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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Enof. Look just stop it the both of you.Like it or not we have to wait until Leviathan comes out, and util then we go rogue.


We are the Cerberus of this forum. We theorize what no one else dare theorize, explore the possibilities no one else have even thought of and when the time comes we will rise up as the one true power of this forum:lol:

But anyway what was concluded on the caveman (cavealien?) painting of a Reaper? Think it could be a depiction of Leviathan and not one of the Reaper fleets? After all it would make sense for him to act between the cycles if he wants to avoid his brethren and he probably needs some kind of manpower for whatever it has planned, even if it is simply staying hidden.

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Leviathan

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Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

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Estebanus and I are just on the same wavelength :P

How does that relate to IT?:devil:


How does your question about how that relates to IT relate to IT? Posted Image 

How does YOUR FACE relate to IT?

BUUUUUURRRRNED! :devil:

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estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

If IT is wrong I will kill myself with cuddles whilst I cry myself to sleep

How does that relate to IT?

This is great.

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I'm a little scared. The more I think about Synthesis, the more I think it sounds like a good idea! I'm beginning to worry that I'm indoctrinated. BioWare better do something soon, or else I might have to do something drastic!


Like jump into a beam of energy and have everything you are sent out to the galaxy in order to stop murderous robots from killing everyone (but not really everyone, just everyone)?


Well, how do most people we've seen so far escape indoctrination?  (Yes, I mean suicide, and no, I don't mean that I'm actually going to commit suicide.  But I might end up choosing Rejection a few times in a row. Posted Image)


Well I thought shooting a red tube of cables did the trick. ;)


Well, it does, but I'm just starting to doubt EVERYTHING!  I'm very freaked out right now!

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The Reapers have always been very careful in the past.  Very patient.  They make sure they win before they've even started.

Suddenly dumbing this strategy in favour of brute force and shock tactics is bizzare.  Its character assassination, turning them from an interesting and terrifying foe that lurks in the shadows before slaughtering all who stand in their path to...  Well, little more then a technologically advanced barbarian horde with as much tactic subtly as a battering ram.  Which is even more bizzare when they've got the key to the castle!

Actually, think back to the end of ME2.

Harbinger said to the Collector General...

You have failed. We will find another way.


Another way to do what exactly? Harvest humanity? Well if that's the case why did they even bother with the collectors? ME3 says that they basically parked on Earth and began harvesting wholesale so the collector's weren't even necessary. Unless, of course, you think a little more broadly. Harvesting a species that's fighting back is not desirable. It's just better to harvest when the species isn't resisting.

The collectors were used as a means of harvesting humanity without the reapers being at risk or even exerting any real effort. I have the suspicion that the reaper invasion and the indoctrination of Shepard is actually a xanatos gambit by the reapers: a plan to pacify the council cycle.

Think about it. They employ shock and awe to cow the cycle. They allow the cycle to construct the crucible and draw their entire military might to Earth. They attempt to indoctrinate Shepard and possibly other major cycle leaders. (Anderson, Wrex, Victus, Liara, TIM etc.) And if I recall correctly, before Shepard manages to kill destroyers, the reapers weren't actually suffering significant losses.

This cycle proved to be a handful. Their vanguard was defeated. Their collector pawns were defeated. Their backup invasion plan was terminated. Their standard strategies weren't working. Divide and conquer will likely also prove more problematic than usual. Then again, "there is strength in harnessing the strengths of your enemy." The people causing them so many problems could prove to be invaluable assets if turned. So they developed a new strategy. It's a gamble, but they figure it's worth a shot.

But of course they commited their persistent error: they underestimated Shepard and Co, and the council cycle as a whole. Suddenly destroyers and capitals are dying, their plan to sieze control of the Citadel is thwarted, and Cerberus are actually turning into a liability with their progress at Sanctuary. The reapers are actually just as desperate to win as Shepard in the end, hence why the Catalyst is rushing Shepard's indoctrination.

Then again, destroyers aren't as important as capitals. The losses on Tuchanka and Rannoch are acceptable if it means the council cycle is that much more united. If the cycle finishes its crucible and they succeed in indoctrinating Shepard and the other cycle leaders, they can end the war in their favor and being harvesting the cycle slowly, patiently, safely.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 03 août 2012 - 07:07 .


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estebanus wrote...

His crush was the catalyst that started it. The heart attack was the reaction.


Iwanako is the Catalyst?

That explains so much!

The godchild makes no sense because he is in fact a teenage Japanese girl!

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jgibson14352 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

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paxxton wrote...
As for the Reapers' tactics. If IT is true you agree that the Reapers' methods of waging war are ingenious. They use both brute force and subtle prodding.


