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[BansheeOwnage]

SwobyJ wrote...


Matrix Beta 1 - the Paradise Matrix

The first Matrix (known as the Paradise
Matrix) was designed to be a perfect human world, where none would
suffer and everyone would be happy. However, human minds could not
accept this concept, and scores of humans rejected the program. Agent
Smith (relating this story to the incarcerated and drugged Morpheus)
noted that "it was a disaster, entire crops were lost,"[1]
implying that many humans simply died because of their inability to
accept this first Matrix. Essentially, humans in the Paradise Matrix,
even without memories or knowledge of life outside of it, could
inherently tell that it was "too good to be true".



Matrix Beta 2 - the Nightmare
Matrix

A second Matrix (known as the Nightmare
Matrix) was created. This time, the Architect didn't try to make a
perfect world, but one based on human history, "to more
accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature".[2]
This time, the Architect inserted a primitive cause and effect option
into the virtual world. (NOTE: can this be understood as the Reaper cycle itself? Guiding the galaxy along expected technological and societal lines, a cause and effect?)

The Merovingian was a proponent of
cause and effect and denied the reality of choice within the Matrix.
He also kept henchmen who Persephone described as originating from a
much older version of the Matrix. This strongly suggests that the
Merovingian himself may have had a hand in the creation of the second
Matrix beta. Even if he didn't have a direct role in its creation,
The Merovingian was originally the Operating System of the second
Matrix beta, coordinating activity within the entire virtual world.

If the Merovingian's chateau and
artifacts are any indication, while the second Matrix beta was
designed to more closely resemble real human history, it somewhat
resembled a stilted soap opera or B-horror movie. Instead of a fluffy
and soft "Paradise" like the previous version, the
Nightmare Matrix was populated with various "Monsters" such
as vampires and werewolves. Humans within this Matrix did now operate
within a framework of cause and effect, but didn't have true choice,
so much as acting out these scripts. Human minds within the second
Matrix beta could still discern on a certain level that it wasn't
real. While it wasn't the catastrophic failure of the first Matrix
beta, the second Matrix beta was still ultimately deemed to be a
failure.



The modern Matrix

The solution was ultimately stumbled
upon by an intuitive program, originally intended to study aspects of
the human psyche: The Oracle. She discovered that if humans were
given a choice, even at a subconscious level, to accept the reality
of the world around them, ninety-nine percent of humans would accept
the virtual world. Thus the Architect redesigned the Matrix into its
third and final form, a realistic world approximating human
civilization at its peak, circa 1980 - 2025, right before human
started developing Artificial Intelligences that became the Machines.
This final Matrix included choice-programming so humans would accept
it, but it came at a price. While this was a functional solution,
less than one percent of humans would have vague doubts about the
reality of this world, and over time this would slowly build and
ultimately destabilize the Matrix, requiring a reload.

The Machine's temporary solution was to
actually allow some of these "red pills" to leave the
Matrix, though hunting them with Agents and making things difficult
enough for them that they thought they were escaping on their own.
These human dissidents were allowed to leave and form the refuge-city
of Zion, as a sort of pressure-release valve to keep the small
percentage of human malcontents outside of the Matrix itself.
However, every hundred years or so, when the population of Zion
reached about a quarter of a million free humans, it would become big
enough to be a threat to the Machines, who would then launch a
military attack to destroy it. Even so, within the Matrix itself, the
choice-programming would lead to such a destabilization in the code
of the Matrix that it would have to be reloaded. The sum total of
this human doubt in the Matrix would coalesce into a human born in
the Matrix known as "The One", who would ultimately have to
return to the Machine mainframe computer to return the code and
reboot the Matrix over again.

Wow. Just wow. Take the red pill. Also, choice is required for brainwashing. It's not forcing you to do something; it's forcing you to want to do it.

[masster blaster]

"BS we destroyed them or they destroy us "

[BansheeOwnage]

SwobyJ wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I think you guys overestimate the amount of people that are having "fun" speculating.

I'm with you there. Bioware did mess this up imo, in some fashion.


However, if IT is true, there will be investigations of how Mass Effect foreshadowed it, for many years to come.

Yes, but not by us, thankfully.  We've done enough of that already.

[BansheeOwnage]

magnetite wrote...

So much foreshadowing, it's mind blowing.

Agreed. How can literalists say it's unprecedented? HOW?

Brave New World reminds me of synthesis a lot even though it's been ages since I read it.

[masster blaster]

"The relationship is symbolic what gangs in Sims subject towards 1 another distance for both the weaknesses in Mass"

Okay I just found this random comment on some thread, and I laughd my --- off.

[masster blaster]

I wanted to be the prophet
the liar
The honest. This is war.
to the soldier
The civilian
The honor.
The victum.
Oh to the leader
The pariah
The victor
The Messiah
This is War.


