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[TheConstantOne]

ealeander wrote...

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Great read.  I don't think I've heard of the vent-rabbit hole analogy before.  That's a great catch and a very fitting comparison

[D.Sharrah]

So...Retaliation...been out awhile now - what does everyone think of the Collector's in ME 3 vs ME 2? I love some of the redesigns...and I think that its interesting that there seems to be a new level of "connection" b/w them and the "Reapers'"...

[BatmanTurian]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

" Hey Shepard, I know you want to Destroy us, and I'ma let you finish, but Synthesis and Control are the best options to create peace between organics and synthetics of all time. Of. All. Time."

Nice.

I know it's an old joke, but I thought it was funny and appropriate.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Yeah they sound like normal radio chatter to me. But it is odd how Shepard gets blasted backwards by a reaper beam  and lands on the only object in the dreams: A bench, and hears voices from the dreams. So similar to the ending...

Of course! Its so clear now!

Since we're talking politics, you've probably seen this.

This is still my favorite debate video.

Funny but ends short. schmoyoho's better.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

That one is funny. But we should probably move on. So, I just had a thought! What if the end is about Shepard getting indoctrinated?

I should start a thread about that!

Go go go!

[ajk_Jack]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

MassEffectFShep wrote...

broad question: do ITers have any specific expectations/predictions for the Omega DLC, or is it just sort of a wait-and-see situation?

I for one am expecting to see the collectors but this time when they're possesed,I wonder if harbinger says alot of quotes.
If that does happen it proves just how interested he is in shepard since in mp he does not speak.

As far as I know, Bioware said they were considering putting his lines into MP but weren't sure how well they would be received. I also heard they said if enough people want them in they could add them! Which also means they already have them recorded.

That would be awesome. I hope it's true. To hear ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL in MP...that would be awesome.

[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Holy shisno! Bill, that's incredible! Why didn't any of us see it until now?

See what exactly?

Uh, "Power grab?" I mean, it's so OBVIOUS that I can't believe none of us spotted it sooner.

I saw it.  There are a lot of things like that to see.

[BatmanTurian]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

MassEffectFShep wrote...

broad question: do ITers have any specific expectations/predictions for the Omega DLC, or is it just sort of a wait-and-see situation?

I for one am expecting to see the collectors but this time when they're possesed,I wonder if harbinger says alot of quotes.
If that does happen it proves just how interested he is in shepard since in mp he does not speak.

As far as I know, Bioware said they were considering putting his lines into MP but weren't sure how well they would be received. I also heard they said if enough people want them in they could add them! Which also means they already have them recorded.

I wish they would add them. it just doesn't feel the same. On the other hand, adding them to MP for him to speak to individuals, who are pretty much nobodies compared to Shepard, waters down Harby's obsession with Shepard and undermines IT.

[BansheeOwnage]

BatmanTurian wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

MassEffectFShep wrote...

broad question: do ITers have any specific expectations/predictions for the Omega DLC, or is it just sort of a wait-and-see situation?

I for one am expecting to see the collectors but this time when they're possesed,I wonder if harbinger says alot of quotes.
If that does happen it proves just how interested he is in shepard since in mp he does not speak.

As far as I know, Bioware said they were considering putting his lines into MP but weren't sure how well they would be received. I also heard they said if enough people want them in they could add them! Which also means they already have them recorded.

I wish they would add them. it just doesn't feel the same. On the other hand, adding them to MP for him to speak to individuals, who are pretty much nobodies compared to Shepard, waters down Harby's obsession with Shepard and undermines IT.

I don't think so. He still wants Shepard's body and mind. He could honestly just say "Assuming control" without taunts. Or maybe the usual "My attacks will tear you apart!" How would that undermine IT?

[BansheeOwnage]

401 Kill wrote...
Tali can never be indoctrinated! In all honesty, its unlikely they would pick one of the "original"/"well-known" squadmates to be indoctrinated. Most likely if anyone was indoctrinated,it would be Vega because he is new.