Only their use of indoctrination is ingenious.  Their actual warfare tactics tend to be...

Well.  Mass assault, stomping around on the ground shooting at tiny targets, not chasing down fleets, only sending single Destroyers to important warzones while having Capital Ships act as ground troops on various worlds, ignoring targets of oppertunity seemingly at random...

And most importantly, not capturing the Citadel right off the bat.  Despite this being their primary strategy which has worked thousands of times before.  The fact they are suffering the worst causualties ever (we assume, considering the Protheans were considered to have put up a good fight and failed to kill any Reapers...) and have organised resistance all over the Galaxy just goes to show how bad this new plan of theirs is.  And yet they don't adjust.

You'd think billion year old machines who've had a lot of experience with this sort of thing would be more competant.

Perhaps they want to present themselves as invincible but in reality they aren't unstoppable. Or maybe they still have a surprise up their sleeve.

Also, remember that what happened during the Prothean cycle was long ago. Who said that information hadn't been lost? We only got menacing speeches from Vigil and Javik. I'm sure it wasn't so bad that they didn't kill a single Reaper.

Btw, I'm still waiting to see that darkened skies Sovereign heralded.

alright, im still lurking a few pages back but i have to post an answer to this.
if the reapers wanted the citadel, they could have taken it. like they did at the end of the game. but the thing is, after Sovereign failed to seize the citadel in ME1, it simply wasnt worth it to the reapers.
after the reapers arrive in the galaxy by way of the batarian systems, if they had wanted to seize the citadel, they would have had to fight the citadel defense fleet in an entrenched position in the widow nebula for what?
the way the nebula formed around the citadel, it created an impassable obstacle that forces any invading fleet through a narrow opening where their numbers would have worked against them, almost exactly like the battle of thermopylae and the last stand of the 300. while reapers would try to get through the opening, the entire citadel defense fleet (a real unified fleet with multiple dreadnoughts, including the most powerful in the galaxy, the Destiny Ascension) would amass and focus massive firepower on the only entrance the reapers have. while all that was going on, C-Sec would have closed the citadel arms and taken up fortified positions all over the citadel. could the reapers fight past that? of course, they did. but they only did so AFTER it became apparent that taking the citadel was worth the cost (after learning of its value to the Allied Fleets). if the reapers had taken the citadel before priority earth, what could they have done with it? locked the relays? sure, but the reaper IFF that was dispersed among the fleets would have rendered that useless.

Locking the relays, cutting off the head of government for the organic races, dealing a death-blow to organic morale. . . the list goes on. The relay locking is by far the best option though. Where did they ever say that the reaper IFF was dispersed among the fleets?

i believe EDI mentions that the IFF protocols have been sent out right before launching priority earth, but correct me if im wrong. if you sabatoge the genophage cure, its also shown that salarian stealth dreadnoughts utilize the reaper IFF in construction.
as for the head of government, the council is alot like the UN now, just much more respected. killling the council would still leave local and federal governments operating unaffected. 
as for a moral blow, yes, the citadel falling would be a crushing moral blow, but so is the occupation of all major homeworlds. it comes down to a question of worth. would the reapers sacrifice capital ships to crush morale when they can totally occupy a few homeworlds without losing any capital ships?

Modifié par jgibson14352, 03 août 2012 - 07:12 .


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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

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WHAT THE F***? So I'm not allowed to use references to back up my theories? I was talking about cinematics in trailers, so I referenced the cinematics in a trailer. Your insane!


His insane?


If you mean he's insane, then yes. I'm pretty sure.


No, I was making fun of your use of the word "your" instead of "you're" ;)

Crap! I almost never make stupid mistakes like that. I was kind of pissed though. Posted Image

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Don't get trolled, folks. Here's some skordi.



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estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Estebanus and I are just on the same wavelength :P

How does that relate to IT?:devil:


How does your question about how that relates to IT relate to IT? Posted Image 

How does YOUR FACE relate to IT?

BUUUUUURRRRNED! :devil:


Wait!  I can answer that!  It has something to do with IT because one of the main reasons I choose Destroy is because I promised my face (Garrus) that I would come back alive!

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estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

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A carring doctor would notice at least some symptoms.

Symptoms would be heart attacks.

Well, that was a culmination of several years of neglecting that aspect of his health.

No, it was because that was probably the only moment that he really got that excited. I mean, his crush asked him out, for god's sake! Wouldn't you also be excited?

Excited? Yes. To the point of almost dying on the spot? No.
It wasn't the crush who made him have the heart attack. Well, not in a medical sense at least.

His crush was the catalyst that started it. The heart attack was the reaction.

