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[Davik Kang]

ealeander wrote...
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Good stuff dude.  Pleasure to have you on the forums.

[Andromidius]

Never even thought about the tunnel being a 'rabbit hole'. Makes perfect sense.

[TheWill]

@ealeander

fantastic stuff... we all have our little variations on the indoctrination idea... but we all agree on the major points of it... lots of people just assume if you believe in an indoctrination attempt on shepard at the end you simply believe everything is a dream or something...... silly sausages

[Jusseb]

Great explanation, i approve.

[Dwailing]

Huh, that was interesting. So, besides the intriguing speculations on this page, anything new?

[demersel]

Great read Ealeander. And welcome here. There are still more mysteries in ME3 that you may find interesting to solve, which you might not have noticed on your first playthrough - and it is not only the ending was a dream thing.

[demersel]

Dwailing - i still say that Glyph is the real shadow broker, and he is the traitor. Also - the salarians are reapers R/D department, though they are being contested by Cerberus on this for some reason. Dalatress and Illusive Man are in some sort of allience - Udina, might have been set up.

Edit - Oh, and the leviathans were behind the rachni wars and krogan rebellions.

Modifié par demersel, 14 octobre 2012 - 04:34 .

[Peace Blade]

ajk_Jack wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Peace Blade wrote...

Alright guys, two things:

I've noticed in mkII there was a mention of a ''bug'' at startup, sometimes when your comp is slow you see a video of a dark planet with fires. Someone said it was Palaven, but i screenshotted it and zoomed, and guess what.... its Earth!

you can check it out yourself
http://imageshack.us...mageresized.png

One of possible explanations to this is that Shepard is still on Earth, and war is not yet over.

Another thing, not sure if anyone noticed.... on a terminal in spectre office it says how galactic economy can only sustain war for a year before collapsing... funny how thats how long bioware plans to release dlc's for the game.....

When does that screen show up?

Also, bolded: so even if we win, we lose?

I have the PS3 version of the game, and that picture always shows up when I start up the game for about 10 seconds or so.

And yes, that bolded statement could very likely coincide with BioWare's DLC plans...extend the war to a year's worth of time, put the war effort to its final gasping breaths, and you have an interesting scenario for a possible 'after breath scene' DLC. Or not. Who knows?

Agreed. Makes it more dramatic and i think its the way multiplay is going with operations. And no, it says economy can't sustain war more then that, so thats when the war has to be decided.

Also, question for you , or any PS3 player, when did the burning earth start to show? first time you played? or after you reached the ending?

[masster blaster]

Wow just wow. Very good read. You are welcome here anytime you want.

[V-rcingetorix]

@ealeander

Eloquently and succinctly put. Rabbit hole continuing a guilt complex? Hmmm, intriguing. Maybe I need to get the Leviathan DLC, it seems to make the ending settle better; the comparison to the Ashly/Kaiden sacrifice and the EDI/Geth sacrifice actually make sense. More sense, anyway.

Still think there should be a "Witch hunt" style DLC, but this actually helps...

[Skillz1986]

@peace blade

It was there from the get go

[Restrider]

First of all, nice to have you on board. The number of posters in the
BSN that are able to interpret the game in a reasonable fashion and stay
reasonable and polite during the discussion is not very high. And you
appear to be among this minority.
Before going to what I want to discuss, I encourage you to watch the videos in the OP and this list as a short overview of what IT is.

ealeander wrote...

3) As I interpreted it, there were actually two forms of indoctrination that Shepard is presented with. The first is "willing indoctrination" of the sort represented by Saren and the so-called "synthesis" option in which Shepard submits to willing integration with synthetic life. The second is "delusional indoctrination" of the sort represented by the Illusive Man and the so-called "control" option in which Shepard believes she is controlling the Reapers (but, in fact, I believe would merely be turned into the "essence" of a new Shepard-reaper under the Catalyst's control). Interestingly, the "I Refuse These Choices" represents the "bad" good ending, as Shepard resists indoctrination but succumbs to a final failure of nerve and leadership as she proves unable to make that final, difficult decision. Either way, it serves the Reapers' purposes.

I've played the first playthrough with the EC and as I stated earlier, all three choices presented by the Guardian appeared to be suspicious. Of course Control and Synthesis are the obvious ones, but I think Destroy could easily belong to these choices aswell, if you do not consider what happens after your decision but only what you know and what the Guardian presents you.

Control:
The Control option appeals to your lust of power and - obviously - control. You are able to determine the fate of the galaxy. This, of course, has already happened throughout the trilogy by saving/sacrificing the Council, killing/sparing the Rachni Queen and killing/appeasing Wrex in ME 1, the decision of the Collector Base and the status of your squadmates during the Suicide Mission in ME 2. Through ME 3 you cure/don't cure the genophage, giving the krogan a future or dooming them. You can side with the quarians or geth or you can establish peace. But all those events were difficult to achieve and nigh impossible. Now you are offered an easy way to do what you have done throughout the trilogy with less effort in the future - decide the fate of the galaxy and its future.
Furthermore Control appeals to your protective instinct and the notion to save everyone and be able to use the Reapers to reconstruct the galaxy. And the fact that you will experience an event of transcendence supports this solution even more.

Synthesis:
The Synthesis option appeals to your notion to establish peace and harmony. You achieve galactic peace and it seems that a golden age has just begun. Synthesis also appeals to those who are strongly affiliated to transhumanism (such as I am, but I did not choose Synthesis, but I'll elaborate it later).
Another point would be the sacrificial act you have to undergo (though this is also present in Destroy, not so much in Control) that could appeal to those seeing Shepard as some kind of space Jesus.

