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[Andromidius]

SwobyJ wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

You guys are going to be disapointed when Omega is released and the fact it has no tie-in to Indoctrination. Let-alone, nothing this year will tie in with Indoctrination, nor will the next one.

I'm constantly baffled by why people believe IT is real these days. People really are grasping at straws now. No disrespect, it's a cool theory and probably would have been a better recieved ending, but it's not going to happend- it just aint.

Leviathan was all about indoctrination.

Indeed.  Why do people keep insisting there's no indoctrination evidence in the DLC?  It was in the EC and it was the central focus of Leviathan.  Even if it doesn't 'prove IT', its still interesting in context.

And the fact the Collectors may be back is very interesting.

[estebanus]

SwobyJ wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

You guys are going to be disapointed when Omega is released and the fact it has no tie-in to Indoctrination. Let-alone, nothing this year will tie in with Indoctrination, nor will the next one.

I'm constantly baffled by why people believe IT is real these days. People really are grasping at straws now. No disrespect, it's a cool theory and probably would have been a better recieved ending, but it's not going to happend- it just aint.

Leviathan was all about indoctrination.

Look, Fingertrip is a hypocrite. He used to be an ITer. A zealot even. Now, he acts like he's never ever been a believer in it, and tries to diminish all who are.
Ignoring him is the most effective thing you could do.

Modifié par estebanus, 13 octobre 2012 - 12:35 .

[paxxton]

SwobyJ wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

You guys are going to be disapointed when Omega is released and the fact it has no tie-in to Indoctrination. Let-alone, nothing this year will tie in with Indoctrination, nor will the next one.

I'm constantly baffled by why people believe IT is real these days. People really are grasping at straws now. No disrespect, it's a cool theory and probably would have been a better recieved ending, but it's not going to happend- it just aint.

Leviathan was all about indoctrination.

I dunno but if Harby is featured in Omega DLC, we can all rest assured IT (or some form of it) will be shown off in a more obvious way.

[Ghrelt]

Dwailing wrote...

Ellythe wrote...

I'm no longer holding out hope that Bioware is going to include Indoctrination Theory to Mass Effect canon. I have, however, added it permanently to my headcanon for the end. Narratively speaking, it's the only thing that makes any part of the ending make any logical sense. I love Mass Effect 3, but I vehemently detest the last 10 minutes or so, and avoid them at all costs.

Why not?  I mean, they added a few new things in the Extended Cut, in Leviathan, and they left so many of those things that were not originally explained unexplained.  I still believe that they're going to do something with IT, and, moreover, that they originally intended it.

I would have expected them to confirm it through DLC by now.  Don't get me wrong, I'll be buying any DLC on day one.  (Loved Leviathan!)  I just don't expect them to ever come out and say that Synthesis and Control were a pipe dream.  And that's the equivalent of what Indoctrination being added to canon would do.

[Andromidius]

Ellythe wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Ellythe wrote...

I'm no longer holding out hope that Bioware is going to include Indoctrination Theory to Mass Effect canon. I have, however, added it permanently to my headcanon for the end. Narratively speaking, it's the only thing that makes any part of the ending make any logical sense. I love Mass Effect 3, but I vehemently detest the last 10 minutes or so, and avoid them at all costs.

Why not?  I mean, they added a few new things in the Extended Cut, in Leviathan, and they left so many of those things that were not originally explained unexplained.  I still believe that they're going to do something with IT, and, moreover, that they originally intended it.

I would have expected them to confirm it through DLC by now.  Don't get me wrong, I'll be buying any DLC on day one.  (Loved Leviathan!)  I just don't expect them to ever come out and say that Synthesis and Control were a pipe dream.  And that's the equivalent of what Indoctrination being added to canon would do.

Actually, it would be saying the same thing about Destroy as well.  It might have some effect on the game, obviously, but it would effect them all.