A kind of a trigger, yes. But the situation didn't cause his condition. It was there before.

No, not the condition. But it sparked the the reaction that this condition has as a symptom.

There are other symptoms that can be easily detected long before a heart attack takes place. Just by listening to heartbeats.
http://en.wikipedia....ns_and_symptoms

Modifié par paxxton, 03 août 2012 - 07:08 .


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CoolioThane wrote...

Leviathan

How does that relate to IT?

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Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Estebanus and I are just on the same wavelength :P

How does that relate to IT?:devil:


How does your question about how that relates to IT relate to IT? Posted Image 

How does YOUR FACE relate to IT?

BUUUUUURRRRNED! :devil:


Wait!  I can answer that!  It has something to do with IT because one of the main reasons I choose Destroy is because I promised my face (Garrus) that I would come back alive!

How does Garrus relate to IT?

DOUBLE BURNED!:devil:

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

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I just replayed Arrival. This time I read every data log I could find. One log says the person has dreams with whispers and that people are like ash.

Humph. Sounds really familiar to me. How about you?

Who else is having these dreams? Whatever could it mean?

I smell a rat and it's coming from devs denying IT.

The devs never confirmed or denied it.


Noted.  I still am wondering at the lack of confirmation. Its clear that everyone on that asteroid was indoctrinated. They clearly experienced Shepards symptoms. Shepard says to Hackett the dreams were gone which was not true. (end of Arrival)

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Enof. Look just stop it the both of you.Like it or not we have to wait until Leviathan comes out, and util then we go rogue.


We are the Cerberus of this forum. We theorize what no one else dare theorize, explore the possibilities no one else have even thought of and when the time comes we will rise up as the one true power of this forum:lol:

But anyway what was concluded on the caveman (cavealien?) painting of a Reaper? Think it could be a depiction of Leviathan and not one of the Reaper fleets? After all it would make sense for him to act between the cycles if he wants to avoid his brethren and he probably needs some kind of manpower for whatever it has planned, even if it is simply staying hidden.


I think the Leviathan is the one, that kept Illos a secret, and has been trying to warn us about the Reapers returning. And Maybe the Leviathan is the Reaper we see in the visons we see in ME1.

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http://en.wikipedia....ns_and_symptoms

Of course, but then again, we don't know when Hisao visited the doctor las. It could have been before he got the disease.

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paxxton wrote...

There are other symptoms that can be easily detected long before a heart attack takes place. Just by listening to heartbeats.
http://en.wikipedia....ns_and_symptoms


Hisao is confirmed by the KS devs to have Long QT Syndrome, which wikipedia claims is difficult to detect.

Modifié par byne, 03 août 2012 - 07:11 .


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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

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You've got to be kidding me. That isn't even related to the quote that started this! And seriously that looks like I'm trying to look smart by defending MB? I don't even...

Maybe you should go on another thread if you wish to discuss about the similarities between Halo and ME3?

WHAT THE F***? So I'm not allowed to use references to back up my theories? I was talking about cinematics in trailers, so I referenced the cinematics in a trailer. Your insane!


His insane?
If you mean he's insane, then yes. I'm pretty sure.


You're too easy prey. Maybe you should just keep quiet, then you'd look a lot smarter.

Byne is the one who's insane here, and drove all of you nuts on all kinds of false tracks.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 03 août 2012 - 07:15 .


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estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...


http://en.wikipedia....ns_and_symptoms

Of course, but then again, we don't know when Hisao visited the doctor las. It could have been before he got the disease.

Hence we're back to my initial assumption that his health was neglected in this aspect.

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byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

His crush was the catalyst that started it. The heart attack was the reaction.


Iwanako is the Catalyst?

That explains so much!

The godchild makes no sense because he is in fact a teenage Japanese girl!



Hey! One of my oldest friends is a japanese girl, and she makes perfect sense!

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Iconoclaste wrote...

Byne is the one who's insane here, and drove all of you nuts on all kinds of false tracks.


I love you too, Iconoclaste.

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paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...


http://en.wikipedia....ns_and_symptoms

Of course, but then again, we don't know when Hisao visited the doctor las. It could have been before he got the disease.

Hence we're back to my initial assumption that his health was neglected in this aspect.

THE CYCLE CONTINUES.

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Lol, this is funny.

Modifié par estebanus, 03 août 2012 - 07:13 .


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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

There are other symptoms that can be easily detected long before a heart attack takes place. Just by listening to heartbeats.
http://en.wikipedia....ns_and_symptoms


Hisao is confirmed by the KS devs to have Long QT Syndrome, which wikipedia claims is difficult to detect.

I guess I haven't reached that point of the story yet. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 03 août 2012 - 07:18 .