanna be evil too"

In an ideal scenario, I mean. Were I creating the game, the choices I'd make probably would have been between destuction and freedom.

Is that a yes?

What I've been told or recommended is irrelevant.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 11 octobre 2012 - 07:32 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

Xilizhra wrote...

HAI SHEPARD I AM THE REAPER AI, PICK SYNTHESIS LOL, TOTALLY LEGIT

Yes, because completely different things must be identically evil just because they use a few of the same ideas in a vague sense.

A vague sense? It's exactly the same thing.


“Evolution cannot be stopped.”

“They will be as we are.”

“We are your genetic destiny.”

“Embrace perfection.”

You're just too blind to see that this exactly what the "catalyst" is suggesting. He's presenting it in a more favourable light.

Codex: A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends,
trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe.
Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the
resulting chaos can bring down nations.

[spotlessvoid]

" Iwill do, as always, what is necessary to preserve life. I don't have an ego-based need to prove the Catalyst wrong."


Ego? Lol. You're the one who's ego can't own up to having been fooled

[ajk_Jack]

demersel wrote...
A masterpiece. I really wish I would be able to create something on the similiar scale of awesomness. 

Wait - is that even POSSIBLE?

[Xilizhra]

You're just too blind to see that this exactly what the "catalyst" is suggesting. He's presenting it in a more favourable light.

Synthesis is not the same thing as the Reaper state. That state is a static evolutionary dead-end; evolution and advancement continues in Synthesis, as we can see from the epilogues. It's also not perfection.

Ego? Lol. You're the one who's ego can't own up to having been fooled

I've never been fooled. IT doesn't exist in the reality of the ME universe as of now.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 11 octobre 2012 - 07:34 .

[demersel]

ajk_Jack wrote...

demersel wrote...
A masterpiece. I really wish I would be able to create something on the similiar scale of awesomness. 

Wait - is that even POSSIBLE?

I aim high. 

[spotlessvoid]

" In an ideal scenario, I mean. Were I creating the game, the choices I'd make probably would have been between destuction and freedom."


Now that's imaginative.


Plus, by what means to you plan on obtaining freedom? Asking the Reapers nicely? Picketing?

[spotlessvoid]

Xilizhra wrote...

You're just too blind to see that this exactly what the "catalyst" is suggesting. He's presenting it in a more favourable light.

Synthesis is not the same thing as the Reaper state. That state is a static evolutionary dead-end; evolution and advancement continues in Synthesis, as we can see from the epilogues. It's also not perfection.

Ego? Lol. You're the one who's ego can't own up to having been fooled

I've never been fooled. IT doesn't exist in the reality of the ME universe as of now.

Judgment day is coming. Bioware is obviously way too clever for you.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Xilizhra wrote...

You're just too blind to see that this exactly what the "catalyst" is suggesting. He's presenting it in a more favourable light.

Synthesis is not the same thing as the Reaper state. That state is a static evolutionary dead-end; evolution and advancement continues in Synthesis, as we can see from the epilogues. It's also not perfection.

Do you even pay attention to the game?

Child: "Organics seek perfection through technology. Synthetics seek perfection through understanding. Organics will be perfected by integrating fully with Synthetic technology. "

"EMBRACE PERFECTION"

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 11 octobre 2012 - 07:39 .

[demersel]

Xilizhra wrote...
I've never been fooled. 

 ТЫ_ДЫЩЬ :O 
can't..... stop....laughting......

[Xilizhra]

Plus, by what means to you plan on obtaining freedom? Asking the Reapers nicely? Picketing?

Freeing the Reapers from their cycle programming.

Judgment day is coming. Bioware is obviously way too clever for you.

That's why I have insurance. But we shall see.

Do you even pay attention to the game?

Child: "Organics seek perfection through technology. Synthetics seek perfection through understanding. Organics will be perfected fully by integrating fully with Synthetic technology. "

"EMBRACE PERFECTION"

Different sense. Harbinger is referring to the Reaper form, the Catalyst speaks of something quite different. It's a perfection of the organic matrix in that one sense, but not a complete perfection of organic life.

