Ce sujet est ferméPrecisely. If we lose in every ending, then choice doesn't matter, likewise if we win in every ending. If everything we do has the same effect, then the final choice has no meaning.SwobyJ wrote...
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Hey guys, I've been lurking a long time trying to find my damned EA acount.
Here's an idea on the Ending choices and the Crucible that came into my mind after the Retaliation trailer:
We have already said that it's an Indoc Attempt, but what if the choice we make is what we are gonna let the Reapers use the Crucible for (Crucible being a trap). Think about it we struggle to find any sense in what the "Catalyst" says but what if he is not lying in the sense that he is really going to do what he says but to us (Humans).
If CONTROL: We Succumb, we become the Collectors of the next cycle cause we didnt accept to Ascend but to be Controlled.
If SYNTHESIS: We Ascend , we willingly accept to merge ourselves with the Reapers and accept that they're our final evolution. (Synthesis cant be forced).
If DESTROY: We choose to be ANNIHILATED, we fight back so the only thing they can do is to Destroy us.
If REFUSE: We just fail so hard cause we dont realize it's a trap and also we cant find a way out, so we're trapped in our minds waiting to die.
Any thoughts on this idea?
Just as Xil refuses the idea of all the endings being validated good endings, I refuse the idea that all of the endings are bad endings. I think Destroy or a possible successful refuse will be the best endings. The other two might be like Shepard dying in ME2 or (so as not to alienate the goofs who chose those and bought into the hype) they could just be larger hurdles to get over to defeat the Reapers or not at all depending on EMS and assets.
I'd go with them being simultaniously larger hurdles AND more 'interesting' stories. Destroy is the classic Shepard-hero story though.
Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!
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Is it just me, or are Collectors on Silver brutally difficult? I can shoot a Collector Trooper in the head with my Widow II and they'll still be alive. And I have bonus to headshots. Seriously?
Oh, and what pack should I buy for Eviscerator/Widow upgrades? Veteran or Spectre? I've not had an upgrade in a long time, mostly useless junk like SMG's!
There appears to be a bug with single shot sniper rifles - like in 30% of cases shots do not register.
hmm well this might explain why mine shoots 3 times before the enemies go poof. Mine even has explosive shells. It's probably why I use a backup rifle
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Ahhh IT. One of a few threads where you can't remember which page you left off on and if you do, it'll be 10-20 pages behind everyone else LOL
Try about 50 for me...what have I missed?!?!?!?! Detailed explaination please!!!
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[quote]Andromidius wrote...
Is it just me, or are Collectors on Silver brutally difficult? I can shoot a Collector Trooper in the head with my Widow II and they'll still be alive. And I have bonus to headshots. Seriously?
Oh, and what pack should I buy for Eviscerator/Widow upgrades? Veteran or Spectre? I've not had an upgrade in a long time, mostly useless junk like SMG's![/quote]
Get Veteran until you max your uncommons, then go Premium Spectre all the way
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and the secret is out. I've been doing premium spectre. How do I know when I max out my uncommons? (You can tell I haven't reached that point lol)
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Sooo BioWare is saying omega is the largest dlc, that means larger than from ashes right?
From Ashes is just one mission (+ a full character, but yeah), so yes.
And Leviathan is 3 smaller missions + a hub.
And Shadow Broker is 2 missions, basically.
So... Omega is bigger than any of these.
IMO we're getting 3 *full* sized missions. Omega, ??, and something with Collectors. Could be completely wrong though.
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We only blow up Batarian star systems. Gotta let those grudges go dudeThisOneIsPunny wrote...
"How far will you go to end it?"
Yeesh, talk about ominous. Are we going to blow up that star system?
i kinda wish we could see more Batarian based missions. Hopefully there will be some on Omega. It would be nice to throw in a mission or two with the Hanar/Drell. They were always the fun ones to talk to. I'd love to know what the Hanar think of the Ekindlers now
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SwobyJ wrote...
CmdrShep80 wrote...
Sooo BioWare is saying omega is the largest dlc, that means larger than from ashes right?
From Ashes is just one mission (+ a full character, but yeah), so yes.
And Leviathan is 3 smaller missions + a hub.
And Shadow Broker is 2 missions, basically.
So... Omega is bigger than any of these.
IMO we're getting 3 *full* sized missions. Omega, ??, and something with Collectors. Could be completely wrong though.