Agreed. That would also be a good reason for Femshep not to be able to romance him (not that I would).

[ajk_Jack]

byne wrote...

I should start a thread about that!

... And the cycle continues.

[spotlessvoid]

For starters

ealeander wrote...

1) The Catalyst appeared as the child at the beginning who, to me, represented the fact that Shepard can't save everyone. When the child is encountered in the vent after the Reaper attack, it represents the threat of Shepard being lured down a semi-literal "rabbit hole" in a futile attempt to save the child rather than making the hard decision to leave someone behind so she could escape Earth and save the galaxy. The subsequent dreams represented Shepard contending with this guilt, and the final appearance of the child as the manifestation of the Catalyst was an attempt, by the Reapers, to play on Shepard's guilt and attempt to convince her that she could save everyone by not destroying the Reapers. After reading this thread, I can see how some would see the early encounters with the child and the dreams as earlier indoctrination attempts, and while that seems possible, I can go either way. To me, what the child symbolizes works for the story regardless of whether or not the earlier encounter was a Reaper indoctrination attempt.

The oily shadows and whispers- the codex states these are symptoms of indoctrination. That shouldn't be minimized into it's just guilt. Bioware knows their own codex and it seems the dreams very deliberately included those things.

The child does the opposite of what a child would do when Shepard tries to help him. He says you can't save me, then just vanishes. A Reaper growl is clearly audible when Anderson distracts Shepard too.

The distance the child travels from his rooftop park to the building that he's exploded by the Reaper laser blast all seem to point to him not even being real at all.

[TheConstantOne]

Restrider wrote...

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Now, why am I listing this stuff up?
I think we can all agree that Control and Synthesis try to appeal to a certain part in our conscious to impose the Reaper's will onto us.
But to this day, I have seen only very few people who question Destroy in this regard. If we ignore the outcome and only take into consideration what we see/know before making the choice, Destroy could easily be the option to be indoctrinated through our hatred and urge for revenge and payback. Through this strong repulsion towards the Reapers, they can easily gain a foothold and in the end devour us. It would be like in Control. The player thinks he is in control, but he is being controlled. The player thinks he is going to destroy the Reapers, but in the end he kills himself or turns into one of their underlings.
If you let me make the comparison, these emotions are especially mentioned in the Star Wars franchise to lead to the dark side.

...snip...

You know, you bring up a great thought that I hadn't considered before: If an indoctrination dlc is made, it would be extremely fascinating if Shepard becomes indoctrinated in some form ***no matter what*** choice you make.

I doubt this is the case since a breath scene only appears in destroy, implying that Shepard survived some ordeal (in this case indoctrination) but it would make for some interesting content

[ajk_Jack]

D.Sharrah wrote...

So...Retaliation...been out awhile now - what does everyone think of the Collector's in ME 3 vs ME 2? I love some of the redesigns...and I think that its interesting that there seems to be a new level of "connection" b/w them and the "Reapers'"...

I think the ME3 Collectors are creepier, and more intelligent as an enemy faction. I don't know what you mean by a connection? Scions DO look like large Cannibals, the Abominations are freaky, more annoying Husks and Harby possesses them. 

[BansheeOwnage]

ajk_Jack wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

So...Retaliation...been out awhile now - what does everyone think of the Collector's in ME 3 vs ME 2? I love some of the redesigns...and I think that its interesting that there seems to be a new level of "connection" b/w them and the "Reapers'"...

I think the ME3 Collectors are creepier, and more intelligent as an enemy faction. I don't know what you mean by a connection? Scions DO look like large Cannibals, the Abominations are freaky, more annoying Husks and Harby possesses them. 

Collectors have always been the creepiest enemy. But they are even more creepy in ME3. I really don't get grossed-out by much, but it was... disconcerting to blow the head off a Captain and see swarms coming out of his neck...

[ajk_Jack]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

ajk_Jack wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

So...Retaliation...been out awhile now - what does everyone think of the Collector's in ME 3 vs ME 2? I love some of the redesigns...and I think that its interesting that there seems to be a new level of "connection" b/w them and the "Reapers'"...