[Lyria]

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Ithurael wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno, do you really kick volus players out of the lobby?

Volus are OP. They keep taking all the kills.

I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm.  I tried a volus today.  It kind of sucked.

I just played with one on gold and he ended on top of the scoreboard. Like everything you just need practice and a good team. Have you guys seen that thread? a guy solo'ed Platinum with the adept 

HOLY SHISNO!  Seriously?  No, seriously?  That's... wow.  I guess I need to practice more.  I mean... holy shisno.

To be fair, he used a Cerberus Harrier X. It took him 78mins. Lol.

In that tread is a pick of a reaperesque volus.

[Rifneno]

demersel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Face it, you're indoctrinated. You lost the game.

I have lost nothing. If IT is ever canonized, I will have realized my own indoctrination and chosen the path I've been led around by the nose to by the blatantly unimaginative narrative. If it's not, which I suspect is more likely, I will have saved the galaxy with no extra losses far better than you did in your own misguided paranoia.

And now you sound exaclty like the illusive man in the citadel sequence. 

Nonsense.  TIM made some intelligent arguments.  Xil sounds like one of those creationists who thinks God made the universe 10,000 years ago and all the carbon dating on dinosaur bones is wrong because shut up her way is best.  If I didn't know her from the DA boards, I'd swear she was trolling.

[ajk_Jack]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

You're just too blind to see that this exactly what the "catalyst" is suggesting. He's presenting it in a more favourable light.

Synthesis is not the same thing as the Reaper state. That state is a static evolutionary dead-end; evolution and advancement continues in Synthesis, as we can see from the epilogues. It's also not perfection.

Do you even pay attention to the game?

Child: "Organics seek perfection through technology. Synthetics seek perfection through understanding. Organics will be perfected by integrating fully with Synthetic technology. "

"EMBRACE PERFECTION"

I second that. Organics + Synthetics = Perfection

[Xilizhra]

Xil sounds like one of those creationists who thinks God made the universe 10,000 years ago and all the carbon dating on dinosaur bones is wrong because shut up her way is best.

Pot, kettle...

[DoomsdayDevice]

Xilizhra wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Do you even pay attention to the game?

Child: "Organics seek perfection through technology. Synthetics seek perfection through understanding. Organics will be perfected by integrating fully with Synthetic technology. "

"EMBRACE PERFECTION"

Different sense. Harbinger is referring to the Reaper form, the Catalyst speaks of something quite different. It's a perfection of the organic matrix in that one sense, but not a complete perfection of organic life.

Which part of "Organics will be perfected" didn't you understand?

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 11 octobre 2012 - 07:44 .

[demersel]

Rifneno wrote...
Nonsense.  TIM made some intelligent arguments.  Xil sounds like one of those creationists who thinks God made the universe 10,000 years ago and all the carbon dating on dinosaur bones is wrong because shut up her way is best.  If I didn't know her from the DA boards, I'd swear she was trolling.

I already corrected myself - downgraded her level to a huskhead collectable. )))

[Xilizhra]

Which part of "Organics will be perfected" didn't you understand?

None. Which part of the epilogue saying that they're still advancing, hence changing, hence aren't perfect, did you not understand?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Edit: Double Dragon top, woot

Xilizhra wrote...

Do you even pay attention to the game?

Child: "Organics seek perfection through technology. Synthetics seek perfection through understanding. Organics will be perfected fully by integrating fully with Synthetic technology. "

"EMBRACE PERFECTION"

Different sense. Harbinger is referring to the Reaper form, the Catalyst speaks of something quite different. It's a perfection of the organic matrix in that one sense, but not a complete perfection of organic life.

And from where do you know that?

Harbinger and Sovereign specifically talks about Reapers as, "The pinnacle of Evolution."

Perfection to a Reapers is quite clearly a Reaper and the only one telling you this Synthesis is different is the AI which supposedly created the Reapers.

Yep, most trustworthy source ever.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 11 octobre 2012 - 07:43 .