Someone still has yet to fill me in on the latest news ...
...I checked the date for the release of Omega too. 2 months to wait...this sucks... <_<
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SwobyJ wrote...
CmdrShep80 wrote...
Sooo BioWare is saying omega is the largest dlc, that means larger than from ashes right?
From Ashes is just one mission (+ a full character, but yeah), so yes.
And Leviathan is 3 smaller missions + a hub.
And Shadow Broker is 2 missions, basically.
So... Omega is bigger than any of these.
IMO we're getting 3 *full* sized missions. Omega, ??, and something with Collectors. Could be completely wrong though.
or spot on. Well from the leaked files one is supposed to be on the ship right? Maybe another trip through the omega 4 relay?
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TJBartlemus wrote...
SwobyJ wrote...
CmdrShep80 wrote...
Sooo BioWare is saying omega is the largest dlc, that means larger than from ashes right?
From Ashes is just one mission (+ a full character, but yeah), so yes.
And Leviathan is 3 smaller missions + a hub.
And Shadow Broker is 2 missions, basically.
So... Omega is bigger than any of these.
IMO we're getting 3 *full* sized missions. Omega, ??, and something with Collectors. Could be completely wrong though.
Someone still has yet to fill me in on the latest news ...
Closer to 1.5.
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CmdrShep80 wrote...
SwobyJ wrote...
CmdrShep80 wrote...
Sooo BioWare is saying omega is the largest dlc, that means larger than from ashes right?
From Ashes is just one mission (+ a full character, but yeah), so yes.
And Leviathan is 3 smaller missions + a hub.
And Shadow Broker is 2 missions, basically.
So... Omega is bigger than any of these.
IMO we're getting 3 *full* sized missions. Omega, ??, and something with Collectors. Could be completely wrong though.
or spot on. Well from the leaked files one is supposed to be on the ship right? Maybe another trip through the omega 4 relay?
Yeah.
I'm open to it being 2 missions though, just with each of them longer than each of the Shadow Broker missions were, and of course with the DLC overall being larger than any other Mass Effect DLC.
Leviathan took me 3ish hours.
Shadow Broker took me 2ish hours.
Overlord took me 2ish hours.
Arrival took me 2ish hours.
If Omega doesn't take me at least 4 hours, I'll be ticked off. It's friggin $15. That's the price of a mini-expansion.
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There's currently vacation, but I'm doing pretty well. My philosophy report on transhumanism was the best one in our class.BansheeOwnage wrote...
You always had great timing.Doing pretty good. Weekend now, so great actually. How's your schooling going?
Oh, and my essay on the conflict between communism and capitalism turned out really good as well.
It's good to finally take a break from all the damn work. I just returned from a vacation with my girlfriend on Malta 2 days ago.
should consider an essay on indoctrination lol and the conflict the world has with it. On one of my polls way too many people believe Shepard is infallible and can't be indoctrinated ever. That's basically like saying he can't die ever
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For those having trouble with Origin, try this tactic to get your friends list back:
http://social.biowar...610028#13610028
And to be on-topic, a bunch of folks were mentioning The Matrix awhile ago (maybe it was the Mark II thread, can't remember) and I highly recommend if you haven't watched it recently to go back and do so because there will be lots of moments that make you go "OMG!". Next on my agenda is reading Brave New World, something I have put off for far too long. Best way to think like the writers is to delve into what inspired them, no?
Interesting suggestion.
Post-Catalysm, I suppose I really do need to watch The Matrix movies, for the sake of comparison, but thinking like Mac "Lots of Speculation From Everyone!" Walters would likely require some level of dain bramage.
Even if not, thinking on the same level as him would still be a step down for most people, even those who enjoyed the endings.
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Yeah.
I'm open to it being 2 missions though, just with each of them longer than each of the Shadow Broker missions were, and of course with the DLC overall being larger than any other Mass Effect DLC.
Leviathan took me 3ish hours.
Shadow Broker took me 2ish hours.
Overlord took me 2ish hours.
Arrival took me 2ish hours.
If Omega doesn't take me at least 4 hours, I'll be ticked off. It's friggin $15. That's the price of a mini-expansion.
i don't mind if its 3 as long as I enjoy it and it has a mix of high intensity, a bit of suspense, some quality storytelling, places to shop (I hope they find a way to offer underground shops), and a satisfying end to Aria's retaking of Omega. I also hope it tweaks the EC by showing us videos of the 3 merc organizations in action
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CmdrShep80 wrote...
