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[DoomsdayDevice]

Xilizhra wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Which part of "Organics will be perfected" didn't you understand?

None.
Which part of the epilogue saying that they're still advancing, hence
changing, hence aren't perfect, did you not understand?

You mean the part where you're in the happy Reaper matrix.

So
you may interpret. So the game has not shown, and thus has not enabled
you to use as a valid argument. As of now, this remains in the fanon
stage.

IT is not fanon. It is the only interpretation that is fully based on and consistent with in-game lore. Stop throwing out that kind of flame bait.

Now take your trolling elsewhere.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 11 octobre 2012 - 08:09 .

[demersel]

Kyrene wrote...

Here's a thought: what if the post-Harbinger laser stuff is just Shepard's dying thoughts? Has that possibility been analysed yet?

Yes. And it is basicly called The Indoctrination Theory. Somewhere there was a thread on that...

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Xilizhra wrote...

None of them would place any trust in the 'complete information' provided to you by the freaking REAPER OVERLORD. You even see Anderson choosing destroy.

I see a potential vision of him doing so; that's not the same thing. And whether or not they would is an open question, but I believe some would.

Leviathan spells it all out.

The power of illusion that the Reapers have. The mind control scene that EXACTLY mirrors the first moment in the decision chamber.

You're just too blind to see it.

I'm not going to see it as proof until the game itself proves it. Until then, I have no reason to change things.

Never showed Synthesis...

Not in that manner. But if you want to pull that card, Shepard is partially synthetic, and was rebuilt as a fusion of flesh and steel as well. That worked out very well.

One example of success among a dozen nightmares.

Also I would argue Shepards case is slightly different. The synthetic parts applied to him were necesities for his revival. That they improved him is a sideffect of that.

But Overlord, the Reapers and their creations was from the ground build to be synthetic and flesh intertwined.

[spotlessvoid]

Kyrene wrote...

Here's a thought: what if the post-Harbinger laser stuff is just Shepard's dying thoughts? Has that possibility been analysed yet?

Breath scene

[ajk_Jack]

plfranke wrote...

Why do you guys continue to argue with this person. You're never going to enlighten them out of their stupidity. Just let it go so they can leave and go start new threads like, "Will Harbinger Start A Charity Organization For The Re-building of Earth In Paragon Control?"

No one needs to make a thread about Harby's generosity. It's self-evident. 

[Xilizhra]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

IT is not fanon. It is the only interpretation that is fully based on and consistent with in-game lore. Stop throwing out that kind of flame bait.

Now take your trolling elsewhere.

IT has no direct in-game basis and is wholly interpretive, with no objective proof. Certainly it's possible, if contradicted by the epilogues, but is very far from a fact. It is fanon.

[Rifneno]

spotlessvoid wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Why do you guys continue to argue with this person. You're never going to enlighten them out of their stupidity. Just let it go so they can leave and go start new threads like, "Will Harbinger Start A Charity Organization For The Re-building of Earth In Paragon Control?"

ha!  

"this helps you"

Laughing too hard, I have the attention of those infinitely in the next room.

[spotlessvoid]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Which part of "Organics will be perfected" didn't you understand?

None.
Which part of the epilogue saying that they're still advancing, hence
changing, hence aren't perfect, did you not understand?

You mean the part where you're in the happy Reaper matrix.

So
you may interpret. So the game has not shown, and thus has not enabled
you to use as a valid argument. As of now, this remains in the fanon
stage.

IT is not fanon. It is the only interpretation that is fully based on and consistent with in-game lore. Stop throwing out that kind of flame bait.

Now take your trolling elsewhere.

Plus IT makes sense of all the developer statements

[Xilizhra]

One example of success among a dozen nightmares.

Also I would argue Shepards case is slightly different. The synthetic parts applied to him were necesities for his revival. That they improved him is a sideffect of that.

But Overlord, the Reapers and their creations was from the ground build to be synthetic and flesh intertwined.

Shepard was built from the ground up as well, using old organic parts that had to be connected with machines to live. Synthesis effectively conquered the most profound barrier yet known to us: that between death and life. Not only that, it brought back the one person who stood the best chance of stopping the Reapers. Synthesis was the salvation of the galaxy.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 11 octobre 2012 - 08:12 .

[ajk_Jack]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Plus IT makes sense of all the developer statements

And the developer states it is a valid interpretation of the ending.

[Sauron001]

Xilizhra wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

IT is not fanon. It is the only interpretation that is fully based on and consistent with in-game lore. Stop throwing out that kind of flame bait.

Now take your trolling elsewhere.

IT has no direct in-game basis and is wholly interpretive, with no objective proof. Certainly it's possible, if contradicted by the epilogues, but is very far from a fact. It is fanon.

There is plenty of evidence of indoctrination attempts, the dreams throught ME3 are big give away in mo. Seeing shadows and hearing voices of people you know are confirmed in the codex to be the early stages of indoctrination.

[ajk_Jack]

Sauron001 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

IT is not fanon. It is the only interpretation that is fully based on and consistent with in-game lore. Stop throwing out that kind of flame bait.

Now take your trolling elsewhere.

IT has no direct in-game basis and is wholly interpretive, with no objective proof. Certainly it's possible, if contradicted by the epilogues, but is very far from a fact. It is fanon.