I think the ME3 Collectors are creepier, and more intelligent as an enemy faction. I don't know what you mean by a connection? Scions DO look like large Cannibals, the Abominations are freaky, more annoying Husks and Harby possesses them. 

Collectors have always been the creepiest enemy. But they are even more creepy in ME3. I really don't get grossed-out by much, but it was... disconcerting to blow the head off a Captain and see swarms coming out of his neck...

The constant, quiet buzzing sound you hear is what sets me off. Fighting them is so...silent. Then a Praetorian comes along. *shivers*

[demersel]

Guys! We missed something!

[demersel]

And this something could be very big. Backgrounds and psycological profiles. They are VERY important. And relevent throughout of all three games.

Modifié par demersel, 14 octobre 2012 - 06:31 .

[BatmanTurian]

demersel wrote...

And this something could be very big. Backgrounds. They are VERY important. And relevent throughout of all three games.

http://t2.gstatic.co...Uzrnw0L809pxLhA

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

demersel wrote...

Guys! We missed something!

What?

[Davik Kang]

Doublepostwhoops

Modifié par Davik Kang, 14 octobre 2012 - 06:41 .

[Davik Kang]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
I wish they would add them. it just doesn't feel the same. On the other hand, adding them to MP for him to speak to individuals, who are pretty much nobodies compared to Shepard, waters down Harby's obsession with Shepard and undermines IT.

I don't think so. He still wants Shepard's body and mind. He could honestly just say "Assuming control" without taunts. Or maybe the usual "My attacks will tear you apart!" How would that undermine IT?

Agree with Banshee, it doesn't undermine IT at all.  Indoctrination is a weapon used by the Reapers and can take many forms.  I think scenes in ME2 about groups subjected to indoctrination, hearing noises and degenerating into progressive madness, back this up too.  It doesn't have to be always Indoctrinating a Key Figure to Aid in the Reaper Cause.  Sometimes it can be bending nearby enemies to your will.  

In ME2 I think the Harbinger quotes are an example of one kind of indoctrination that eventually worked on Saren - Indoctrination by Fear.  You hear claims by Harbinger such as 

"you cannot resist" 
"nothing stands against us"
"these attacks are pointless"
"evolution cannot be stopped"

and so on, indicating that the fight will end in defeat for Shepard and the galaxy.  These threats seem kind of empty to Shepard because she's fought a Reaper already and is determined to stop them (by the time you hear this stuff in ME2), but Saren would have been totally unprepared for the occurence, most likely never having even considered the existence of the Reapers, who are a terrifying race of giant machines who have demonstrated their ability to wipe out advanced galactic life before.

This also might be inherent to Saren's more cowardly personality when compared to Shepard, but we can only speculate on this.  But attempting similar drills on the various forces fighting back in ME3 would concievably have a greater affect and, even if it won't, it may be that it simply helps to reduce the willpower of those fighting back, and may not even require much effort on the part of the Reaper.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 14 octobre 2012 - 06:34 .

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

And this something could be very big. Backgrounds and psycological profiles. They are VERY important. And relevent throughout of all three games.

And?

[TSA_383]

So, have I missed any great revelations in the past 48 hours?

[demersel]

Well all of those backgrounds and profiles tie in to the most important plot points of all mass effect games one way or another. I mean the big ones! Like the earthbourn character having to cope with the loss of earth in ME3. Or are ruthless character having to relive his low point in both Bring Down the Skies and Arrival, and more. Or colonist having to face the collectors in ME2 abducting whole colonies, and the initial attack on eden prime! Or the sole sirvivor having to deal with cerberus in ME2 knoiwing that they made Akuze happen. My point is - while we can choose only one set for our shepard - all those points and plots are still in the game all the time and they are still crucial to overall story - it's like we get to approach the main story from different sides - but it is still the same main story!

- more coming - typing.

Modifié par demersel, 14 octobre 2012 - 06:38 .