Honestly though, Synthesis needs to be destroyed in a fire.  Regardless of anything else.  It needs to die.  Painfully.

[BansheeOwnage]

Ellythe wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Ellythe wrote...

I'm no longer holding out hope that Bioware is going to include Indoctrination Theory to Mass Effect canon. I have, however, added it permanently to my headcanon for the end. Narratively speaking, it's the only thing that makes any part of the ending make any logical sense. I love Mass Effect 3, but I vehemently detest the last 10 minutes or so, and avoid them at all costs.

Why not?  I mean, they added a few new things in the Extended Cut, in Leviathan, and they left so many of those things that were not originally explained unexplained.  I still believe that they're going to do something with IT, and, moreover, that they originally intended it.

I would have expected them to confirm it through DLC by now.  Don't get me wrong, I'll be buying any DLC on day one.  (Loved Leviathan!)  I just don't expect them to ever come out and say that Synthesis and Control were a pipe dream.  And that's the equivalent of what Indoctrination being added to canon would do.

What? How would they have revealed it by now? You crazy? Especially with EC delaying everything. Control and synthesis are still valid choices, they're just wrong. They'd be the same as Shepard dying in the suicide mission.

[Andromidius]

Indeed, why spoil the suprise? Why spoil the plot of the next game already? They need the hype machine to get going again first.

[BansheeOwnage]

[quote]Andromidius wrote...

[quote]BansheeOwnage wrote...

[/quote]You're right. LOTSB was only 800. Oh, and the Collector Black Arks came from the newly confirmed reaper base in dark space. Implications extremely bad for literal...


Oh, and extremely good for IT. [/quote]

How so?  A quick explaination would be apprieciated!

Plus it might help out anyone else who's not in the know, if we missed a conversation earlier.

[/quote]
Yeah, sorry. I was going to explain, but I had to go. In short, Hackett's message from the last operation (which are written by the ME writers btw) talked about the Black Arks coming in from dark space slower than the reapers (for a few reasons). A lot of us have already assumed the reapers have some sort of base in dark space. This pretty much confirms that. It may also be that they can actually "make" collectors there. Regardless, this means a few things:
1. It is absolutely great for IT because it gives us many opportunities for a post ending win scenario. The "Intelligence", whether it be Harbinger or not, could be based there. Blur and I also had a sweet idea that the crucible (since it taps into the relay network) would perhaps use the citadel to send the entire allied fleet through its own relay into dark space and allow us to destroy the reaper base. Their base would most likely be the "Evil Citadel" since each relay has a partner, and we know the reapers have a relay of some kind (one equal in scope to the citadel) in dark space. It would also be very ironic, seeing as how the reapers all pour through the citadel relay during their arrival. We would do the same to them!

2. Kills a literal view. Think about it. The crucible apparently uses the mass relay system to do its magic. With reaper tech in dark space, and a base at that, they would not all be affected. Especially in destroy.

[masster blaster]

Maybe that's why Bioware is taking their time with Omega.

It's because. " man people don't see that ITers have it right, and we tricked you into siding with the Reapers. As real Indoctrination would do to you. Now we have to add more hints about IT, and may just have to bring out Harbinger to do it."

[BansheeOwnage]

Andromidius wrote...

Indeed, why spoil the suprise? Why spoil the plot of the next game already? They need the hype machine to get going again first.

They wanted speculations. Which reminds me: Why do people get so pissed when we do what Bioware wanted?

[spotlessvoid]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Indeed, why spoil the suprise? Why spoil the plot of the next game already? They need the hype machine to get going again first.

They wanted speculations. Which reminds me: Why do people get so pissed when we do what Bioware wanted?

It's possible I may have burnt all their houses down.

[masster blaster]

Banshee it's because they want to buy/ do nothing for Bioware because of the endings. That's why. Also hey it's fun, yet we won't give up until Bioware says so.