There is plenty of evidence of indoctrination attempts, the dreams throught ME3 are big give away in mo. Seeing shadows and hearing voices of people you know are confirmed in the codex to be the early stages of indoctrination.

Indoctrination's symptoms and effects are everywhere in the ME universe, in the games or otherwise. It is this same topic that we have spent thousands of forum pages discussing, using the evidence given to us by the previous games. (and to a smaller degree, the books as well)

Modifié par ajk_Jack, 11 octobre 2012 - 08:16 .

[spotlessvoid]

Xilizhra wrote...

One example of success among a dozen nightmares.

Also I would argue Shepards case is slightly different. The synthetic parts applied to him were necesities for his revival. That they improved him is a sideffect of that.

But Overlord, the Reapers and their creations was from the ground build to be synthetic and flesh intertwined.

Shepard was built from the ground up as well, using old organic parts that had to be connected with machines to live. Synthesis effectively conquered the most profound barrier yet known to us: that between death and life. Not only that, it brought back the one person who stood the best chance of stopping the Reapers. Synthesis was the salvation of the galaxy.

Shepard was still organic. The AI even states he is the first organic to make it there so by your logic that must be true because starchild never ever ever lies

[plfranke]

spotlessvoid wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Why do you guys continue to argue with this person. You're never going to enlighten them out of their stupidity. Just let it go so they can leave and go start new threads like, "Will Harbinger Start A Charity Organization For The Re-building of Earth In Paragon Control?"

ha!  

"this helps you"

"Their homes will succumb and ascend! Or they will be renovated!""

[Bill Casey]

Xilizhra wrote...

Which part of "Organics will be perfected" didn't you understand?

None. Which part of the epilogue saying that they're still advancing, hence changing, hence aren't perfect, did you not understand?

So... the Catalyst was lying?

Modifié par Bill Casey, 11 octobre 2012 - 08:18 .

[Xilizhra]

Shepard was still organic. The AI even states he is the first organic to make it there so by your logic that must be true because starchild never ever ever lies

Of course Shepard was still organic. The organics in Synthesis are still organic, just integrated with technology, as Shepard was.

[Ithurael]

Xilizhra wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

IT is not fanon. It is the only interpretation that is fully based on and consistent with in-game lore. Stop throwing out that kind of flame bait.

Now take your trolling elsewhere.

IT has no direct in-game basis and is wholly interpretive, with no objective proof. Certainly it's possible, if contradicted by the epilogues, but is very far from a fact. It is fanon.

IT is how some fans wish to perceive/interpret the endings. This neither makes it fanon nor canon.

Was wayne alive/dead at the end of TDKR? Interpretation
Was Leo still in a dream at the end of Inception? Interpretation
Was the entire ending of ME3 a dream? Interpretation

Interpretation =/= fanon

[spotlessvoid]

But guys how could their be any symbolism in dreams. Bioware wouldn't know that anyways. Maybe I'd believe it if one of them was a psych major, but that isn't the case

[spotlessvoid]

Xilizhra wrote...

Shepard was still organic. The AI even states he is the first organic to make it there so by your logic that must be true because starchild never ever ever lies

Of course Shepard was still organic. The organics in Synthesis are still organic, just integrated with technology, as Shepard was.

You mean with Reaper tech? Sheps brain is still organic. Synthesis shows Reaper tech attatching to neurons. Reminds me of the Collectors

[Xilizhra]

Ithurael wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

IT is not fanon. It is the only interpretation that is fully based on and consistent with in-game lore. Stop throwing out that kind of flame bait.

Now take your trolling elsewhere.

IT has no direct in-game basis and is wholly interpretive, with no objective proof. Certainly it's possible, if contradicted by the epilogues, but is very far from a fact. It is fanon.

IT is how some fans wish to perceive/interpret the endings. This neither makes it fanon nor canon.

Was wayne alive/dead at the end of TDKR? Interpretation
Was Leo still in a dream at the end of Inception? Interpretation
Was the entire ending of ME3 a dream? Interpretation

Interpretation =/= fanon

I suppose that's fair. I'd have no objections if they didn't both claim that theirs was the only possibility, and claim that everyone who didn't make their choice is an indoctrinated idiot. Alas...

[Sauron001]

Xilizhra wrote...

Shepard was still organic. The AI even states he is the first organic to make it there so by your logic that must be true because starchild never ever ever lies

Of course Shepard was still organic. The organics in Synthesis are still organic, just integrated with technology, as Shepard was.

No synthesis is based on completley altering your genetic DNA; which in turn makes you synthetic and all is unicorns and care bears thoughout the galaxy.

[Xilizhra]

Sauron001 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Shepard was still organic. The AI even states he is the first organic to make it there so by your logic that must be true because starchild never ever ever lies

Of course Shepard was still organic. The organics in Synthesis are still organic, just integrated with technology, as Shepard was.

No synthesis is based on completley altering your genetic DNA; which in turn makes you synthetic and all is unicorns and care bears thoughout the galaxy.

Er, no it's not. Organics are still organic, they can just better integrate with technology now.

[demersel]

Xilizhra wrote...
Er, no it's not. Organics are still organic, they can just better integrate with technology now.

like bluetooth? 

Modifié par demersel, 11 octobre 2012 - 08:26 .