Yeah.
I'm open to it being 2 missions though, just with each of them longer than each of the Shadow Broker missions were, and of course with the DLC overall being larger than any other Mass Effect DLC.
Leviathan took me 3ish hours.
Shadow Broker took me 2ish hours.
Overlord took me 2ish hours.
Arrival took me 2ish hours.
If Omega doesn't take me at least 4 hours, I'll be ticked off. It's friggin $15. That's the price of a mini-expansion.
i don't mind if its 3 as long as I enjoy it and it has a mix of high intensity, a bit of suspense, some quality storytelling, places to shop (I hope they find a way to offer underground shops), and a satisfying end to Aria's retaking of Omega. I also hope it tweaks the EC by showing us videos of the 3 merc organizations in action.
Hopefully, they still possess the ability to deliver quality storytelling, or they have some better games and movies in mind to copy off of.
More than that, hopefully, they manage not to dig any more plot holes, because there's a few that they haven't done a very good job of back-filling. Then again, maybe self-contradiction is now a form of art.
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CmdrShep80 wrote...
Yeah.
I'm open to it being 2 missions though, just with each of them longer than each of the Shadow Broker missions were, and of course with the DLC overall being larger than any other Mass Effect DLC.
Leviathan took me 3ish hours.
Shadow Broker took me 2ish hours.
Overlord took me 2ish hours.
Arrival took me 2ish hours.
If Omega doesn't take me at least 4 hours, I'll be ticked off. It's friggin $15. That's the price of a mini-expansion.
i don't mind if its 3 as long as I enjoy it and it has a mix of high intensity, a bit of suspense, some quality storytelling, places to shop (I hope they find a way to offer underground shops), and a satisfying end to Aria's retaking of Omega. I also hope it tweaks the EC by showing us videos of the 3 merc organizations in action
I think Omega is gonna be totally wrecked when we arrive.
Oh and I wouldn't be surprised if it gets destroyed somehow.
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Valmarn wrote...
Post-Catalysm, I suppose I really do need to watch The Matrix movies, for the sake of comparison, but thinking like Mac "Lots of Speculation From Everyone!" Walters would likely require some level of dain bramage.
Just stick to the first movie. It stands alone pretty well, and the other two movies don't really add to the mystery of The Matrix. And Revelations basically takes a steaming dogpile over it too.
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Valmarn wrote...
leonia42 wrote...
For those having trouble with Origin, try this tactic to get your friends list back:
http://social.biowar...610028#13610028
And to be on-topic, a bunch of folks were mentioning The Matrix awhile ago (maybe it was the Mark II thread, can't remember) and I highly recommend if you haven't watched it recently to go back and do so because there will be lots of moments that make you go "OMG!". Next on my agenda is reading Brave New World, something I have put off for far too long. Best way to think like the writers is to delve into what inspired them, no?
Interesting suggestion.
Post-Catalysm, I suppose I really do need to watch The Matrix movies, for the sake of comparison, but thinking like Mac "Lots of Speculation From Everyone!" Walters would likely require some level of dain bramage.
Even if not, thinking on the same level as him would still be a step down for most people, even those who enjoyed the endings.
Please do. They're pretentious as hell, but imo Mass Effect makes more sense with them in context.
"The First Matrix" from Walters actually has two possible meanings.
1. The first movie, meaning that the ending of ME3 is all an illusion.
2. The first MATRIX itself, in the story, before the current one Neo is from, was actually TOO perfect of an illusion. It needed flaws, and 'off' details in order to maintain the believability. But the first matrix was too perfect, and the human inhabitants REJECTED the idea.
matrix.wikia.com/wiki/Matrix_betas
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Andromidius wrote...
Valmarn wrote...
Post-Catalysm, I suppose I really do need to watch The Matrix movies, for the sake of comparison, but thinking like Mac "Lots of Speculation From Everyone!" Walters would likely require some level of dain bramage.
Just stick to the first movie. It stands alone pretty well, and the other two movies don't really add to the mystery of The Matrix. And Revelations basically takes a steaming dogpile over it too.
If Mac Walters is actually referring to the Matrix betas, then one should actually watch all three movies to have proper context.