[Andromidius]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Yeah, sorry. I was going to explain, but I had to go. In short, Hackett's message from the last operation (which are written by the ME writers btw) talked about the Black Arks coming in from dark space slower than the reapers (for a few reasons). A lot of us have already assumed the reapers have some sort of base in dark space. This pretty much confirms that. It may also be that they can actually "make" collectors there. Regardless, this means a few things:
1. It is absolutely great for IT because it gives us many opportunities for a post ending win scenario. The "Intelligence", whether it be Harbinger or not, could be based there. Blur and I also had a sweet idea that the crucible (since it taps into the relay network) would perhaps use the citadel to send the entire allied fleet through its own relay into dark space and allow us to destroy the reaper base. Their base would most likely be the "Evil Citadel" since each relay has a partner, and we know the reapers have a relay of some kind (one equal in scope to the citadel) in dark space. It would also be very ironic, seeing as how the reapers all pour through the citadel relay during their arrival. We would do the same to them!

2. Kills a literal view. Think about it. The crucible apparently uses the mass relay system to do its magic. With reaper tech in dark space, and a base at that, they would not all be affected. Especially in destroy.

Hinges on there actually being a base in Dark Space though.  If there are Collectors in the DLC, and they are coming in slower then the Reapers, it might be explained in another way (like just having slower engines, or being a 'tactical reserve' to be used).

Hopefully you're right though.  But we'll have to wait and see.

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

Banshee it's because they want to buy/ do nothing for Bioware because of the endings. That's why. Also hey it's fun, yet we won't give up until Bioware says so.

The funny part is we are probably the ones who complain to Bioware the least. The people in this thread are among the people who want something done with the ending the most, but this thread isn't a petition.

Gonna go kill Harbinger in MP.  PREPARE YOURSELF FOR THE ARRIVAL.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 13 octobre 2012 - 01:01 .

[demersel]

Why confirm or deny IT when we're havin SO MUCH FUN speculating about it, searching for clues, putting pieces together and sharing opinions??? Really, you guys that expirience alone is worth MORE that a price of the game. I don't know about you, but it became more fun for me thinking about mass effect, rather then playing it. And imagine - one day it will end. Just a few months from now - everything will be confimed - everybody will know for sure - and it will be over. Those who did not pick mass effect, and played it by then - will forever miss on that experience. It will be "Luke, I'm your father of video games". And we're really lucky, priviledged i might even say, to be part of it. This is the thing we will remember forever.

[BansheeOwnage]

Andromidius wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Yeah, sorry. I was going to explain, but I had to go. In short, Hackett's message from the last operation (which are written by the ME writers btw) talked about the Black Arks coming in from dark space slower than the reapers (for a few reasons). A lot of us have already assumed the reapers have some sort of base in dark space. This pretty much confirms that. It may also be that they can actually "make" collectors there. Regardless, this means a few things:
1. It is absolutely great for IT because it gives us many opportunities for a post ending win scenario. The "Intelligence", whether it be Harbinger or not, could be based there. Blur and I also had a sweet idea that the crucible (since it taps into the relay network) would perhaps use the citadel to send the entire allied fleet through its own relay into dark space and allow us to destroy the reaper base. Their base would most likely be the "Evil Citadel" since each relay has a partner, and we know the reapers have a relay of some kind (one equal in scope to the citadel) in dark space. It would also be very ironic, seeing as how the reapers all pour through the citadel relay during their arrival. We would do the same to them!

2. Kills a literal view. Think about it. The crucible apparently uses the mass relay system to do its magic. With reaper tech in dark space, and a base at that, they would not all be affected. Especially in destroy.

Hinges on there actually being a base in Dark Space though.  If there are Collectors in the DLC, and they are coming in slower then the Reapers, it might be explained in another way (like just having slower engines, or being a 'tactical reserve' to be used).

Hopefully you're right though.  But we'll have to wait and see.