The liar= the star child.
The Leader Anderson
The Messiah Shepard.
The victor Wrex, or grunt
The Parhia= Zaeed
The civilian=Miranda
The soldier= Ash, or Javik
The victum= Thane
The Honor= Samara
The honest= Liara

[masster blaster]

Hey that's what I got to find. The lyrics for this is war.

That song reminds me of the endings. " We will fight to the death. To the ends of the world. It's a brave new world. I do believe in the light raise your hands into the sky. Fight is done war is one. Lift your hand toward the sun. Towards the sun. It's the momunt of truth, it's the momunt to live the momunt to die. The momunt to fight. To fight to fight to FIGHT.


A brave new world.

[masster blaster]

Wait when is the next video for cw again?

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

Valmarn wrote...
Post-Catalysm, I suppose I really do need to watch The Matrix movies, for the sake of comparison, but thinking like Mac "Lots of Speculation From Everyone!" Walters would likely require some level of dain bramage.

Just stick to the first movie.  It stands alone pretty well, and the other two movies don't really add to the mystery of The Matrix.  And Revelations basically takes a steaming dogpile over it too.

I liked all three, but you're entitled to your opinion.

[BatmanTurian]

Valmarn wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Valmarn wrote...
Post-Catalysm, I suppose I really do need to watch The Matrix movies, for the sake of comparison, but thinking like Mac "Lots of Speculation From Everyone!" Walters would likely require some level of dain bramage.

Just stick to the first movie.  It stands alone pretty well, and the other two movies don't really add to the mystery of The Matrix.  And Revelations basically takes a steaming dogpile over it too.

I've seen the first one, but it's been a while.

Someone was saying that ME3's ending was similar to that of The Matrix Reloaded...or maybe The Matrix Revelations/Revolutions/whatever.

Certainly, Starbinger is very similar to The Architect.

[paxxton]

masster blaster wrote...

Wait when is the next video for cw again?

Last Friday of October. That'd be...26th.

[Restrider]

Again, a reminder of the polls (1 & 2)!
@ MB: I would volunteer for some Platinum, but I have to warn you, I am only used to gold (or silver when fighting Collectors). ID is Humblegar (on PC).

[Riverseer]

Out of curiosity has anyone here completed me3 without doing jacob's loyalty mission?
Just wondering if it changes anything to do with the planet the Normandy crashes on?
Have a feeling this will have been answered but a lot of pages to look back through...

[Restrider]

I think the planet the Normandy crashes on is not the planet where Jacob's LM takes place, since that planet is at the edge of the galaxy, if I recall correct. I always assumed they crashed on an unkown planet somewhere in the vicinity of the Sol system. It should be at least located within the Eearth Systems Alliance Space. But again, that's just me.

Modifié par Restrider, 13 octobre 2012 - 11:07 .

[paxxton]

SwobyJ wrote...

magnetite wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

magnetite wrote...

So much foreshadowing, it's mind blowing.

Agreed. How can literalists say it's unprecedented? HOW?

Indeed. That Spoony guy said that the ending is not to be taken literally, and anyone who does is not seeing the whole picture. I tend to agree with him. He also is a supporter of IT, BTW.

Spoony is one of the more nerdy-whinery people out there, but in retrospect, I find it hilarious that it is quite possible he clued into ALL of this MONTHS before even many of us in this thread.

In reference to what Spoony says in that video. The people's reaction is the consequence of how great an impact the Mass Effect series had on them and what happens if the mainstream isn't satisfied (especially if certain things are promised). Of course, since language isn't a strict endeavor, anyone can interpret those promises the way they wish.

Oh, and people have right to demand that fiction be changed. But BioWare has the right not to listen to them.

Modifié par paxxton, 13 octobre 2012 - 11:33 .

[munnellyladt]

just thought of something about the ending choices.
If you go to one then walk back it's says "the crucible has been destroyed"which most of you already know.
But why does this happen?
Since he controls the reapers,he could order them to stay away from the crucible since his solution "won't work anymore"but instead he never tells them t stay away.
It's almost like he's forcing shep to pick a choice betwwen the three.

[paxxton]

munnellyladt wrote...

just thought of something about the ending choices.
If you go to one then walk back it's says "the crucible has been destroyed"which most of you already know.
But why does this happen?
Since he controls the reapers,he could order them to stay away from the crucible since his solution "won't work anymore"but instead he never tells them t stay away.
It's almost like he's forcing shep to pick a choice betwwen the three.

I have an opinion that this might be the pre-EC Refuse ending. Seriously. Shepard can't make up his mind and the Catalyst is a really impatient fellow.

[munnellyladt]

paxxton wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

just thought of something about the ending choices.
If you go to one then walk back it's says "the crucible has been destroyed"which most of you already know.
But why does this happen?
Since he controls the reapers,he could order them to stay away from the crucible since his solution "won't work anymore"but instead he never tells them t stay away.
It's almost like he's forcing shep to pick a choice betwwen the three.

I have an opinion that this might be the pre-EC Refuse ending. Seriously. Shepard can't make up his mind and the Catalyst is a really impatient fellow.

Maybe shep is trolling him?