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Man Otter, and I recked on the Collectors, Cerberus, Reapers, and Geth. We were the army of two, and our kills were over 75 kills.
Just straight up beat downs.
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Andromidius wrote...
Valmarn wrote...
Post-Catalysm, I suppose I really do need to watch The Matrix movies, for the sake of comparison, but thinking like Mac "Lots of Speculation From Everyone!" Walters would likely require some level of dain bramage.
Just stick to the first movie. It stands alone pretty well, and the other two movies don't really add to the mystery of The Matrix. And Revelations basically takes a steaming dogpile over it too.
I've seen the first one, but it's been a while.
Someone was saying that ME3's ending was similar to that of The Matrix Reloaded...or maybe The Matrix Revelations/Revolutions/whatever.
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The first Matrix (known as the Paradise
Matrix) was designed to be a perfect human world, where none would
suffer and everyone would be happy. However, human minds could not
accept this concept, and scores of humans rejected the program. Agent
Smith (relating this story to the incarcerated and drugged Morpheus)
noted that "it was a disaster, entire crops were lost,"[1]
implying that many humans simply died because of their inability to
accept this first Matrix. Essentially, humans in the Paradise Matrix,
even without memories or knowledge of life outside of it, could
inherently tell that it was "too good to be true".
Matrix Beta 2 - the Nightmare
Matrix
A second Matrix (known as the Nightmare
Matrix) was created. This time, the Architect didn't try to make a
perfect world, but one based on human history, "to more
accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature".[2]
This time, the Architect inserted a primitive cause and effect option
into the virtual world. (NOTE: can this be understood as the Reaper cycle itself? Guiding the galaxy along expected technological and societal lines, a cause and effect?)
The Merovingian was a proponent of
cause and effect and denied the reality of choice within the Matrix.
He also kept henchmen who Persephone described as originating from a
much older version of the Matrix. This strongly suggests that the
Merovingian himself may have had a hand in the creation of the second
Matrix beta. Even if he didn't have a direct role in its creation,
The Merovingian was originally the Operating System of the second
Matrix beta, coordinating activity within the entire virtual world.
If the Merovingian's chateau and
artifacts are any indication, while the second Matrix beta was
designed to more closely resemble real human history, it somewhat
resembled a stilted soap opera or B-horror movie. Instead of a fluffy
and soft "Paradise" like the previous version, the
Nightmare Matrix was populated with various "Monsters" such
as vampires and werewolves. Humans within this Matrix did now operate
within a framework of cause and effect, but didn't have true choice,
so much as acting out these scripts. Human minds within the second
Matrix beta could still discern on a certain level that it wasn't
real. While it wasn't the catastrophic failure of the first Matrix
beta, the second Matrix beta was still ultimately deemed to be a
failure.
The modern Matrix
The solution was ultimately stumbled
upon by an intuitive program, originally intended to study aspects of
the human psyche: The Oracle. She discovered that if humans were
given a choice, even at a subconscious level, to accept the reality
of the world around them, ninety-nine percent of humans would accept
the virtual world. Thus the Architect redesigned the Matrix into its
third and final form, a realistic world approximating human
civilization at its peak, circa 1980 - 2025, right before human
started developing Artificial Intelligences that became the Machines.
This final Matrix included choice-programming so humans would accept
it, but it came at a price. While this was a functional solution,
less than one percent of humans would have vague doubts about the
reality of this world, and over time this would slowly build and
ultimately destabilize the Matrix, requiring a reload.
The Machine's temporary solution was to
actually allow some of these "red pills" to leave the
Matrix, though hunting them with Agents and making things difficult
enough for them that they thought they were escaping on their own.
These human dissidents were allowed to leave and form the refuge-city
of Zion, as a sort of pressure-release valve to keep the small
percentage of human malcontents outside of the Matrix itself.
However, every hundred years or so, when the population of Zion
reached about a quarter of a million free humans, it would become big
enough to be a threat to the Machines, who would then launch a
military attack to destroy it. Even so, within the Matrix itself, the
choice-programming would lead to such a destabilization in the code
of the Matrix that it would have to be reloaded. The sum total of
this human doubt in the Matrix would coalesce into a human born in
the Matrix known as "The One", who would ultimately have to
return to the Machine mainframe computer to return the code and
reboot the Matrix over again.
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We go fight Collectors on Platinum.