Those were my thoughts when I said "for a number of reasons." But it is logical to assume the Black Arks dock somewhere. Even the reapers may need to dock somewhere to "recharge" between cycles. I don't know, maybe it is a sort of Geth consensus. The possibilities are limitless!

[paxxton]

SwobyJ wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

You guys are going to be disapointed when Omega is released and the fact it has no tie-in to Indoctrination. Let-alone, nothing this year will tie in with Indoctrination, nor will the next one.

I'm constantly baffled by why people believe IT is real these days. People really are grasping at straws now. No disrespect, it's a cool theory and probably would have been a better recieved ending, but it's not going to happend- it just aint.

Leviathan was all about indoctrination.

I dunno but if Harby is featured in Omega DLC, we can all rest assured IT (or some form of it) will be shown off in a more obvious way.

I'm quite sure of that too.

Demo --> 'well that kid is weird'

Original game --> 'wait, what's up......wtf...' (and IT is born)

EC --> 'ok, this is getting creepy, but hey, maybe its supposed to be taken literally...' (EC contained fodder both for literal and IT views of ending, without removing most of the IT supporting material...and in fact adding strange details)

Leviathan --> 'what the hell is going on with Shepard?? Something isn't right!'

Omega --> 'crap, something IS up! Damn!'

Citadel? --> 'omg omg omg omg WOW'

??? --> 'Whoh.'

Tbh, I didn't pick up on any suspicious traits in that kid when I played the Demo.

[masster blaster]

Also " waz there waz a magic forzed feilds." Caseys post. Really Casey put that post in early march, and really that's not what Casey would do/ explaine. When he explains something he goes in depth.

[BleedingUranium]

Andromidius wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Yeah, sorry. I was going to explain, but I had to go. In short, Hackett's message from the last operation (which are written by the ME writers btw) talked about the Black Arks coming in from dark space slower than the reapers (for a few reasons). A lot of us have already assumed the reapers have some sort of base in dark space. This pretty much confirms that. It may also be that they can actually "make" collectors there. Regardless, this means a few things:
1. It is absolutely great for IT because it gives us many opportunities for a post ending win scenario. The "Intelligence", whether it be Harbinger or not, could be based there. Blur and I also had a sweet idea that the crucible (since it taps into the relay network) would perhaps use the citadel to send the entire allied fleet through its own relay into dark space and allow us to destroy the reaper base. Their base would most likely be the "Evil Citadel" since each relay has a partner, and we know the reapers have a relay of some kind (one equal in scope to the citadel) in dark space. It would also be very ironic, seeing as how the reapers all pour through the citadel relay during their arrival. We would do the same to them!

2. Kills a literal view. Think about it. The crucible apparently uses the mass relay system to do its magic. With reaper tech in dark space, and a base at that, they would not all be affected. Especially in destroy.

Hinges on there actually being a base in Dark Space though.  If there are Collectors in the DLC, and they are coming in slower then the Reapers, it might be explained in another way (like just having slower engines, or being a 'tactical reserve' to be used).

Hopefully you're right though.  But we'll have to wait and see.

That was exactly what they were described as, a reserve and slower. However, while I can imagine the Reapers themselves just floating out in dark space sleeping, if they have Black Arks and Collectors, they'd need a station of some kind to dock the ships to and somewhere make/house the Collectors themselves.

[demersel]

 And another thought - look at this picture again and tell me that it is not a perfect illustration for the whole M4 - part 2 song.

And yes. I demand that this picture become the emblem of the IT thread and be added into OP. It is really overdue. 



P.S. - M4 - part 2 lyrics should be added too.

I have wondered about you
Where will you be when this through
If all goes as planned
Will you redeem my life again?

Fire the fields the weed is sown
Water down your empty soul
Wake the sea of silent hope
Water down your empty soul

Fight your foes you're on your own
Holy war is on the phone
Asking to please stay on hold
The bleeding loss of blood runs cold

And I need you to recover
Because I can't make it on my own