Destroy:
The Destroy option appeals to your urge to take revenge and avenge all those that have been victims to the Reapers. The sacrificial aspect also plays a role, as mentioned before. You could argue that Destroy is the choice for the least open-minded players, but on the other hand it is the safest bet and has bin your goal since ME 1 and you have the support of everyone you care.

Now, why am I listing this stuff up?
I think we can all agree that Control and Synthesis try to appeal to a certain part in our conscious to impose the Reaper's will onto us.
But to this day, I have seen only very few people who question Destroy in this regard. If we ignore the outcome and only take into consideration what we see/know before making the choice, Destroy could easily be the option to be indoctrinated through our hatred and urge for revenge and payback. Through this strong repulsion towards the Reapers, they can easily gain a foothold and in the end devour us. It would be like in Control. The player thinks he is in control, but he is being controlled. The player thinks he is going to destroy the Reapers, but in the end he kills himself or turns into one of their underlings.
If you let me make the comparison, these emotions are especially mentioned in the Star Wars franchise to lead to the dark side.

That is the reason why I think that Refuse is thematically more fitting than even Destroy. Because by acknowledging the Guardian and his logic - Reaper logic - you are in danger of siding with them, regardless of your choice. This is even supported by the fact that the Guardian only loses his temper in Refuse.

I know that many of you will say that Shepard just gives up or that the breath scene clearly shows that Destroy is the best solution. I know that - now.
But Refuse - at least without meta-gaming - could be the choice that makes the most sense considering IT.
And I will add again: I am saying this from the perspective of someone who is at the decision chamber not knowing what is going to happen, but knowing that something is wrong and remembering TIM/Saren.

Last Disclaimer: I'm not saying the above is the perfect right absolute truth, but the great thing about roleplaying games is how they let us inhabit the protagonist and shape our own narrative as we play. The above is my true Mass Effect 3, an exploration of a great leader tormented by her inability to save everyone and ultimately faced with the temptation of a false escape from that horrible responsibility, and I loved it... your story is your own and I'm not trying to say it's the "wrong" way to experience the game.

This also applies to what I have said above, but I wanted to add something else.
I think someone should point Xil to the bolded parts of the quote.

[masster blaster]

Demer I think the Leviathans were. Yet the Reapers in ME3 found out about the Rachni, and this time they implanted Reaper tech in them.

[Skillz1986]

@ealeander
Just...thank you. Seriously!

[Jusseb]

Yeah, those reads give me hope.

[demersel]

masster blaster wrote...

Demer I think the Leviathans were. Yet the Reapers in ME3 found out about the Rachni, and this time they implanted Reaper tech in them.

What is interesting about rachni wars and krogan rebellions - while they first seem like an attack on cotedel space (reaper domain) - and it is safe to assume that the goal would be to twart the plans of the reapers - those attack may have infact benefitted the reapers, in a way that they kept the galaxy devided and layed waste and destruction to it. On the other hand those wars could have preperade this particular cycle to be open to the idea of unity against a common superior foe...  There is deffinatly a game played here - but it is hard to grasp what it is exactly. 

[ajk_Jack]

Peace Blade wrote...

Agreed. Makes it more dramatic and i think its the way multiplay is going with operations. And no, it says economy can't sustain war more then that, so thats when the war has to be decided.

Also, question for you , or any PS3 player, when did the burning earth start to show? first time you played? or after you reached the ending?

 It has been there since I first played the game. It just serves as a loading screen immediately after the BioWare/EA title screen and before the main menu.

Also, great read @ealeander. Great to have you. Your ideas are welcome. :happy:

Edit: Skillz beat me to  the answer.

Modifié par ajk_Jack, 14 octobre 2012 - 05:02 .

[spotlessvoid]

Great read. Disagree completely. Be back later with an explanation. Thanks for posting!

[demersel]

ajk_Jack wrote...

By burning earth you mean the earth picture? It has been there since I first played the game. It just serves as a loading screen immediately after the BioWare/EA title screen and before the main menu.

Also, great read @ealeander. Great to have you. Your ideas are welcome. :happy:

I have never ever seen that. I'm om PC

[ajk_Jack]

demersel wrote...

ajk_Jack wrote...

By burning earth you mean the earth picture? It has been there since I first played the game. It just serves as a loading screen immediately after the BioWare/EA title screen and before the main menu.

Also, great read @ealeander. Great to have you. Your ideas are welcome. :happy:

I have never ever seen that. I'm om PC

Supposedly PS3 (and maybe 360, needs confirmation) see this picture. Perhaps the hardware needs more loading time, so they just put the picture in there to give us something pretty to look at.

Edit: From what I saw earlier in the thread, PC players may see this picture, but it just goes by really quickly.

Modifié par ajk_Jack, 14 octobre 2012 - 05:09 .

[CmdrShep80]

Did any one get a chance to review the game introduction scene when Shepard is looking at the kid till when Vega walked in? Not sure if I missed a reply to this but I was wondering what the background sounds were in the scene. It sounded like voices to me

[ajk_Jack]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Did any one get a chance to review the game introduction scene when Shepard is looking at the kid till when Vega walked in? Not sure if I missed a reply to this but I was wondering what the background sounds were in the scene. It sounded like voices to me

Here it is:
ME3 Opening
You hear something, but it could just be background noise in the building.

Modifié par ajk_Jack, 14 octobre 2012 - 05:35 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Hello people. Catching up now.

[CmdrShep80]

 Here's the link again:  introduction. The section I'm referring to starts at 3:15 to 4:00 minutes. Let me know what the sounds are just background sounds or actual voices. I don't think they can be background sounds from an Alliance apartment